Butterflies

[Pixie Dust]

In general, I agree with apple and the bunch.  How would you apply that logic to a serial killer?  Sometimes one should toss out an entire bucket of apples if that one apple infected the entire bucket.  Just to be super safe and cautious--why not chuck a bucket.  It's not like the entire harvest is tossed, just a bucket.  Like when I find a moldy strawberry in my container I will toss anything tossing the moldy strawberry to ensure a safe radius.  That makes sense, right?  Keep in mind, I have a weak stomach due to having food poisoning in my younger years.  I'm particularly sensitive to sketchy food.  I'd rather toss a few healthy berries than risk missing one and wind up doubled over in pain for hours, I guess.  

I apply the same concept to people in my life too.  Yeah, I might miss out on a few amazing people but those assholes will find their way back.  That makes sense too right?  Or am doing this human thing wrong? 

Your residual income with the bonsais is smart.  Maybe I'll look into being an arborist.  I'll start with one.  I mean, I have one demon plant (Max) so to balance that relationship with nature, I should have an angelic plant (enter: Mr. Bonsai).  What's the coolest bonsai to start with?  Coolest meaning low-maintenance with super awesome personality.

[Pixie Dust]

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Note to Mods/Admins/PeopleInPower:

Could someone (with the ability) make this area temporarily editable for future postings?  I just replied to an earlier post by accident, thinking it was the most recent posting).  It would be nice to have the ability to edit here too--to make communication more efficient when people make mistakes....instead of requiring a perfect post on the first try--I mean, I didn't even figure out how to live the perfect life in the first ten tries, why would posting be any different.
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Serloco, oddly enough the post I was supposed to respond to is where you mentioned perfection.  It's nice you first sought to perfect yourself rather than find a perfect mate.  What a difference in approach.  You weren't expecting a mate to complete you, you were trying to be complete and share that.  Maturity comes from mastery of self, not the mastery of others (though that's fun too, who doesn't enjoy a good round of Sims).  I wonder if that's the secret to life--being so damn content with the self that external fuckery is incapable of rocking one's core.

[Pixie Dust]

Watergaze, what is health?  How does one measure what is healthy?  Some measure health by merely physiological means: blood pressure, lack of illness.  Others measure health by overall well-being and that can include mental health.  Mental health encompasses the area of self-care; our ability to care for the self when we are being overwhelmed and stressed.  One symptom of being overwhelmed can be a manifestation of physiological pain--physical distress due to psychological stress.  

Comparing our health to others is not the most ideal.  This is because everyone has their own set of life experiences that influence and make everyone different from one another.  Maybe if we were each an apple tree, grown on the same acre, with the same soil, receiving the same amount of sunlight and water, could we then compare one apple to another apple.  However, humans are not so alike.  There's a quote that really hits this concept of comparison home:

"Learn to set our course by the stars, not by the lights of every passing ship." -Omar Bradley 

Then again, maybe I'm wrong.  Maybe it's useful to compare our progress to another.  Perhaps that lets us know we're all riding the same linear measurement of success and some are further along than others.  Except how would that work?  Some people are high on financial assets, but low on creativity.  Some are high on creativity, but low on financial assets.  Maybe I misunderstood you and you merely meant you are further along in well-being than many.  If that's the case, my next question would be who are you comparing yourself to?  If you're comparing yourself to prison populations then yes!  You are fantastically ahead (meaning more functional) than probably many of them.  If you're comparing yourself to Tibetan monks who have been scientifically proven to reach new levels of brainwave activity in recent years, then I assume you would see a modest comparison.

[watergaze]

I thought all of the site is allowing edit for 3 hours now. That is what I set for everybody and it should apply to all of the site. So now I'm like... I don't get it. This thing will need a lot more examining... and there are a bit more important things I still need to examine. So, right now I cannot promise any speedy changes. sry. I already tried that and it doesnt seem to have worked . 

Gotta just make a post in the admin / mod log and state what post you want instead of which and we will do our best.

havent read your next post yet, it just notified me you made one while I was writing this. But seeing what you ask:  health.. I think I clarified later in the post that I talk about balance... so at least that part was better explained for you. In general, I do not think health is anything as complicated as you make it seem .

[Pixie Dust]

Serloco, I appreciate your music.  It calms a storm residing miles within my soul.  Not many make it there to understand it--but a few have and they've all used music to hug that wicked turmoil.  Thanks for the hug (the witch in me needed it).

[Pixie Dust]

Watergaze, health is a very intricate field.  Yes, I do over-complicate many fields, though, for those in these fields they would likely say I under-complicate the subject matter.  It's all relative.  

I'm satisfied with your reply and acknowledge that what you meant was a generalization.  Don't worry about clarifying further.  I just know you're incredibly brilliant and so me asking you to occasionally deepen your postings are due to my fascination with your brain.  Sometimes I forget that people aren't the same type of nerd I am.  My bad.  

Thanks for the trying with the edit feature.  I dunno why it won't stick either (it's likely the coding that was used for all of Yuku).  Yuku also won't secure their domain and that's an entirely separate issue (but a fun one!).  Makes hacking Yuku, globally, very simple.  I'll post more on that aspect later (in the admin thread).

[serloco]

I am interested in what causes the turmoil in your soul? I too have a troubled soul. Many say I have been through more then a person should in their life. These days though i am healthy, grounded, stable, and secure. Its really quite amazing to witness if you could of seen me these last few years.

[serloco]

Yeah I tend to make numerous postings in a row.. Just so ya know... serial poster... (Dont throw out the bunch with me!) 

Yeah I think a Japanese Red Maple would make a great bonsai starter. I have a few hundred of them started but they are just babies. If you want I could send you one in the mail?

[watergaze]

I bolded for you the words that should help answer your questions to me in your last post:
I wrote:I had a similar approach serloco. I worked on myself and kept single because I think that if two messes want a relationship together it will hardly be anything healthy.  At some point I understood I have cleared enough of my bs and am more healthy than the norm by far. I am balanced and I find that if everyone took such care with themselves we would be somewhere else entirely in our relationships. 
so, in my post, I talk about health as balance, emotional balance more specifically (but not only), and link it do clearing bs (and not being a 'mess'). I have a more wide ranging definition of health that goes beyond what you wrote in your first paragraph but there is no need to go into that for the purposes of my message (I do not feel like going into that now... other than say that it is a very holistic approach. I do think I have spoken about this before though).

In terms of what you say about comparing oneself. It is just a realization I have made at the time I speak of. Nothing more nothing else. No need to overcomplicate things.

I do not think comparing oneself links to some linear success measurement (at least not for me). I got green eyes you got brown - there I compared us now where does that go in terms of linear success? . Comparing is natural. We notice things - it is natural.
Why assume that just because you notice differences that you "set your course by the lights of every passing ship?"

I already answered your question about who I was comparing myself to in my original message. The norm - and since it is my experience.... it is the norm that I meet and experience and see etc. It is the case that Tibetan monks are not part of my experience - sadly (and even if they were they would not be the norm) . Either way, I do not think Tibetan monks are the norm for most of the planet. So in that sense, it should have been clear that Tibetan monks is not who I am talking about. Similar can be said about the convicts - they are not the norm.

[serloco]

Once, in a parallel dimension everyone was like me.. I was the norm. Could you imagine!? It was chaos. No rules. We smiled...

[Pixie Dust]

You're a serial poster, I'm a serial killer -- I've now taken up serial posting since editing is broken... eh, life is a piece of art in constant motion.  You serial post to your heart's content.  I do.

What causes turmoil in my soul?  Idiots, primitive intellects, sheep.  That's not to say I'm an intellectual **** (though I can behave as one).  I have a strong dislike for people who believe others should fit into a box.  There's a lack of openness for individuality.  I try to remind myself that some people haven't yet met themselves deeply enough to respect the differences between individuals.  To understand that there is no one "best" method.  It's what's best for the individual.  Judgment is tough for me because it smothers the creative insight of others who are capable of saving the only planet we all inhabit.  What I mean is--those who can change the trajectory of the planet are being told not to--and that is fucking ridiculous to deliberately murder our only tonal home.

I know I sound very passionate and angry, and after meeting so many apes--I'm frustrated by the lack of foresight regarding humanity.  To balance that turmoil, I make the best out of my small corner of the world (my house), I surround myself with people who care more than the majority (the unconventional thinkers of humanity), and now I'm adopting nature (Max and Mr. Bonsai).  I've mastered enough of myself that I've undertaken multiple fields of science to hopefully resolve some of the primitive issues I'm so upset about.  Lol.  I worry though.  I'm under 40 years old and if I'm having these issues at this age, what the hell will I be like when I hit my mid-life crisis?

Most people worry about retirement, careers, and family.  I'm over here severely concerned about the fate of our species.  Holy ***.  

You are different though (like many at Sorcery).  You see the world and notice the interconnectedness.  You perceive the web of awareness that pulls each of us together and you put in the work to unite the fragments (of awareness, people, etc).  Out of pieces, you see a wholeness.  It's a very unusual AP to master.  I see you and I wonder how you make it look so easy. 

Let me have some time to contemplate buying a tree from you.  I would enjoy that, but we're in different countries so I'll check my local nurseries first.  It would be nice to own a plant from you as I have a fondness for sentimental gestures but given the long distance practicality doesn't have to limit sentimentality.  A Japanese Red Maple will be Mr. Bonsai though, thanks for the advice.

[Pixie Dust]

Watergaze, all I meant was that terms like norm are relative.  For some, Tibetan monks can be a norm.  Everyone has their own cultural norms too.  We have norms and norms for everyone can be pretty different.  So when you say norm, your norm is living in a country that bans GMOs.  You're surrounded by health conscious people who care about the health of the masses.  Your new nationality are even more awesome people as a collective norm.  The Swiss education system is incredible.  So your cultural are very different than my cultural norms.

My cultural norms encourage GMOs, we have nearly a quarter of our human population incarcerated, our pharmaceutical companies are causing more ailments than they treat (side effects are WOW), our citizens are more concerned over our Presidents Tweets than they are about childhood poverty and pedophiles.  Like--I'm a fucking angel with regard to my norms.  Judge me against the Swiss and I'm likely very dark and mysterious (aka devilish).  

That's all I'm saying.  It's all relative and your presentation of ideas regarding health and comparison was unclear to me.  Hence, I was asking for further discussion.  I was genuinely curious as to what you were using as a basis for "norm" and many other readers may not be aware of the origins you were referencing.  

Tibetan monks are a norm for those in the spiritual circles.  They just aren't your norm, I guess.  They're not entirely my norm either, but they are a curious thing to study which sort of places me into that circle....which means my bar is set a few shades higher.  Anyway, I now understand what you meant.

[serloco]

Yes, I too worry about the Earth. I used to go around hopping between various dimensions of it and exploring the multiverse. I would conjure new planets and lush nature wherever I went. I would also teach my leaders how to care for the Earth. 

See these days I dont believe all the hype. Its a scam to me. I can watch my tv and tell it what to say and what to show me is 'out there'. I can view 30 different versions of the Earth and decide if i want any of them to be my home. I call it all a lie, a scam designed to harness dreaming energies of creativity. See I can tell you various tales of the Earth and have you believe in them and then when you travel to go there you will find yourself living within my dream. My AP. I learned long ago that the world is not really stable but very fragile and fluid. For me in my awareness nothing is really there yet until i[ decide or until i get there. "The party dont start till I walk in". I can say, before taking a trip to London, that London is this and this and this and that etc etc etc and it will be all the things I say it is.. Or... I could listen to all the things everyone else says it is and enter into their dream and be hmmm, lets be rude.. a sheep!

[watergaze]

sorry, Kao. I admit my message is not specifically warm hearted. Kinda rushed all in all. It feels to me that you go into the rational talk instead of thinking/feeling a bit into the heart of my message or even its context. It seemed to me that you complicate things unnecessarily - as far as my simple message was concerned . But that is not a crime

The norm of the world where I am is the norm of the western world. 
(wiki: The concept of the Western part of the Earth has its roots in Greco-Roman world in Europe, Judaism and the advent of Christianity in Ancient Israel.)

The people I normally meet on the street are not Tibetan monks or convicts. Plus, after all, we were talking about relationships... do you think I meet Tibetan monks and watch their courtships?

Nor is the GMO law or education relevant here in our discussion/context. In my opinion, our education in general (and by this I mean Europe and USA/Canada alike) is far from incredible because it does not go enough into EQ and emotional balance. Quite a few things that I value are not part of the Western cultural norm. It should be clear what norm I mean in general (I gave a wiki definition above to help with that) and little cultural differences are not a major factor to this norm.

The fact that I interact more in certain circles than others does not change the norm in the country or continent that we live in. The moment you step into the street you are engulfed by this norm. 
In order to have a Tibetan monk norm, one would have to be engulfed by them instead .

I doubt that Tibetan monks are a norm for spiritual people. But hey, it's cool if that is the case for you . Pretty cool actually. 
Norm means average, standard, usual, the majority. Monks are not a majority. Not even in spiritual circles. There are shamans (old school and new), sorcerers (old school and new), mages, wiccans, and who knows what else that are very far from interacting or looking up to imitate Tibetan monks. One could even count devout Christians as spiritual... put in the people who study the Kabalah and then the Indian spirituality stuff ... etc....one could go on.

I hope I answered your curiosity and/or questions a bit better here . 
These last 2-3 days my head hurts from overheating . I just came from a pretty cold climate in Scotland. I hope I adjust soon...

[watergaze]

hm, I just noticed your message here. No idea how it escaped me lol. Must be the head
Pixie wrote:Watergaze, health is a very intricate field.  Yes, I do over-complicate many fields, though, for those in these fields they would likely say I under-complicate the subject matter.  It's all relative.

I'm satisfied with your reply and acknowledge that what you meant was a generalization.  Don't worry about clarifying further.  I just know you're incredibly brilliant and so me asking you to occasionally deepen your postings are due to my fascination with your brain.  Sometimes I forget that people aren't the same type of nerd I am.  My bad.  

Thanks for the trying with the edit feature.  I dunno why it won't stick either (it's likely the coding that was used for all of Yuku).  Yuku also won't secure their domain and that's an entirely separate issue (but a fun one!).  Makes hacking Yuku, globally, very simple.  I'll post more on that aspect later (in the admin thread).
yea, it is all relative . Too bad I did not read this earlier, I'd not have written the above. Oh well. No need to flatter me heh. We can go into the health topic again in a different thread, not the butterfly thread .

I will try with the edit sometime later... if I don't figure it out. I'll ask on the yuku support page.

[Pixie Dust]

Serloco lol.  Reality is fragile and fluid.  That is the beauty of individuals, we each create reality and see it, judge it, in the ways we desire.  I see reality and I see a bunch of fucked up assholes leading our spinning globe.  I switch to a different multiverse and it's less stupid.  I switch to meditation and the globe is a peaceful sphere of art.  Everyone decides their AP--so why am I choosing to frustrate myself?    Do I crave an imperfect world so that I feel needed?  Is everyone really at peace with themselves?  Are we really not on the brink of a nuclear war due to imaginary friends (religions)?  

I don't know, really.  I mean, I dream and my dreams and meditations tell me reality is perfect.  The news tells me we're at war.  My neighbor tells me someone is stealing her mail.  My boss tells me there's not enough funding for education, but there's certainly enough money being made to go to war.  It's hilarious all the **** I hear.  One study says soy milk is good for you, another says it'll make me grow boobs (if I was a man this would be an issue).  

Conflicting information is out there.  It's up to us to decide what's real and what matters.  Yet--I'm still annoyed with sheep xD if I were God, it would feel like watching an ant-farm and dropping in a glop of honey into the corner near the exit and then watching the ants scurry in every direction except toward the glop.  

I guess I could just not care what happens to people.  I could be like those **** kids on the news who recorded a video of a man drowning instead of making the effort to save a life.  I mean, I've considered being that type of ****.  I've tried to be that type of **** and sometimes I succeed.  Generally, I want to leave things better than I've found them and that means some degree of caring is necessary; and that implies some degree of unavoidable frustration.

[serloco]

Oh I know. I feel ya. I care deeply for the world.. I dont follow the news anymore, and largely I live in an ally world. I cant handle all the negativity. They say sow milk is this and that and this will give you cancer but even our own world is not up to date with the latest sciences. The observation effect PROVES that reality is a full potential wave that takes form to the knowledge you possess of it and it potentially anything before you observe it with your selected knowledge. Control the stance of your knowledge and soy milk wil make a woman's tits larger and a man's cock longer. It's all how you look at things. Always look on the bright side of things. Focus to the goal and desired outcome. The world is not so bad. But I would say dont add to the bad of the world, but add to the good of it. "Be the change you want to see".

[Pixie Dust]

I agree and live by that ideal "be the change you want to see".  Seems I want a world full of intellectual a**holes who happen to have good intentions but are super sarcastic about any personal investment.  Lol.  Thanks for listening to me vent; I needed that.  I'm going to log off and be modestly useful for a bit.  Enjoy the remainder of your day

[serloco]

You too sweety.

[glance left]

  Being the appropriate gourd.

One of the more beautiful moments of second attention power was had with a luminous, gigantic blue butterfly.  This dark, violent being accosted me, lurching my up by the collar from the boardwalk of a market bizarre held in a warehouse and slammed me against the wall, about 30 feet in the air.  Something within rallied and stabilized and, instead of fighting back, I became absolutely impassive and gazed into its boiling face and eyes without fear and smiled with detached compassion.  At that point, it simply dissolved away, losing its impetus and gently lowering me to the walkway below. 

Afterwards, I laid down with the rest of the Romani who were camping there in my sleeping bag and, just before I slipped into sleep, a glowing blue morpho butterfly fluttered down and landed on my left eye and melted into my head.  It was an exquisite moment...I will never forget it.  Deep appreciation for butterflies ever since, of course   Deep appreciation for access to that central state of awareness that flies above the fray.  I pray that I remember and progressively adhere to that state, no matter how often I stray or forget

[Pixie Dust]

What amazing experiences, Glance.  What a rush that must have felt like to be graciously assaulted by a spectacular being.  I dream of those moments as most of my assaults are not from enchanting butterflies  I mean just imagine being thrown, completely powerless and instead of being hurt you are being gently replaced to the same position you began with.  It's not solely an act of aggression, more so it's instrumental aggression to gain your attention.  Instead, it's done to show and then you were returned to your prior state to make an informed decision based on what was revealed.  You never mentioned what you gleaned besides a profound stabilization--and I'm curious if you were able to isolate how such a stabilization occurred in you.  

I would say butterflies are my spirit animal too, but that's not entirely accurate since I consider unicorns, aliens, owls, Satan, and humans to also be my spirit animals.  It's probably more accurate to say I appreciate most forms of nature.  Though butterflies hold a very special place in my heart too.

[glance left]

I think the isolation was simply of the intent to be stabilized deep within.  That brought a clear vantage point of perspective to appreciate the full spectrum of violence/confused darkness/ugliness and then, it's polar opposite, beauty/luminosity. 

I hadn't considered that both the violent shadow and the luminous blue butterfly might be the same being so, thanks for that   I think it's important to see things in this light, ultimately.  It certainly jibes with the central point of stabilization and how it resolves opposing tensions

[serloco]

Wow, thats quite the experience. 

I wish more people could experience being assaulted by insects. Like if an insect army got together and attacked the human population for payback! Teach people a lesson.

[funnyguy]

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