I am bowing out

[serloco]

See ya folks.. I m bowing out from the world of sorcery. I recently came to see that all my control and judgements have been wrong. It is wrong to control life and try to gain your dreams over everyone else. YOu see you reap what you sow, and when you empower evil things those things come back to hsunt you, Power is nothing without heart. I have followed power and cnotrol for so long i have forgotten what it is like to live freely. I spend all day cntrolling life and forming it to my desire. My teller has gotten out f hand and fallen into the wrong hands. I taught people i shouldnt have taught. Now I fight all day for what is right. From now on i will spend every moment erasing the power I have given, and destroying the knowldge i have upheld for what is right. I will be leaving the forum and leaving sorcery far behind me. I wiill no longer be teaching people my evil ways. It is wrong to judge life and expect it to conform to such judgements. I feel sick and ashamed for my life and i will repent until the day i die. Yes I am again intending death upon me. I wish to leave this world behind forever and find God waiting for me in the afterlife. God told me sorcery was wrong and I didnt listen and now i find it destroying good things like love. My sorcery is wrong and so I shall quit while I still have breath in my lungs. WHile I still have a chance for salvation. I wish you all well and God bless you.

[rosygyro]

sounds lke you need to give yourself some activated carbon enemas man.absorbs all the lipgloss and foundation and sometimes mascara- it builds up over time..is not that make-up is toxic.. just that by next year they will be referring to it as "war paint".

[rosygyro]

on a less personal note.. but much more relevant.around 1995 a massive pressure bubble occuredin the human corporeal.It was precipitated by the arrival of the world wide webas it created a twin worldcoupled with fight, flight or fock syndrome from porn and horror moviesthis twin world was responded to as if real by many peoples energy bodies..any in 1995.. whilst indulging in a some teenage, amphetamine fuelled sexualintercourse in a tent.. mid act of anal penetrationmy long term girlfriend said "stop"
we had been doing it for a while already.. and had done it 100s of times beforedid it many times after..but on this occasion when she said "stop".. i was caught in a frame.
for all intents and purposes its like i became one of the scenes from a rape movie..a single snapshot was edited.. and elongated, charicatured..ultimatley ending in a weird severence of penis..
its now over twenty years later..me and the ex girlfriend even had a second fling about 10 years agothat didnt go anywhere..in an attempt to free myself of the previous cursei withdrew and ejaculated in the air between us..and again "freeze frame".. only this time i am stuck staring at a globuleas if a weightless experiment on a space station.
she absolutely must be some sort of nagual woman..every blinking time i have anything to do with herit stops time and i am frozen like a medusa victim until the next event.
anyway..I wrote this poem about the 1995 amphetamine , festival, tent sex scene..trying to let go.
i know somewhere within this skin must be the key to the world we are in the minds slate is to be wiped clean -its pictures marred untill unseen- even without photographic memory -the body is evidence of its own longevity -my soon dead ,dry,cracked split bones- released of their home as flesh rots quicker in- offer no sign of greater design as decays first prey is sin- Its all in the mind they say and still the mind is king -king of me, on bended knee thumbing my penis in .-the minds slate is to be wiped clean- its pictures marred until unseen- and still semen is lost in arse. downward fluting rogered farce why stick it in another? lose yourself in forgotten lover? the world is marching apon the only day to be turned on you and the procrastination of your lower intestinations the ceaseless intonation of your ragged rectum rumination grip your own sh.it with your sphincter not my dick with your clutching sl.ut clincher the minds slate to be wiped clean its pictures marred until unseen JOG ON.

[watergaze]

serloco wrote:See ya folks.. I m bowing out from the world of sorcery. I recently came to see that all my control and judgements have been wrong. It is wrong to control life and try to gain your dreams over everyone else. YOu see you reap what you sow, and when you empower evil things those things come back to hsunt you, Power is nothing without heart. I have followed power and cnotrol for so long i have forgotten what it is like to live freely. I spend all day cntrolling life and forming it to my desire. My teller has gotten out f hand and fallen into the wrong hands. I taught people i shouldnt have taught. Now I fight all day for what is right. From now on i will spend every moment erasing the power I have given, and destroying the knowldge i have upheld for what is right. I will be leaving the forum and leaving sorcery far behind me. I wiill no longer be teaching people my evil ways. It is wrong to judge life and expect it to conform to such judgements. I feel sick and ashamed for my life and i will repent until the day i die. Yes I am again intending death upon me. I wish to leave this world behind forever and find God waiting for me in the afterlife. God told me sorcery was wrong and I didnt listen and now i find it destroying good things like love. My sorcery is wrong and so I shall quit while I still have breath in my lungs. WHile I still have a chance for salvation. I wish you all well and God bless you.
Hi serloco, from what I have seen understanding/seeing that one is imperfect, even ugly, is a big step on the path of knowledge. You need to stare it in the eye and not look away. And you need to wish with all your soul to change and do a lot of hard work. Congrats . No irony intended. You can intend a change from there and if you keep at it then magic will happen. A new beginning is a powerful step for a sorcerer.
Since you were not employing your heart enough (following power and control), as you write here, it makes sense that you made different decisions and judgements than you otherwise would have. This is not the fault of sorcery. Sorcery is not evil, it is a tool. It depends on the user how they use the tool. Power is actually a burden, a big part of it is. If that is what you followed, it makes sense to me you might need to unburden yourself. It is not a coincidence that power is one of the 4 enemies of man. Sorcery does not destroy love. Sorcery fosters joy, happiness, kindness, courtesy, forbearance, love, life, the amazing stuff of the universe and of humans. It opens your heart, helps you grow, your awareness expands and hugs all of creation. So much love your spirits soar and you are lifted up like a feather. You going into the darker parts of reality is not about sorcery. Sorcery enhances things and if you do not work enough on your balance, and emotional stability etc, it will enhance all the cracks and bents of your character/personality - this is so that they become visible to you and you can work on them, smooth them out, heal and grow. We always see the world through our own self/bubble, hence all your world will be reflected through these imperfections (whether you deploy a sorceric world view or not).
God is just a different way to say spirit. Sorcery/shamanism is very much in sync with spirit. Probably, if I were to make sense of your message, you were just told it is not the right way what you are doing. Your sorcery is not. Sorcery/shamanism in general is not flavoured by our personal intents and ways of doing things.

I wish you all the best, let us know of your progress if you find it in your heart to check in.

[glance left]

"i know somewhere within this skin
must be the key to the world we are in
the minds slate is to be wiped clean
-its pictures marred untill unseen-"

"understanding/seeing that one is imperfect, even ugly, is a big step on the path of knowledge. You need to stare it in the eye and not look away"

Here's to the vigil. The candle flickers and gutters but, hey.....it's still burning.

TY, Rosy and WG.

[serloco]

Thank you WG. Yes you are right in much of what you say and that is good for you, But tell me how sorcery is good when it empowers your active judgements? It teaches that the world is your judgement and nothing much else. It teaches you to control that judgement and thus control reality's form. What right do I have to empower this judgement over everyone else's free will? Just because I say and think that someone is wrong or evil why should that judgeent make it so? I spent years controing these ideas and thus my reality. I thought for a long time that it had to be so. I thought my judgements were reality and so i entered into that position and believed it wholeheartedly. Now I see beyond that position and i see what my judgements have done. Controlled people and robbed them of their free will. All because I believed in sorcery teachings.

[serloco]

[watergaze]

serloco wrote:tell me how sorcery is good when it empowers your active judgements? It is not sorcery, but you, who does the judging. Sorcery helps you help yourself purge the judging, you just might not have deployed it that way before. And the fact is, sorcery or no sorcery, that is how one is if one is a usual Muggle, the judging is how humans make sense of most things . Belief is a form of judgement, is it not? If I believe my boss is mean, I judge him or her to be mean, I react to them as if they were mean and all of that pushes them to actually adopt a meaner form than they otherwise would. This is not sorcery, it is natural. It would be so whether you know anything about sorcery and these laws or not.
serloco wrote:It teaches that the world is your judgement and nothing much else. No, it does not . You just need to start moving forward, the way you see reality will change. The world is not my judgement. My world is influenced by my perception (as in world does not equal my personal judgement, but it is influenced by it). So, there is a lot of hope in that. The better I am the better the world around me. But if you think you or anyone is so all-powerful that everything that happens is because they wanted/allowed it, then, again, you need to keep on growing. There are many more intents, jugdements and actors in this world. You are not alone here.
serloco wrote:It teaches you to control that judgement and thus control reality's form. It teaches you to enter a place of non-judgement. What happens to this idea that you have about controlling stuff by judgment if you are in a place of non-judgement?
serloco wrote:What right do I have to empower this judgement over everyone else's free will? None, hence why it was not OK to do so. There is no need for servants and prisoners, no need for followers, all of that stuff are just hurdles on the path of knowledge. You might apply some presure on me with some of your misperceptions, but there is a limit to it. And it also depends on my personal power as to how I react.
seerloco wrote:Just because I say and think that someone is wrong or evil why should that judgement make it so? It only makes it so in your own mind and reality. You do not change who I really am just by thinking I am who I am not. If you now think that I am a old Asian grandfather, it doesn't make me so.
serloco wrote:I spent years controing these ideas and thus my reality. I thought for a long time that it had to be so. I thought my judgements were reality and so i entered into that position and believed it wholeheartedly. Now I see beyond that position and i see what my judgements have done. Controlled people and robbed them of their free will. All because I believed in sorcery teachings. And so you have learned something and can look for a better way of doing things. I am sure you have grown out of a certain way of doing stuff even before. It is how you progress. Now you know more and whatever you decide to do now in some 10 years you will look at it and think how ignorant you were . At least let's hope you will . The most important thing is to continue growing and not to give up. I know it can be very hard...

[serloco]

I have seen something else. I see beyond active judgements t a place where what you think and feel reality is, it really isnt. Just an inactive judgement. You are right it suspends our judgement and lets it be free. I used to empower my judgements t the point they took over life and formed it instead to my ideas, my knowingness, my judgements. I formed worlds of people I could control, command, move to my chosen will. NOw I have them following me around trying to be my ideas and my judgements, my thoughts, my ideas etc. Tryign t uphold and keep the old awareness I no longer empower. Its like having phantoms follow you around. But the point here is this - you said that your judgements pusshes people t be meaner if you judge them to be mean right? Well why empower such an wrong idea? WHy contribute to that cruelty ust be judging someone in a correct fashion according to what they actually are? Why not suspend the push? Just because you judge someone doesnt have to influence them in any way. Why not suspend that energy and adopt a more positive form of knowledge?

When I first fell into the sorcery path and empwered my judgements and perceptions I met a woman online. We exchanged ideas and talked for hours to each other. One day I asked her for a picture of herself. She sent me a picture of an african woman, black and happy. Later on I shifted my idea of her and her form as we had done many times together. I asked her for another picture and she sent me one that showed herself to be white and european. I knew before hand that my judgement would shift my reality. I decided to believe in alternate dimensions where both of these ladies were real. My judgement was set. Sure enough over the years I interacted with both of these women. My judgement made both realities real.

You say you know of the world and that there is nothign so powerful to have all your wants and desires met. That the world is what yu know it to be and not what I think of it. Many people think their idea of the world is the true idea and thus must be the same for everyone else. Well I have been in positions where all my wants and desires are met mostly. IN positions where my real world becomes my oyster. Worlds of my own making and fashioning. Why is it so hard to believe in such a grand position where every want may be met? The world, is, when you get down to the nnitty gritt, intent. Indifferent at its core. So why not intend your dreams to come true?or use a form of knowledge that epowers your desires and wants and dreams? my point tho, is that even tho you know your world, yooou do not know everyone else's. I wonder why you say that the all powerful one who makes all his wants come true doesnt exist?

[watergaze]

Serloco, you seem to be moving into threads that are of other lines.

These places of reality that you mention, where you have the control and followers etc, are (according to both of us) not healthy. If they were you would not have made this thread/first post. Instead of talking about that, which you have talked about elsewhere, maybe you could ponder what I wrote. Consider a different perspective. It is all I have to offer. There is no "true idea" or whatever.
I find it is dangerous to make places where one conserves oneself and one's opinions and wants and ideas into a tin-can and marinates there in this world of one's creation. It is dangerous and borders on delusions.
I prefer places that are much more alive and it allows creativity to others. Collaboration. That is where magic happens.

Does an inactive judgment even have a significant push on reality?
serloco wrote:you said that your judgements pusshes people t be meaner if you judge them to be mean right? Well why empower such an wrong idea? WHy contribute to that cruelty ust be judging someone in a correct fashion according to what they actually are? Why not suspend the push? Just because you judge someone doesnt have to influence them in any way. Why not suspend that energy and adopt a more positive form of knowledge?
To answer your first question. I do not empower it in a different way, I try to grow and hold a space of growth for people, not pin them down. This, what you think is so negative, can be one of the most positive things out there in our world. Switch your perspective, your growth will be enhanced and your life will be the better for it. Plus, if you can keep the spot of not pushing judgments on others then why does it matter anyway? You have to pick your battles and choose what to devote your energy to. I rather live in a world where I dont judge and am more pure (for lack of a better world) and where this action influences the reality around me (which also has the great consequence that it mirrors my own flaws so I can better myself) than live in a world where I can be the stinkiest ass-hole (and become more and more sick cause there is no mirror) and where no one has any effect on anybody.
serloco wrote:When I first fell into the sorcery path and empwered my judgements and perceptions I met a woman online. We exchanged ideas and talked for hours to each other. One day I asked her for a picture of herself. She sent me a picture of an african woman, black and happy. Later on I shifted my idea of her and her form as we had done many times together. I asked her for another picture and she sent me one that showed herself to be white and european. I knew before hand that my judgement would shift my reality. I decided to believe in alternate dimensions where both of these ladies were real. My judgement was set. Sure enough over the years I interacted with both of these women. My judgement made both realities real. It is only a certain level of realness. We have different vocabulary. Yes, it is real, but also, I am not an Asian grandfather. It doesnt matter if you believe it and if it is real for you, it will not be real for me, no matter what you do.
How can you just think of yourself? If someone plays the game with you, like this woman, then sure, you can have more fun with these two realities and whatnot, but if she doesnt then it is again just you in your own tin can. We are back to collaboration.
serloco wrote:You say you know of the world and that there is nothign so powerful to have all your wants and desires met. I don't think I said that. I understand your position. I think, and this is my opinion, that you might benefit by accommodating a different one . And it is probably something you might want to consider if you keep being unhappy with the stuff you seem unhappy about now. (also the way you phrase the sentence it has a double meaning 1. that nothing as powerful as having your wants/desires met exists 2. there is nothing more powerful than having your wants/desires come true. - I took the 1st option, made more sense)
I do not think it is wise to want to have all one's wants and desires met . The sad thing is we rarely know what is best/good for us. I think the max we can do for ourselves is to align as best we can with spirit (or God for you I guess). This is how the world becomes magical. One does not need to change the world. The world is already amazing, one just needs to drop one's pretenses and judgments and stop controlling things to one's desires. Start listening to something else other than one's own ego.
serloco wrote:Many people think their idea of the world is the true idea and thus must be the same for everyone else. I don't think that. I allow you your worlds, don't I? Also, I do not go into 'true idea' territory, things are very fluid and I know too little . Plus there are people who really live in different realities. Still, most people agree on a certain consensual reality. That is what most people talk about and refer to when they speak. It differs slightly of course.
serloco wrote:Why is it so hard to believe in such a grand position where every want may be met? We have a misunderstanding, I do not know where you got this idea that I think this or that. But since you (do not) ask... I think such a position exists, of course. Also, I do not need to dispute if you had this happen in your life. I do not know you and therefore I have neither seen or not seen it. Like I said, I do not need to judge the truth of your reality.
serloco wrote:The world, is, when you get down to the nnitty gritt, intent. Indifferent at its core. So why not intend your dreams to come true?or use a form of knowledge that epowers your desires and wants and dreams? my point tho, is that even tho you know your world, yooou do not know everyone else's. I wonder why you say that the all powerful one who makes all his wants come true doesnt exist? I responded in part above to this. I was also saying that there are others in the equation not just you or me.

I was trying to tell you that exact same thing. It is about intent. You have noticed that you need to change, you have noticed deficiencies and bad things in how you did stuff before. I am wishing you find a better way to apply your intent and the magic of your being. I was also saying: do not blame sorcery for your imperfections.
It is great that you want to better align yourself with spirit/god and give more life and attention to your heart and soul... Where I live that means to me you are moving into a more magical place - and that is closer to what I understand under sorcery/shamanism. Not that 'evil sorcery' stuff you talked about (imo).

[serloco]

Yes that makes sense. Thank you for clarifying. You are right there is a world full of energy generating beings, beautiful and living and full of life. I choose nowadays to allow them to move for themselves. I do not empower control anymore. I wish my old dreams would stop trying to follow me around all the time. It is quite tiring. These days it is what I dont know, the unknown that I give power to.

Thanks for your message and your good intent. Sorry if I came across rudely. That was not my intention.

[watergaze]

serloco wrote:there is a world full of energy generating beings, beautiful and living and full of life. I choose nowadays to allow them to move for themselves. I do not empower control anymore. I wish my old dreams would stop trying to follow me around all the time. It is quite tiring. These days it is what I dont know, the unknown that I give power to. That is wonderful serloco. I do hope you find a good place to foster this new intent and shed old skin. I would say our site is such a place, however, I understand that you want to distance yourself because it might be hard to be in a place where you expressed stuff you want to shift away from. Nevertheless, I want you to know that you are welcome here. Plus I do think that many of us have been cheering on this kind of insight in our visitors . I see how you changed since you came by and I really consider what you are looking at and realising now to be most valuable. I wish you all the strength needed for the transition that you intend for yourself.

Just be somewhat patient with yourself and these old dreams and companions. Outdated habits tend to linger for a bit, but they will fade (if not reinforced). It will fade all the faster if you act differently.
serloco wrote:Thanks for your message and your good intent. Sorry if I came across rudely. That was not my intention.Thank you for seeing that. Apology accepted. Listening is a great skill (which still eludes me sometimes )

[glance left]

"Just be somewhat patient with yourself and these old dreams and companions. Outdated habits tend to linger for a bit, but they will fade (if not reinforced). It will fade all the faster if you act differently"

Yeah, this resonates (on a personal note, too ). Withdraw whatever was being projected which resulted in these manifestations in the first place and they will starve, fade and unravel. I don't know how they interact with you when they come around, but what if you just acted politely but impassively/neutrally with them when they do?

IDK, your intent associated with your new decision for a new direction will find the right way to interact which will neutralize these forces, I'm sure. The key, as WG mentioned, is sustained intent without reinforcing them.

Remembering the 4 moods of stalking: sweetness, cunning, ruthlessness, patience. They all apply inwardly...an inner stance to deal with outward manifestations which are often from previous imbalanced inward stance, I know form personal experience

[serloco]

Yes listening is a great skill. I think we have our identity that we measure reality with and this measurement, this ego, or identity often can interfere with seeing what is real. Being pure awareness is ideal and the place where I seek to be. This way no wrong idea can paint my perception and i will not be living in a hollow, empty lie. I am seeing yesterdays every where I look. Old powers and old awarenesses trying to be real again. Old, long dead judgement trying to come back to life. I dont believe them anymore but they still try. I blame sorcery because it taught me that the world was full of our judgements and I believed it. It tricked me into judging it. You dont have to judge the world while don Juan taught me you did. I hung on his every word and fell into his idea and for me it was hell. I judged the world as a cold place. For years i was lost in my ideas and judgements every where I turned. I managed to get the best out of it by controlling the judgements and forming them in positive ways. But it was always controlling everything. Now I am so sick of movers, and commands, so sick of wrong ideas manifesting. I suspend and all active thoughts and judgements and allow my world to be the life, free as they are. I dont interfere in any way and meanwhile the old dead worlds I used to believe in and make real are following me and trying to get me to judge them, and tell them what to do and what to be. Old awarenesses that are hollow echos of what they used to be. I am full of mind controlling freaks, iobs, and old allies, trying to control my thoughts, and my awareness, my knowledge, and my commands. Its so sickening. I am trying and winning but the old world doesnt want to let me go. I see that I am winning. I have sacrificed so much power to do what is right for myself and for the world. I will keep my head up ad keep focused on the right way to live and be. I will form the most beautifull knowledge of the world and follow it with my heart. That is my goal and so it shall be.

[Billy]

Kaomea spoke to me for first time awake 1/3/17.. she said, "You've got to build (your dream) vertically."  [someday I'll come here and explain that] (am I banned now ? ..  I spoke the K word)

    CP is now PC.  P is 4 Prize (adj.)
I know what I want.
I do the work.   
    It's been very difficult for you recently, heh?


   watergaze, serloco is taking y'all for a ride.  (SEE Free People vid)        watergaze, I LOVE your objective style!
 
Thanks s. You helped big time.   [nonetheless, you are an immature tonal twerp]  {I meant you can hold any position-- I wasn't being hard}


For others: Life is unfair, oppressive, at times debilitating.  Yeah?  AND?
...ground the awareness---> work.  CHOOSE.  work.  CHOOSE...........   .....  

   I made the exception to break abstinence because I intuited immense pain all around.  I have it too.  This intrusion is partly a way of handling my challenging awareness.  

   Move from conditionality to awareness now..  have a smile, a laugh.  I don't think you've had worse hell rosygyro, glance left, transitions, etc (than me).  lol/true

I miss my family here; yes, you also Julio.

   
 I TOO only engage in games I'm sure to win, or that I plan to lose.  
  "Winner takes all." 
 Extrapolate, honey... it's what you do best.

[glance left]

Vertical dream with Polaris up above. I remember a dream shooting through the earth's atmosphere into space using a monocle made by circling thumb and forefinger, navigating my flight with the north star kept in view within the circle. To keep my flight plumb, so to speak. It took all my concentration to keep Polaris in view, stationed within the monocle, as my ship began to shudder and careen, spinning and flirting with gimbal lock. Finally, something snapped and I broke through......arriving at my bedside beside my sleeping form.

Everybody goes through hell in one way or another. What's the point of comparing?

[rosygyro]

truth remains that man/nagual, warrior and hunter are three different points of the same folly.

sobriety in the form of sorcery is just alliance with the hunter.
its what allows you to judge to hunt other people through their nromal shortcomings.
making yourself the hunting nagual of the world around you of normal men in the midst of their folly.
you are hunter.

warriors path is choosing to instead subject to the nagual in the greater reality
to shift the world to a dimension where in the absence of hunters
the world itself is the nagual- nagual corridors.
it is your shortcomings and egoic trait that are your weakness
you become hunted.
eventually as a warrior who has lived in the naguals wrath
you have nothing left to be hunted.
you are warrior.

sooner or later everyone is handed their own ass..
i would not want to be a sorcerer who has only ever made weapons
on the day that happens.
Its not even that a habitual hunter being moved to the position of warrior is a powerless gift.its that a habitual hunter in his effort to escape the social calamity of the warriors pathwill try to escape and in so doing sever himself from ever finding totality.becoming stuck in the corner of sobriety.. the nagual still existsand so sobriety becomes a very small private mindultimatley futile.
REPENT

man/nagual, warrior and hunter are three corners of the same triangle.

[funnyguy]

Chained down in an empty shell
Fly away from your own hell
Cut your chains fly as a bird
Through that mistery our birth
Hold no one in your arms
Let go of your own palms
For whatever lies ahead
Do the best and never fret

[Billy]

Nice piece, funnyguy. 

glance left, I compared because I wanted to encourage others some equanimity is achieveable (I'm older)... [AND I was indulging my current DIFFICULT tonal challenge.]

serloco, I edited my first post.  I was NOT getting on you.  You've helped me handle my awareness by virtue of this thread. 

I NEED to disappear a while (again).  Happy New Year to everyone.

[funnyguy]

This whole thread has been one hell of a read I see now that with good intentions you can't really go wrong.
Thank you billy and thank you everyone for giving us the space to be ourselves and giving us opportunities and direct knowledge to become more then we already are.

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[glance left]

"warriors path is choosing to instead subject to the nagual in the greater reality
to shift the world to a dimension where in the absence of hunters
the world itself is the nagual- nagual corridors.
it is your shortcomings and egoic trait that are your weakness
you become hunted.
eventually as a warrior who has lived in the naguals wrath
you have nothing left to be hunted.
you are warrior."

"sooner or later everyone is handed their own ass.."

Death is my advisor. My ass is already in hand, in effect.

Impression is, why wait until after the shift in order to face my shortcomings/egoic traits, knowing this?
Feeling is to pare down and burn those traits right here in the tonal as they emerge from one moment to the next, as best I can, in the light of awareness.
And then, as less of me that impedes is there to commandeer my awareness/energy, the shift into the nagual will transpire smoothly and effortlessly, in its own time and of its own impetus, slowly but surely.

It seems there is something of greed within me that compels the urge to outpace myself....to seek the shift before the transformation (in order to escape, as you say).

My feeling is, if I can transform, then the shift will naturally proceed from that state, without aberration.

[rosygyro]

[Mornings Son]

Outstanding Rosy

Love the way you express cosmology and 'man being' - separate being

2. The Nagual is out of the box !!!!

[serloco]

ah $!+$ it... i will remain.. i wont be around as much but i figure i can still have a part here..

[Mornings Son]

Sir gogo oh nono

Thats serloco

It seems you are back after starting facing the enemy called Power, is it so?