Bad tonals and Good tonals

[serloco]

What you are aware of reality to be is what you know. This knowingness is what you are intending. Bad tonals come to you with harmful knowledge of reality. Their will supports many diseases and curses. They are always coplaining about everyone and everything. They usually like company and spread their bad knowledge like a plague.

Good tonals come with gems, and treats, they support life and do their best to work in harmony with the world. Which do you think you are?

[serloco]

I will get into the sorcery tonal soon.

[serloco]

Sorcery tonals are set up to control your awareness, what you know. They are established to support and empower the steady control of your judgements which controls the forms of life in your world. A sorcery tonal supports controlling your mind, your internal dialogue, to guide the flow of events in your reality. With sorcery knowledge you can stop your mind and move the world and the people in your existence. A sorcery tonal supports not-doing, which is to learn to control what you do, and what you tell your reality to do. Doing this will open the way to the unknown. A good sorcery tonal understands that what we know, which is so little, can shift into the unknown enhancing our awareness and our world. A great sorcery tonal knows that it is our intent and our will that moves everything into being. A sorcerer controls and wields his intent moving everything to his/her command.

[Finwe]

The sorceric tonal, in a way of a speaking sets up the dreamt dream i.e. enviroment, into the intended matter of dreaming be that a simple thought or any dream you can imagine, whereas the sorceric tonal looses control, in order to gain it, forcing the AP down, which is good and best as controled folly, yet nothing more and even thou the tyrants are the best preparation for the  Unknown  , sorceric tonal leads, solely to the becoming one of them, instead of loosing the human form.

Natural tonal leads directly to the nagual, speaking of which has place and is a manifestation of the creative force of the all attentions, nagual. The natural tonal is one of the nature, free of all foreign negative influences occuring in the biosphere of individual and planet alike, what makes it hard is accepting the nagual self as the part of the tonal self, that being one self and without each utter incomplete, on the apesite seeing, being and having the inner balance and reflecting the outer harmony, as it is.

[serloco]

You're scared 'cause I ain't
This feeling in my head is being there for too long
We sleep now with the light on,
But shadows make shapes in the light
And I don't know what they might be!

You called me, because I answered
So cover your toes with the jacket in your hands
And the bones with the blanket
She tells me that I will be alright
And for a seconds it feels that I believe it
'Cause I forget the way that I've felt
I'm trying, I'm just trying to be BRAVE
Uuh-uh uuh-uh, trying, I'm just trying to be BRAVE

There's somebody who heard it that splits us right down to the middle
But I'd be coming back for you

You lost me 'cause I answered
Directions mean nothing in the dark
And I don't know where you stand
The ??? are gone, or our footprints too
To get home will take something that I'm not sure that I have left
Trying, I'm trying to be BRAVE.
Uuh-uh uuh-uh, I'm just trying to be BRAVE

There's somebody who heard it that splits us right down to the middle
But I'd be coming back for you
I'd be coming back for you
I'd be coming back for you
I'd be coming back for you

[rosygyro]

the death of a sorcerer is not caused by his present will, it is caused by the rebalancing force of life evolving as it steers the sorcerer toward next life.for example if as a sorcerer you habitually refuse one of your riddles of totality- forebearance, immpeccability, honour, etc..
then the death of a sorcerer will be a guiding force to those challenges repeating so you may find totality.
sometimes the death of a sorcerer(much like the severing of a nagual being) incorporates great vision as to the details of the next time your soul touches materialisation/incarnation again.

even an infinite journey must be made of immpeccable hops.

[serloco]

Wrong, death is caused because you intend it to be. Everything is intent. If you say it is a balancing force you can not escape then you are intending that outcome. SMarten up.

[serloco]

[serloco]

[rosygyro]

the decision to be a sorcerer and the death of a sorcerer are linked.The use of will during totality happens in the place of intent meaning that when the riddle of intending deatharrives the mass of the sorcerers totality is expending itself in will.this taints the intent making it will not to die, as the majority of the sorcerers totality is will he cannot intend in totality.

[serloco]

Seeing intent is not so hard. It is no riddle for me. My eyes can see. Any intent my body makes I can see it and control it. At any time.

[rosygyro]

there is only one critique i have of the sorceers way at present.That is that should the habitual assemblage of our entire corporeal move..at the moment of breaking of inertia are the sorcerers capable of occupying normal awarness while the shift occursand also making a new leap afterwards.

[serloco]

You say 'our' like it is one position of the world. I have different versions of 'our people', and they listen and follow what i say. I can walk down the street and say they are my people and everyone will shift into the position of 'my people' that I have set with my awareness of 'my people'. I can just say out loud or in my mind 'people are like this and that' and then they will fill the role in the way I have set. I have different versions build in my inventory of what people are and do, and with just a focus of attention can move people into the roles that I assign for them. I can call people my allies and they wil act out he role. I can call them normal average old worlder's and they jump to that role. I can call them advanced helpers and with powerful feats of awareness and they fill that role. It doesnt matter what yuo say they are but you should always be careful in what you say 'our people' are. Very mysterious they are in my world. They can do so much.

[rosygyro]

Serloco..you are a nagual man naturally..

I am a horrible fusion of the north and east.

well it was horrible whilst i worked it through..

i don't know wether i wish to jump TO THE SOUTH before next year.
christmas at the earliest.

[serloco]

And what does a fusion of east and west mean to your awareness?

What entails a jump to the south?

[jotamax]

About peoples, i just arrived from mall, and i saw something cool in the place.

There was a crowd in the mall because a event, so when i was there my common knowledge of peoples was running in my mind, and then the crowd looks very aggressive and obnoxious, then i thought " come on man, jus put in practice what you know", i immediately change the way i was thinking about peoples, i start telling they are cool and nice peoples, i don't tried say something complicated, just simple good words and all of suddenly they start matching, looking friendly, like magic.

This happened to me before, but its the first time that this happened in the same moment that i was thinking, very cool.

This is something important to me so i will work more about that, i notice that my judgments are running unconsciously and i will now catch it when this happens.

[serloco]

Yes, very cool. That is the force of your perception and your teller working hand in hand.

Try telling yourself and your reality not to empower your judgments unless you really mean to.

Thanks for sharing your successes. Always great to hear.

[Mornings Son]

It has been a joy to read so far... may you please continue to unfold your knowledge. 
- how is a sorceric tonal formed, beyond intending it ;-) ?? 
- same question to Finwe on the natural tonal. How is it done? 

We know that it is about reorganizing the 'items' on the isle of tonal and that it is called controlled folly, but what is intersting for me is the actual task with doing it. How did you manage? How long did it take? 

About other people and our encounter with them, in the Toltec tradition there is that part of our shadow called 'Necoc yaolt' the mutual enemy,  To have a conflict with someone both need this part of their shadow, nagual body, to be have power (fear, anger, irritation, hate, etc). *)
What you guys describe is confirmations of ways to control the Necoc yaolt to avoid conflict and have some thing better happening.  
Good stuff )))

_____
*) from Sergio Magana

[serloco]

Good question and interesting reply.

YOu see the tonal is made up of everything you have come to know, and come to learn. You have accepted your definition of the world and so you have come to KNOW it, as you perceive it to be. Naturally a sorcerer learns about sorcery and come s to know it. The knowledge he has about sorcery, dreaming, stalking, controlled folly, stopping the world, not-doing, has become his new tonal and has been activated with his/her intent and knowingness. IN essence the sorcerer's tonal is set up with a description of the sorecery world that has become his new inventory and thus manifests into his doings.

[serloco]

Well in my definition controlled folly is controlling the items of the tonal. It is done by embracing fluidity, realizing that things and yourself can shift into something different, something new. Stalking is the art of controlling those shifts and the gem is mastering your controlled folly. It takes as long as you intend it to take, but for myself the task is never finished. I am always learning, always growing, and always mastering the arts. Controlled folly for myself, in this position of awareness has been boiled down to what I call a teller. This is a command of the eagle. These days I use my teller to control my folly and my world. If i want to shift an item of the tonal I intend it yes, but mostly I now can just tell it what to be and what to do. It has taken me about 10 years now to master my teller and for it into a valid command that moves the world, the inventory of my tonal.

[serloco]

What speeds up the process of becoming a sorcery tonal is the knowledge you possess about yourself. For example if you are confident in your intelligence ad call yourself a quick learner then that becomes your tonal, your intent. I remember when I first started learning i embraced everythinng don Juan taught in his books. He said some people learn very fast and I told myself I was one of those people. and thus I intended that outcome to myself. I remember there were many teachings i did not understand yet, did not grasp, and so I intended to see that the source, or the Spirit, has within it all knowledge from all walks of life, and it knew the lessons and the aareness of what i was intended to learn and grasp. In this way I opened the door to learning the exact positions of awareness and knowledge that I failed yet to conceptualize. Very quickly I found myself shifting and learning these exact gems.

[rosygyro]

knowledge and the enemy termed "the known" is accumulative based on experience.as a simple example.

If a virgin youth who has never been with a real female talks about %@%%+. there is nothing of %@%%+ he can explain.

if a man who has sysematicly raped 200 women talks about %@%%+ there is nothing he can explain.

one of the two has never been close enough to know and the other has stamped all over the experience 
until all that remains is a hole in women which resembles the shape of his penis.

This is the crux of social conditioning and the KNOWN.
as we travel we accumulate both knnowledge and expectation of things, 
this expectation destroys the nature of the world around us.
the world and its holes take on the shape of our own ignorance through our repeated bashing of the world with our ignorance.

i am no rapist by the way..
but as sorcerers are so interested in sexual energy nherant awarnesss and the known and and and POWER.

i want you to muse how a rapist and his sexual energy can be taken out of "the female" all together.
i am failly sur thee 200 women could all squeeze it out at once if properly organised
and then what would he be? without a hole to keep his ugly in?



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[rosygyro]

If we could actually (using the void) detatch a person who had huge amounts of sexual energy atatchment as part of his tonal from the atatchmenthe would be energeticly hopeless in his this world apon re-arrival.
The saving grace of the technique of sending people through the void is that the void exists in premanifestation and is as such THE EAST or future.

in the future the tonal of mankind will not have abuse victims and both sexes will be healed
meaning that apon arrival from the void the newly initiated is exposed to a membrane of resistence to his "energy needs" and social conditioning that stems from the inevitable potential future. 

what was once this mans connection to women has become
a billion totrtured souls screaming at him for this world to change, that it is time for change.
a man whos tonal has been through the void is not any longer irresponsible of his humanity,
even if he was an exemplorary human before void transition, apon re-arrival he is a representative
of that which needs to change.

[serloco]

A bad tonal would say hey, what you know, your expectations, destroy the world.

A good tonal would say the world you have come to know and expect is not so bad as you think.

A sorcery tonal would say hey, you dont need to empower your expectations at all, and you can expect the unexpected and grow from it.

[serloco]

Ok, so what about a shared existence. Judgements for the world around us and our internal dialogue shapes that world right? Right, and so what about someone who tells you, rapists are all over the world and murderer's too? What do you do? A bad tonal, lost in his negative garbage, it telling you his judgements of reality! Do you allow, and accept that this man's knowledge is true for you too? I wouldn't recommend it. I would recommend standing on your own feet and forming your own knowledge and judgements of reality for yourself. The real kicker is you could accept that the bad man is right for himself and wrong for you. The result of this action would leave the world split into two. I have done it often. The same rapist would appear as a rapist to the one ho judged him as one, and to you he would appear as you judged him to be. Better is to cut the judgement out of the man's mouth and body. Accepting that you are a powerful sorcerer and the bad man is not one. Thus his judgement is incorrect, weak, not forming, because really the choice is up to you.