Casual Conversation

[Billy]

As you can SEE that looks sloppy--the flurry of posts there.  Show me to get you the book attachment, and maybe we should break until wedensday.  I'm fine, but that looked ugly.  Your call.

[Billy]

Well, no matter what happens--- I'm dropping any pursuit concerning the book for now.  I am dropping my occupation with shame for now.  It doesn't make sense not to learn what you know the way YOU know it.

This isn't with the trademarks of some epiphany.  This is just a decision I expect to follow through with, starting with reason.  Also, if you're done expressing (for now or more) that is okay.  You gave enough to start. 

Thank you.

[serloco]

I think in regards to bumping an old thread that it is just fine to do so, as long as you add or contribute to the original topic, as well if you have questions about the content that they or someone new can answer. I also think that threads often lead into other areas as this one has done, and that is OK to me too, because everything is innerconnected and often leads into other pathways. I do think tho that one should try to remain on topic for the most part and not stray to far off base. But hey sometimes topics lead into other topics. I suggest we try to create new topics regarding totally separate ideas and avenues, but the moment is the moment now occurring and should be pursued and followed no matter where it may lead, which can often be unknown before hand.

Feel free to start any thread you want, a thread in the stalking board sounds fine too, or whatever board is most appropriate. You can also take any post i have hear and place it into the stalking section to explore and expand upon if you desire.

If you want to send me your book that is OK, you can send it here if it will fit.. bonsaigardens@hotmail.com or serloco@hushmail.com

i appreciate your energy too, and the stalking we have done. You have good fluidity, and often see directly in a telepathic sence. You have have the personal power required to launch yourself, using the energy, words, and references to land you into the positions. Which is great.

[Billy]

Serloco, you made vague reference to schizoprenia or whatever.  I don't care if you are from Mars--I don't want convention.  I am glad you speak.

[Billy]

OMG   Thank you for teaching me.

[serloco]

I think everything around us teaches when we listen for a lesson.

And we are a conduit of this everything.

[Billy]

I want to say in the future I will try to avoid being overly casual in addressing you.  You certainly deserve my more sober formality.

[serloco]

[serloco]

Is this FormALL enough for you?

[Billy]

1.  You have made me conscious of stalking
2.  You have made me conscious of intent generally
3.   You have made me conscious of not being in a fixed amount of time (I did not realize how that opens up all.)
4.  You have made me conscious of 'filling'  12345... infinity

   I am not overwhelmed by it, but I am apprehensive this is so fast

5.  You have made me conscious of moving from the tonal to the nagual-- this one does not yet have the empiricism of the other things mentioned.
 
I am very weak, lazy, and don't have an abundance of guts.  But, I guess most people are that way.  I keep making the little decisions in front of me when I can.

Do you want details of manifestations, my failures.  I want to cry---but I smile too.  Are you aware of all this?  Does it matter to you? 

What do I say?  There is too much---you give me so much, and I think I **** out.  I don't like that about myself.  I let people see me diminished, and see myself that way sometimes. And, then it is the other way at times.  I do go deeper... then, I think that it is shallow---   ......infinity...... of this.  I don't want out, I don't want in.

We are well connected.  You are blowing me away!  (AND I LIKE IT.)

Do you want details FORMAL MAGIC?

[Billy]

I meant details of the FORMAL MAGIC (NOT calling you FORMAL MAGIC)

Here is a small story.  (A year ago) I am seated at my mother's funeral after-dinner with persons outside the family that are friend's of a sister.  One insults me by tagging me with an unflattering monicher and injects another insult later.  (These are not overtly egregious--- but I know the disrespect.)  I let this go.

My brother-in-law repeats this name from out of the blue a couple weeks ago in addressing me.  I let this go.

A wedding this weekend involves these persons, and I am prepared not to tolerate ANYTHING.   But I get caught up playing this out in my mind, and realize  the loss of energy.  When you did FORMAL MAGIC  "It is Him or His Rock Star Suit,"  I SAW how small the person was to be managed with reprisal--- persons tend to make monsters out of things----which was happening to me.

Of course you helped me.  But I did not like the scenario of displacing the person, because of the scene it really would likely be.  I am not controlled enough to ignore an insult again (nor do I want to be).   So essentially I play the hand ahead of time--which feels totally weak to me, telling my sister of my issue and make sure that this person steer clear of me.   In reason this makes sense to me--- but that's about it. 

   Ironically, the insult involved the person's snide remark when I was asking someone else if they knew of Carlos Castaneda.
   I was going to visit intent of making the person feel ill next week if rude again (Which for whatever reason, I now felt capable of.  THEN I learn from the sister in this exchange that he already has pancreatic cancer.  I told my sister he would not be feeling too good later this week, because I really had already gone there in my mind with that.)

   That this is what I am doing with 'new' energy does not make me happy.  Yet, I KNOW NOT TO reduce things to its manifestations.  When I met emptiness, Emotions were wild for two weeks, so I know it is about learning to handle 'new' energy.
The book, if it was in paper might have been viewed as per Don Juan MATUs          OMG   YOU ARE !!!!  (ARE YOU???)

I was going to say used as toilet paper.  But I don't know what going from the tonal to the nagual is---   but I think that is the symbolcic part is.  If you read, you saw much was fiction.  From the tonal aspect, did you like the fiction?

If you responded to my previous post I don't know this as I submit.

[Billy]

When one views the occupation with one's petty creepy feelings as I describe, that is a perceptably low vision of being.  How do you move on from that with any good sense?

[Billy]

billy wrote:When one views the occupation with one's petty creepy feelings as I describe, that is a perceptably low vision of being.  How do you move on from that with any good sense?

Well, let me answer you billy--- that is why in the tonal at least (UNTIL SOMEONE STARTS TEACHING YOU ABOUT MOVING INTO THE NAGUAL, you need to get even lower than the low willingly.  THEN, you become the alpha and the omega. (I laughed serloco)

[Billy]

Don't scare me,

Just because you found out I was the cheap model, what?  You are finished?

I am humorous and real and totally totally.

Can you deal with THAT-- I mean my cheap arrogance?

OMG billy, you are such a slut (don't laugh).

[serloco]

billy wrote:
 
Do you want details FORMAL MAGIC?

I am very weak, lazy, and don't have an abundance of guts.  But, I guess most people are that way.

  Yes, in your awareness set, in your life, your blood, and as such so too do the shadows dance, as manifest - your light's form, as it should. Perhaps a sacrifice is in due, a letting of blood, let go the volumous account of measured past and let flow this void, to in this absence place and set new measure - spirng forth.

[serloco]

❝We die containing a richness of lovers and tribes, tastes we have swallowed, bodies we have plunged into and swum up as if rivers of wisdom, characters we have climbed into as if trees, fears we have hidden in as if caves.

I wish for all this to be marked on by body when I am dead. I believe in such cartography - to be marked by nature, not just to label ourselves on a map like the names of rich men and women on buildings. We are communal histories, communal books. We are not owned or monogamous in our taste or experience.❞
- Michael Ondaatje, The English Patient

[Billy]

or www.rustedroot.com see woodstock           go to 56 minute mark and listen for three and a half minutes.

[Billy]

May I address you Don Juan Matus if that is who you are?  You have an email address with my book; are you going to tell me if I have guessed right?  DID YOU READ FAR ENOUGH to learn that the 'orgy', infidelity and cuckolding were ALL FICTION??????

I apolgize to anyone, as this is no sense to you--- but I promise to share at the right time.  This person interacting with me is INCREDIBLY POWERFUL.  It is really amazing what is happening-- and my life was already 'trippy' to begin with.

My first teacher {Joe} was a former Catholic seminarian (a seminary in the Catskill mountains)  I knew him 30 years until he died.  HE WAS ROCK SOLID when it came to grounding the 'spirituality'.  So when I relay what transpires, as this person has permitted me, trust me to tell you there will be no flakiness, no pie in the sky. This is as real as it gets in the TONAL.

Further, my second 'teacher' {Alonzo} was as grounded as Joe, but was acutely aware of details and timing and rhythms in life.  I may be lost, I may have a big ego, but I promise no one means to be more genuinely honest than myself--NO ONE! 
   WHEN I AM AFRAID OF THE TRUTH--I KNOW if and when I am as well.  I am absorbed with self like an ****-- but, then THAT is NOT what I am about when I have awareness.

[Billy]

Sir, whatever you are sending to me (and I have acknowledged little of how it manifests)  I am getting almost all of it, and I know what are questions to be asked, and sense what answers are to become empircal to me.

I waver a little.  But trust that I have hooked you if that is to be possible-- the confidence I have is not one of ego.  The intent is early, but developing strongly.  You will teach me, especially when I am stubborn and afraid.

[Billy]

Sir, go to 42 minute mark of rusted root, and listen for 3 and 1/2 minutes please.

[Billy]

quantumshaman wrote:
People need to believe in monsters and aliens. It frees them from having to face the reality: the only demons and obstacles are those we create and those we seek out.

You seem to be seeking out demons on the one side, and saviours on the other (Carlitos vs. the flyers, or Armanda vs. the Foreign Installation.) As long as you engage in that kind of taking up of sides (dualisms), you doom yourself to live them.

Have a nice time.  

GOOD!

quantumshaman, I am so privileged to realize now that you are indeed Della, and to say I never will steal a thread again.  What an honor that I 'stole' yours.  I went back just now to pick up this quote, and only discovered after doing a bit of looking.

  I want to advise others to be careful doing the worshipping I seem to do on this thread.  I assume Della, that "Have a nice time" also means PERIOD! 
 
   But, going to the underside of "Have a nice time" I am sure you mean that literally as well.  What I am saying is, that regarding flyers and 'teachers' --- ALL fall undwer the category of creating complex worlds that IS THE DEMON.

I honor that my 'seeking' is PLAY.  If 'seeking' is to learn a truth; its as if the possible truth is lost immediately-- and YOU can become lost in that thinking irretrievably.

I would love to hear from you Della-  I loved that you were the FIRST in my life to question mortality head on.  I went from there, and did similar--and essentially wanted to say "F you" to existence having relevance.  NOW-- I WANT to move on from that.  If I got what you were saying empirically-- I don't WANT to move on from anything.

I hate using paradox as it is confusing--but, there is one HERE.

[serloco]

First off before I post any other replies to correct the course of this thread and save the seekers before the venture forth. To seek a teacher that is a demon is just that, to seek that which for you is demonic. To seek a truth that is not made truth, or possibility, is to seek just that state, or point. Seek and you shall find that which you seek.

To seek the Infinite teacher of all things, any thing, is to seek a willing and trusty servant, a friend and ally, a creator of all things, and all things separate.

The agenda you align to is the agenda you align to.

Paradox is not so confusing once you resolve paradox. Truth in one moment may not be the truth in another moment, as the moment can change and become fluid. This is because reality is infinite creation, creating eternally all things. One moment becomes another, then another, all connected, all one. One moment, that which is your life at this very moment has the potential to become all things, do anything at any time, find anything, make anything. And it surrounds you now.

Can you turn this potential into a choice?

Time is motion and all things move, can you see this motion, where time unfolds? Can you see the connection to yourself? Can you guide yourself? You are moving right now. What are you bringing to the picture?

Can you see this essence where the answer to all things is?

Can you speak with it now? Can it form words into your world, language, energy?

Can you see it?

[Billy]

serloco wrote:Is this FormALL enough for you?
 I WANT TO PUKE!  I want to get everything I can out of me to make room.  Not only do you PERFECTLY clarify in words the things I don't quite get empirically, BUT you suggest; then I am going into life situations that tell me exactly; then THIS is reinforced by words and pictures.

  This is something I have been 'doing' for a at least a couple decades.  But I am learning in a week WAY MORE than I learned in the last forty years.  Holy Jesus!

[serloco]

We spoke of allies earlier and had a couple questions. It is good to add. I was through my facebook page and found a button to show new people, of potential related friends lets say. I push this button and many faces and names came up. Etymological names by I did not see this at first. I began scanning in my everyday way, scrolling down the list, my energy did not know these people spread out over the earth, and I thought, hmmmm. (+-)

Don Juan taught us the ancient technique of bringing allies into the world by using a mirror and some water. A reflection and some fluidity.

I gave 'under' the names I had not yet aligned into sight, the page behind my current. I looked into this place before I opened it, and focused onto energetic forms of people I imagined, different positions, energetic formations of awareness, and then looked at the page. The names now are all aligned to convey the reflections of my own projected energy into form. Every name is in sequential order, describing the awareness I placed into motion.

An example I thought align sexy aware women that I can engage in and focus that energy into form and the name appears Chloe Mac, Chloe means to shine.

The allies are taking form now to the reflections of my awareness, my knowledge, my projection, my light.

I see that I can reach into the fluid energy of the ally world, the water on this mirror and align to form the picture and energy,my light form. And the name come's up Leanne Diplock.

Origin of the name Leanne:
Modern name combining the names Lee (dweller by the wood or clearing) and Anne (gracious, full of grace). Alternatively, it is a variant spelling of Lianne (sun).

and then there is diplock, but then, you get the picture, right?

and so I control my energy, now, seeing whatever I focus into the magic mirror. and on it goes to and from, forming in the ally world, into this world both. DO you see them?

[serloco]

MAC Wonder Woman