The Air Of A Warrior.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Perhaps fixing is not the correct world when it is interpeted as being offensive.Nice point Barefoot.

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I have had lots of gay men as friends. They are drawn to me. I just love their energy too. I find other people like them too. We have one at work, we call him lala. Yesterday I went to ask a man to change the water bottle, lala was having his lunch right there and he said to me, "just because I'm gay does not mean I can't change the water bottle." We all laughed. I said to him "yeah thats exactly what I was thinking" (I wasn't) and I told him to prove me wrong, and so he changed the water bottle, and we all cheered when he finished. He of course was amusing all of us, he is quite funny.



The people who don't accept gays...they usually are the same people who don't accept Blacks, Asians, Jews etc. Your father is different, he is family and so that was a personal impact between you both, which I cannot know from direct experience what its like, but I can imagine it was painful experience for you both for different reasons. He of course should love you as you are. Glad you had growth experience from it, that would not be easy I can imagine, so bravo for that.



How do I feel when people feel they need to fix me?...well, depends on situation. Sometimes its good to take someone's advice, because if we do, we may be happier in the long run. To act as if we have all the answers ourselves and need no outside advice ever, I don't see that as reality. I suggest you don't get hung up on the word 'fix' to the point you make it something other then it was presented here. Here is how it was presented:


Nagual LoneWolf wrote:I would like to add that the more one goes with that path the more one sees life. You will see the suffering and pains of living beings, feel their want of love, of needing. In this world is much that is filtered through the eyes of the FI when in reality it could be different. We who are warriors of the spirit love and in that love we find what is not love. There is much to fix and repair in every city, every country, in every person.

Read what he is saying Barefoot. He is talking about the FI. Is that not something good to be rid of?

[BarefootInTheSand]

Thank you, I read what he said...you never answered the question about how you "feel" when someone wants to fix you. If you had answered the question instead of avoiding the answer, then you might begin seeing the point I am making.



Wolf writes about seeing suffering in others, their want for love, etc. My point is that while this is a expanded level of awareness (seeing more than Wolf saw before), that it is not as expanded as one's awareness could be. Is that the FI? Maybe so, but that really isn't the point. From the level of awareness that Wolf is describing it feels very natural to want to help people unless you are a rock. You care, you see them hurting and so you naturally want to step in and help. However, seeing them hurting is only a point of view and not necessarily real. If Wolf were to expand this level of awareness further, Wolf may see more of a person's life path and also see that it would be injurious to step in (even with the best of intentions) as is depicted in the story of the old man who saw a butterfly struggling to get out of its caccoon and helped it. What was taken from the butterfly resulted in it never being able to fly.



Imho, the FI is what keeps one from having the fullest expansion of awareness. I have read nothing in this thread that has depicted any plan of attack for that which restricts Wolf from expanding this level of awareness further. It is possible that it is the FI in you Moon that would content Wolf to stay at a restricted level of awareness, but I don't really know enough to know that.

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Ah, feelings, they can be a double edged sword...its nice to feel sometimes, and other times our feelings debilitate us. Feeling pity is the worst of all. It's so much better to not care what others think of us, so much better to not be defensive.

[BarefootInTheSand]

Ravenmoon wrote:I have had lots of gay men as friends. They are drawn to me. I just love their energy too. I find other people like them too. We have one at work, we call him lala. Yesterday I went to ask a man to change the water bottle, lala was having his lunch right there and he said to me, "just because I'm gay does not mean I can't change the water bottle." We all laughed. I said to him "yeah thats exactly what I was thinking" (I wasn't) and I told him to prove me wrong, and so he changed the water bottle, and we all cheered when he finished. He of course was amusing all of us, he is quite funny.

I get that ^ a lot.  You know, I met a woman once.  I even worked with some at a office once.  I was friends with some of them and we even ate lunch together.  I even met some men once too, ok maybe more than once, and I saw a wolf at a zoo.  It's not the same, but I had a dog once...that is kind of like having a wolf.  I've even seen ravens around. 
There are many levels of acceptance.  Thank you for trying to make me feel accepted even if it is still somewhat outside of your experience...I won't hold that against you.  :-P 
It was personal for my father.  He must have had a grand image in his head of what he dreamed his son would grow up to be.  His dreams for me, he meant well.  It is unfortunate that I was nothing like what he imagined me to be.  It hurt him to have his dreams crushed.  There are levels to love too.

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I wasn't trying to make you feel accepted. You just reminded me, that I have adored my gay male friends (or in some cases acquaintances), due to their humor and ways. Not everything is about you Barefoot

[BarefootInTheSand]

Not only reminded you, you went out of your way to share it. It is only because I happen to be gay that you thought to mention it, and so in a way it is about me. You'd be surprised at how many people feel the need to express their gay experience stories with me as if it is an offering meant to show me that they are kind to gays. However, you are right, it is more about you and your limited experience and your limited ability to accept people outside of your comfort zone.

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