Attentions

[Nagual LoneWolf]

There are three attention we as humans can access. Once we die the attentions become one is what I was taught and believe. We have the first which is through our assemblage point, the second is through dreaming and the dreaming body, the third of course is the dual attentions of the double and tonal merged into the third attention. This third attention is like having two bodies seeing at the same , two perceptions at once. For example: Your at work and performing tasks while your double is having sex with some hottie on the other side of the world if you can be aware of both actions at the same time then your in the third attention. Its not that hard to do actually if you flip your seeing. When Carlos was seeing people and then shifting his seeing and seeing them as luminous eggs he was using the third attention.

[White Knight]

Portably 6 abstract core in the TPoS book is also an example of mastering 3attention.

[Nu Lang]

LOL! Yes, the third attention, simultaneous awareness, yes. One body here, another body there. Saves a ton on the cost of air travel, so its economical too. They talk about making cars more fuel efficient...no one ever talks about not even needing a car, THATs fuel efficient. There is so much people never get to because they simply don't believe its possible. There are other people, born with magic in their eyes, and they really save a lot of people if people would pay attention.



All this rational 'what is' stuff keeps everyone's ap fixed. We learned from Carlos to move that ap, to shift. But sorcerers were doing this all the time anyway. There are no limits to sorcery. Not saying we can have it all at once, like anything its a process, but one should never consider something impossible. Being in two places at once and being aware of both places is definitely a possibility...a reality. I'm glad you can access that so easily Wolf. You have shown me much about whats possible, truly grateful for that. Now for me the tonal is fun, its a dream. I wouldn't trade my expereinces for all the emperors tea in China...uh wait a minute, I think I meant I will trade it for all the emperors tea...ok, now I'm confused... Either way I take my tea with honey, thanks.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

LOL...I'll take some tea as well!

[Nu Lang]

Surrrrr! Kettles already warming on the stove

[Nu Lang]

I was reading from some DJ quotes in the sorcery forum...



To master the first attention uses stalking



To master the second attention uses dreaming



It seems to me as one is doing this, and getting more and more adept, the third attention starts to descend upon one naturally. So, rather than a warrior be concerned with getting to the third attention s/he can work diligently on stalking and dreaming and see/experience the cumulative effects which will usher in the third. A practical approach.



So when stalking the tonal (first attention) one should stalk for the freedom from tonal fixations.



When in dreaming (second attention) one needs to stalk dreaming positions, gain control over dreaming. I recall Mothsdream saying on more than one occasion that being a stalker is an asset for dreaming. I see more clearly now what she was referring to specifically which she said also recently about stalking being done to fix the ap in dreaming upon a position, and more than one position, multiple over time.

[Guest]

Well this begs the question but can we access the third attention? I know some people have claimed to but I'm very skeptical about this. For example maybe they experienced the second attention and mistaked it for the third. But how would one know if they accessed the third attention?
I don't claim to have done it. I have accessed the second thru dreaming but never the third.

[Nu Lang]

I've done the very thing LW talks about in his lead post, but LW is better at it, is showing me about it. To be aware of being in two places means you are accessing both your physical and energy body at the same time. That would give you a third awareness.



Have you ever seen a visual appear in front of you? I call it dreaming awake. I would say thats your dreaming body you were accessing at that moment, whilst being in your physical body and using it's eyes too.

[ninth octave]

Growing up as a kid we heard we had a "double" -an  identical" you" but living on the opposite side of the world at the same time . When dreaming at night, your other you is awake doing "you" in the day.  I thought it was the neatest idea and believe it to be true somehow.

[Nu Lang]

Ninth, why not access that other you? Not only is it a neat idea, its a way to live.

[ninth octave]

Nu Lang,
Many people till this day have said something to this same effect, "you look familiar" to this person. This "person" has been a teacher, a nurse,an administer-always something of prominence. Well, my response is really.. it must be my double. In my reality, I travel no more within a 3 mile radius on any given day. One time about 10 years ago, I really thought I saw my double on footage from some vacation spot in Iceland as my double was frolicking in a hot spring. It was like seeing myself in a mirror. lol

[Guest]

ninth octave wrote:Nu Lang,
Many people till this day have said something to this same effect, "you look familiar" to this person. This "person" has been a teacher, a nurse,an administer-always something of prominence. Well, my response is really.. it must be my double. In my reality, I travel no more within a 3 mile radius on any given day. One time about 10 years ago, I really thought I saw my double on footage from some vacation spot in Iceland as my double was frolicking in a hot spring. It was like seeing myself in a mirror. lolI get that a lot!  Actually, took a course on the weekend, and the instructor kept staring at me.  Finally he's like "I know you form somewhere!" he was trying to place it.  I didn't tell him that I had had a dream about him two nights prior, before meeting him.  lol I love it!

[Guest]