When I saw

[Blue totem]

Years ago I had very disturbing visions. First of all, I saw like it was described in Castanedas books. And Ialso saw things that were not described in the
books. I can't explain what I saw in detail for technical reasons. For one, i'm not sure of what i saw, and second if i am right about what i saw, then
reality is way stranger than fiction.




What I can say about what I saw is that basically, there are two worlds. There is this world we know, where God is nowhere to be found. And there is this other
world, where God is everywhere in all things big and small. I was shocked, afraid and confused by what i saw. What shocke me was that when you look at an
object like a car, when you see, this car become something else. You can still recognize it as a car, but it become more than a car. Its something completely
different...




I don't know if any of you understand what I am talking about? If any of you do know, then please help me understand.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

The world is our perception, we all perceive differently but often we see alike.

[docta lee]

Yes Totem you told me about this in the chat-room.




I don't know Totem but what Wolf says is very true.




All sorts of strange perception can occur on this path.




And as you know you cant use your rationality to really know what you are seeing.

[Blue totem]

Well Docta. You can still conclude many things from seeing. Seeing is not like a dream. Seeing is the same for all seers. They all see the same thing. So yes,
you can rationalize or deduct information from what you see.




There is definitly something I can conclude from what I saw, but its too strange... I would need comfirmation from a seer who can see permanantly.




So what I'm saying is that what I saw had profound meaning. A meaning that appeals to rationality and intuition at the same time...

[dreamgirl]

Hey Blue totem,




I was wondering what you were doing/practicing during that time that you had this experience? I have had strange experiences too, and with that came this huge
desire to KNOW exactly what it was, I was looking for someone to tell me, explain it, sooth me. I never got any concrete answers and this frustrated me, but
years later I seem to somehow have found peace with it, and something in me changed, and I sort of answered my own burning question, not completely, but in a
way. My hunt for answers did lead me to have a sort of magical experience in itself, I met a man who became a very close friend and confident, sadly just
years later he died of a very sudden case of throat cancer - completely out of the blue, he was in his early forties. He was a few steps further along the
"path" than me, so for a few years I had someone to answer most all my questions, and I will always cherish that. I have no idea why I tell you all
this, but your post has been on my mind lately, so maybe something I say will be of value to you in this experience you have had.




Take care, Dreamgirl

[Blue totem]

Dreamgirl




GS asked me the same thing; what was I doing when this happened?


Well I was just sitting outside by the pool. Everytime I did see, it was never by intention.


And everytime I saw something different. Luckily I read a lot, so I knew what happened.




I once saw a guys heart thru his chest, like if I had x-ray vision.


And I read later that some yogies could see like that...


But some things I've seen, I can't explain.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

The world "without god" was a world you saw that is uniquely yours(a ap you created/found) the world were "god was everything" is also an
assemblage point. These are assemblage points and you were able to "see" them BT. I have seen them as we all "Can", you have a ap that is
flexible, visions are seeing assembalge points...aps can be part of our world or worlds far away within time and past time.

[Blue totem]

Well thanks Lone Wolf.




The world without God I'm talking about is basically the world we all know. The normal world in other words.




The other world I saw, where God is everywhere, was not made by man but by some much higher form of intelligence. But these two realities seemed to be linked
in some, pre-planned manner, almost like a joke from God. Like if he was saying, I am right under your nozes, I am everywhere, but nowhere at the same time.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Your world you call normal is one of your visions as you describe it and the other world is the one where god is seen everywhere in every thing by everyone
then also a vision?


In speaking in such a way the visions are: man's world


and god's world of man.




Assemblage points created by men are both "visions".


This world belongs to mankind, animalkind, fishkind, insectkind, etc. and yes for those who believe godkind. If I may so point out by using such contexts we
humans like to illustrate.


Its a world! We are alive. If we want god in it, then god is there under every tree, every rock, every leaf to find. That is the beauty of this world, it holds
much mystery still.

[Guest]