Don Juan's Explanation Of The Foreign Installation

[adeleon444]

I would be interested in you helping me see the foreign installation-what do you say?

[ARNWAY]

To get the best results take something to make you feel different like pot or other natural things that give you a shift from your normal attention like after
watching the TV show "Two and a Half Men". LOL




Turn off all the lights to maintain total darkness and this is the hard part really because you will find that there are forces that will prevent this from
happening as you will clearly see, its hard to get total darkness so you will have to go to extremes to attain this condition even if it means going in a room
like a cellar or a very big closet and shut off your "internal dialog" and focus what you see in total darkness.




Have a clear mind without having expectations like--Where is it--and let the natural flow of your perception unfold.




I don't know about you but I instantly start to see my dreaming colors and see the F.E. manifesting to try and keep you from knowing this.

[mybelovedmateria]

The "flyer" simply is one type of the energies of the universe interested in learning about us, but it's quite strange and big, and the many
other energies the human is composed of may have a problem if it comes in too heavy to have a look at us.




You can describe most of these energies in physical terms (you could describe all of them such way, however, physics isn't advanced enough yet to do so).
That shiny silverish thing is the electrons, that yellowish sparkling thing the protons, that smooth white thing the neutrons, the photons are very colorful
and subtle, neutrinos are black fibers or sometimes a greyish continuum, the elements are different colors (oxygen for example is the red world), space is
black, and there are some others also.




Those flyers, well, maybe the neutrinos in some uncommon clumped together form (has anyone ever seen them as fibers?), or something else, maybe dispersed parts
of space (from a higher dimension).




It certainly is immature and foolish to see them as enemies, they are a part of the universe as everything else, and will be great friends and very helpful
once we crossed the gap and have accustomized ourselves to each other.




It is also part of the human past to see everyone and everything that is strange and uncommon as possible enemies, people were quite paranoid some thousands of
years ago when there was a strong competition between the tribes and many wars just to extinguish the rivals.




This might have been good for human evolution, it propelled it, there were so many different australopithecines and homini erecti, and only the best survived
and the others got erased, but nowadays I guess everyone agrees that this stance is counter-productive and we better be brothers and friends among the whole of
humanity.




(Okay, some of them are not evolved enough to do what we do, but it would be utterly stupid to fight them and extinguish them actively, because we would bring
ourselves more harm than good, and they'll fade away anyway, so being a warrior and seeing enemies everywhere is stupid.)




Simply stupid.




So, if you get that idea of possible enemies out of your mind, what is the flyers really?

[Vrill]

Materia that's an excellent point, if we view the Flyers or whatever they are as enemies we create a Duality, an "us vs. them" mindset, which
ultimately might not be helpful to us.




I tend to think Tibetan Demons are closely related to Flyers.


Milarepa, the famous Tibetan Mystic, used to meditate in caves, and quite frequently would be assailed by Demons.


However he took that opportunity to enlighten them by singing songs full of widsom and in the process they were liberated rather than "slain" by
being freed from their shadow state.

[ARNWAY]

mybelovedmateria, the quote you
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Those flyers, well, maybe the neutrinos in some uncommon clumped together form (has anyone ever seen them as fibers?), or something else, maybe dispersed parts
of space (from a higher dimension).




It certainly is immature and foolish to see them as enemies, they are a part of the universe as everything else, and will be great friends and very helpful
once we crossed the gap and have accustomized ourselves to each other.




It is also part of the human past to see everyone and everything that is strange and uncommon as possible enemies, people were quite paranoid some thousands of
years ago when there was a strong competition between the tribes and many wars just to extinguish the rivals.




This might have been good for human evolution, it propelled it, there were so many different australopithecines and homini erecti, and only the best survived
and the others got erased, but nowadays I guess everyone agrees that this stance is counter-productive and we better be brothers and friends among the whole of
humanity.




(Okay, some of them are not evolved enough to do what we do, but it would be utterly stupid to fight them and extinguish them actively, because we would bring
ourselves more harm than good, and they'll fade away anyway, so being a warrior and seeing enemies everywhere is stupid.)




Simply stupid.




So, if you get that idea of possible enemies out of your mind, what is the flyers really?
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Its not correct to catagoririze them as ordinary foriegn energy (fliers).




Energy forces have to be catagorized in many different ways by there intent and nature of there existance and can't be be lumped in a general knee jerk
description and be dealt with same way.




There are many different forms of "Inorganic Beings" that are friends of mankind and there are ones that are not friends of mankind because they want
to suck and consume our energy and make us prisoners of there energy




It would be stupid to treat them "fliers"as helpers or not to treat the fliers as enemies because they are predatory beings of our attention.




The whole idea of being a warrior is to perceive the world without their influence.

[ARNWAY]

mybelovedmateria your interest in this topic is of most interesting and I would love to help clarify the distinction of the many types of "Foreign
Energy" that exits that we as mankind have no choice but to deal with in this most mysterious world.




There is a fine line of what we should accept and know and the difference when it is the enemy and from your words you could or so it seems personally need
some clarification on "what is what" especially when you have your own website.

[seeitall]

mybelovedmateria wrote:



It certainly is immature and foolish to see them as enemies, they are a part of the universe as everything else, and will be great friends and very helpful
once we crossed the gap and have accustomized ourselves to each other.




(Okay, some of them are not evolved enough to do what we do, but it would be utterly stupid to fight them and extinguish them actively, because we would
bring ourselves more harm than good, and they'll fade away anyway, so being a warrior and seeing enemies everywhere is stupid.)




Simply stupid.




So, if you get that idea of possible enemies out of your mind, what is the flyers really?


They are your best friends.


As we are best friends to chickens.� chickens only need� "to cross the gap" to see this evident truth.


stupid chickens.


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[Vrill]

seeitall wrote:

They are your best friends.


As we are best friends to chickens.� chickens only need� "to cross the gap" to see this evident truth.


stupid chickens.


Awesome analogy.




If chickens stopped tasting good, if they tasted like horse turds, perhaps humans would lose interest in them?
I have a notion that maybe the predators
lose interest in humans that get free from their web, because they start to taste bad.




As creatures of darkness they probably find beings of light of be antithetical to their very nature.




If one stops generating fear and drama what are they going to feed on?

[ARNWAY]

Unfortunately it is not that simple because they energetically go for our juggler vain of our being of energy.




A sad time indeed for our time as humans today.




Being a warrior gives us the minimal chance and speed to escape the predatory fixation.

[seeitall]

Vrill wrote:


seeitall wrote:

They are your best friends.


As we are best friends to chickens.� chickens only need� "to cross the gap" to see this evident truth.


stupid chickens.


Awesome analogy.




If chickens stopped tasting good, if they tasted like horse turds, perhaps humans would lose interest in them?
I have a notion that maybe the predators
lose interest in humans that get free from their web, because they start to taste bad.




As creatures of darkness they probably find beings of light of be antithetical to their very nature.




If one stops generating fear and drama what are they going to feed on?




that's what cc wrote in his last book. by discipline we become unpalatable to them. "rotten" apple they are no more interested in.




fortunately there are so many juicy apples in the garden, so they do not care about few bad apples.

[mybelovedmateria]

arnway, it's a good idea to classify them


though, most of them are not inorganic at all


they are animals (insects appear so foreign that it's understandable that some sorcerers believe they're not organic beings), but most of them are
humans, evil sorcerers who disguise under some black shape and feed on our energy




have you ever thought on that?

[ARNWAY]

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arnway, it's a good idea to classify them


though, most of them are not inorganic at all


they are animals (insects appear so foreign that it's understandable that some sorcerers believe they're not organic beings), but most of them are
humans, evil sorcerers who disguise under some black shape and feed on our energy




have you ever thought on that?


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Mybelovedmaterial I know the mechanics behind the makeup of inorganic beings and know from the alignment of there intent when I reach the second attention,
it is then totally clear of how they are seen and perceived as energy.


People willingly or unwillingly harbor foreign energy for good or bad and use them as a short cut to power such as the old seers to the present day have done
but the secret of the new seer approach is to not have a marriage with or any involvement of foreign energy while attaining the neccesary steps to achieve
the movement of our assembledge point and I can attest to this because I have achieved it while dreaming or awake.




The shadows are the enemy of the more common F.E.(foreign energy) because they drove a wedge between mans association with them.




The shadows or fliers are a true enemy of mans awareness compared to regular Inorganic Beings that were mans good friends in the past.

[Guest]

The mind needs a story to fixate upon as a vehicle to traverse into areas outside of what is known to it, the fixation of what is known is so strong that pure
abstraction is often insufficient to break that fixation.


Once that new field of conceptualisation is arrived upon however, then it is time to abandon the vehicle and have a good look around at where we have been
delivered to.


Holding onto the story is the problem, not the techniques or the concepts but the personalisation and possession of a new perspective which was only meant
to deliver you to another point in order to break the previous fixation.


To break one fixation, fluid conceptual fixations must be created so we may see within multiples that have fragments from each, and by virtue of being
subject to multiplicity the mind collapses because reason cannot cope with the unknown factors within that equation.


The contradiction here is the terminology is needed; only but for a moment ,then we must squarely look at this terminology with that liquescent fluidity
that is our heritage, which we have lost.


Fixation itelf is shadow atttention to be fixated is to be trapped in an avenue of awareness, which is to lose access to a multilateral fluidity that
encompasses many dimensions, many perspectives, and is our true nature, our liquescence.


….. So it is in the letting go of the terminology where the major issue is at the moment. It is entrapping awareness because of the investment within that
understanding, because in reality there is no way to really understand how awareness and intent manifests the realities that present themselves, until one
sees.


To hook onto the abstract we borrow understanding from another in order to arrive at a point where that expansive abstract principle can be integrated
within our being in a genuine, holistic sense.


This dissolves the need for terminology and makes obselete the identification because the integrated knowing does not need to be held onto, it is simply
known. The problem with intelligence is that it can appropriate concepts and simply add them to its repertoire of 'the known', creating a more
inclusive fixation, which is nevertheless still linear and rigid because it is possessed and defended.


Lujan

[Bob May]

Hi Lujan,




"To break one fixation, fluid conceptual fixations must be created so we may see within multiples that have fragments from each, and by virtue of being
subject to multiplicity the mind collapses because reason cannot cope with the unknown factors within that equation.


The contradiction here is the terminology is needed; only but for a moment ,then we must squarely look at this terminology with that liquescent fluidity that
is our heritage, which we have lost."




Without the fluidity you speak of our Tonal or "bubble of perception" can merely grow larger and cause the Nagual to grow further away, so to speak.
We have added to what we know, but that is not always enough and can sometimes actually hinder us.




"The problem with intelligence is that it can appropriate concepts and simply add them to its repertoire of 'the known', creating a more inclusive
fixation, which is nevertheless still linear and rigid because it is possessed and defended."




I believe you are saying the same thing here.




"The mind, reason, ego etc hold onto fixations, however broad, far reaching and informed,because without the site of identification, there is nothing by
which to distinguish oneself as unique. Without identification - with memories, knowledge,beliefs, intelligence, gender, time frames, the list is endless - who
or what are we? "




We are not what we have built, thought or been surrounded by. We are only being or spirit, but that is an abstraction unless and until a person has actually
experienced it. And even then, not a walk in the park to experience it a second time. But, that is where your "fluidity" comes into play. It is not
just method, but memory of the feeling of the wholeness of the experience that comes into play. Maybe not the best way to describe it but it's all I've
got right now.




Words are useful to relate experience or method, but wholly inadequate to accurately describe the knowledge of spiritual experience. But words are all we have
to communicate with. So be it.


I think we are meant to alternate between fluidity and stability as we progress. Favoring one or another of either can lead to pathology. I could be wrong on
that, but it seems to me to be a safer journey.


To repeat an experience is to remember the feeling that got you there in the first place. To repeat method only without remembering the underlying mental
gymnastics that accompanied the methods will lead to less than ideal results. We have to learn to become self observers in this respect.


Just my two cents.


There is a lot of truth to your post.

[Guest]

The mind needs a story to fixate upon as a vehicle to traverse into areas outside of what is known to it, the fixation of what is known is so strong
that pure abstraction is often insufficient to break that fixation.


Once that new field of conceptualisation is arrived upon however, then it is time to abandon the vehicle and have a good look around at where we have
been delivered to.


Holding onto the story is the problem, not the techniques or the concepts but the personalisation and possession of a new perspective which was only
meant to deliver you to another point in order to break the previous fixation.


To break one fixation, fluid conceptual fixations must be created so we may see within multiples that have fragments from each, and by virtue of being
subject to multiplicity the mind collapses because reason cannot cope with the unknown factors within that equation.


The contradiction here is the terminology is needed; only but for a moment ,then we must squarely look at this terminology with that liquescent fluidity
that is our heritage, which we have lost.


Fixation itelf is shadow atttention to be fixated is to be trapped in an avenue of awareness, which is to lose access to a multilateral fluidity that
encompasses many dimensions, many perspectives, and is our true nature, our liquescence.


….. So it is in the letting go of the terminology where the major issue is at the moment. It is entrapping awareness because of the investment within
that understanding, because in reality there is no way to really understand how awareness and intent manifests the realities that present themselves, until one
sees.


To hook onto the abstract we borrow understanding from another in order to arrive at a point where that expansive abstract principle can be integrated
within our being in a genuine, holistic sense.


This dissolves the need for terminology and makes obselete the identification because the integrated knowing does not need to be held onto, it is simply
known. The problem with intelligence is that it can appropriate concepts and simply add them to its repertoire of 'the known', creating a more
inclusive fixation, which is nevertheless still linear and rigid because it is possessed and defended.


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Bob


I hope you find this interesting


Part of what has been written here has largely been contributed by one of my oldest students; Naomi Jean


Now when you were reading this your assumption was something other than what you know now.


Even though you would say that it was your real mind that has responded


Is that the truth?


What we really know and what we think we know are two different things.




So what one can actually deduce from this exercise is something different to what you thought you knew in the beginning.


And the question is what you think you know?


And is what you thought you knew really you?


Or something else?

[Bob May]

Hi Lujan,





"I hope you find this interesting


Part of what has been written here has largely been contributed by one of my oldest students; Naomi Jean"




It is interesting and I said there is a lot of truth to what Naomi Jean has come up with. It shows a great degree of self observation.


It reminds me of certain principles that I have learned over the years. The difference between knowledge and Gnosis or experiential knowledge.






"Now when you were reading this your assumption was something other than what you know now. Even though you would say that it was your real mind that has
responded"




Is that the truth?


I would say that it is my "Carnal " mind. That cause and effect mind that everyone uses until they find out there is more. That they are more. But
again, it the mind we use to communicate and deal with others. Language is a part of it and we have to use it to share ideas and basically get along in this
world.




But to get more to the point your "story" has a lot in common with spiritual visions. The story or the vision is not as important as what you learn
from the story or vision. The Principles that stay with you after the story or vision fade. These are the important things.


These are the principles I recognise in Naomi's ideas. These are the principles whereby you recognise truth in what someone is saying or whether or not
they have experienced or are just parroting.


My teacher once said to me, "You take the principles that I have taught you and apply them in your own ways." This was a very freeing statement to
me. I didn't need him anymore. Though I still respected his advise. Our purposes and interests lie in different areas. All of us. We can use the principles
of Don Juan, Jesus or others to just live. To explore and create what we wish to explore and create.


On a personal level this is a breaking of a fixation, a door to a fluidity I hadn't had before.


Having come from a Castaneda and then later a Christian Qabala path it is easy o be caught in dogma if you are not aware. Not because of the systems of
knowledge, but because of carnal men's interpretation of the principles being taught.




A good example of someone being freed from wrong thinking by vision can be easily found on the internet. It is called the vision of Margaret Macdonald. When I
first ran across it I knew she was my sister in the spiritual sense because of the understanding that she had. The principles behind the vision, not the vision
itself is what she stressed. And her understanding of the book or "story", or vision of John far out weighs any school of thought concerning the
"End Times." In fact, I know of no other published documents that display her understanding of the subject. That is because she saw the principles
behind John's attempt at relating what he had seen and heard.




Look it up and read it. You will be amazed at the implications. By the way, Margaret Macdonald was only sixteen years old and living in the 19th century when
she came to this understanding.

[mybelovedmateria]

My understanding was that the flyer is man's shadow, those parts of the minds of others that are unconscious and trying to come to The Light by taking the
information/energy from what's inside the heads of their fellow men, especially those who know something.




Lujan now seems to say that the whole mind is responsible for the flyer, that it shall disappear only if we become fluid and stop using words and thoughts so
much.




If my version is right, it would be quite the opposite, it would be necessary for everyone to learn and understand as much as possible. (Not for the purpose of
clinging onto the interpretation system forever, but for the purpose of having an adequate one.)






For answering this question we'd need to investigate the thought-reality relationship a bit more. In my opinion, thoughts are part of reality, if you
produce thoughts that are useful they get incorporated in the material universe on a microstructure level, and by no means are a foreign body that has to be
gotten rid of.




To understand what a thought or an idea is: it's a relation between material objects, like the idea "tree" is something that's inside or
between all actual material trees, and the idea "tree uses light to grow" is a relationship between the actual trees, and the actual photons, the
sun, the photosystem, the cholorphyll, and so on.




Meaning, if you have no thoughts, the material objects are related in a complex but indiscernable way, like "everything is one", and if you add
thoughts, some of these relations get accentuated. My idea now is, that if you have many adequate thoughts (which are incorporated in materia, so it's not
necessary that everybody needs to learn them one by one), the universe is inter-connected in itself in a better way than without them.






That leads to the hypothesis that the flyer is those thoughts that are wrong or not connected to the main system. (Which is the Human Mind, which you and I can
perceive with their human mind.) And to get rid of it would entail everyone know the Truth and believe no wrong. (And want no things from others they
wouldn't agree with.)

[Guest]

Give of yourself,


except for that which weakens you.


Accept what is given,


but not that which compromises.






Lujan Matus

[Mornings Son]

I got no time for other forums, so Lujan I don't get anything but advertising for your forum ...




Sad you don't take time to REALLY participate here.




MS

[ARNWAY]

Lujan some member P.M. me and told me that you have allot of transsexuals at your website.




Is this true because I'm banned from your site and can not varify there claim that Clorella, Scotti Ocelot and someone named Robinson are fags and
transsexuals?




Just curious if you are guilty by association or are desperate for some fag members. LOL




How could you tell if they are a woman or a man. LOL

[Guest]

From his last book "The Active Side Of Infinity" Carlos Castaneda writes:




"If you pay close attention to the darkness of the foliage without focusing your eyes, but sort of look at it from the corner of your eye, you will see
a fleeting shadow crossing your field of vision.


Early night is the appropriate time of day for doing what I am asking you to do. It takes a moment to engage the necessary attention in you to do it.
Don't stop until you catch that fleeting black shadow, fleeting black shadows all over the place. That's the universe at large, incommensurable,
nonlinear, outside the realm of syntax. The sorcerers of ancient Mexico were the first ones to see those fleeting shadows, so they followed them around. They
saw them as you will see them, and they saw them as energy that flows in the universe. And they did discover something transcendental. They discovered that
we have a companion for life. We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners.
The predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently,
it demands that we don't do so.


It's pitch black around us, but if you look out of the corner of your eye, you will still see fleeting shadows jumping all around you.


You have arrived, by your effort alone, to what the shamans of ancient Mexico called the topic of topics. I have been beating around the bush all this time,
insinuating to you that something is holding us prisoner. Indeed we are held prisoner! This was an energetic fact for the sorcerers of ancient Mexico.


There is an explanation which is the simplest explanation in the world. They took over because we are food for them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because
we are their sustenance. Just as we rear chickens in chicken coops, the predators rear us in human coops. Therefore, their food is always available to them.


Well, you haven't heart it all yet. Wait a bit longer and see how you feel. I'm going to subject you to a blitz. That is, I'm going to subject
your mind to tremendous onslaughts, and you cannot get up and leave because you're caught. Not because I'm holding you prisoner, but because
something in you will prevent you from leaving, while another part of you is going to go truthfully berserk. So brace yourself!


I want to appeal to your analytical mind. Think for a moment, and tell me how you would explain the contradiction between the intelligence of man the
engineer and the stupidity of his systems of beliefs, or the stupidity of his contradictory behavior. Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our
systems of beliefs, our ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreams of success or failure.
They have given us covetousness, greed, and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary, and egomaniacal.


In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous maneuver&endash;stupendous, of course, from the point of
view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators
give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute
now.


I know that even though you have never suffered hunger you have food anxiety, which is none other than the anxiety of the predator who fears that any moment
now its maneuver is going to be uncovered and food is going to be denied. Through the mind, which, after all, is their mind, the predators inject into the
lives of human beings whatever is convenient for them. And they ensure, in this manner, a degree of security to act as a buffer against their fear.


Sorcerers see infant human beings as strange, luminous balls of energy, covered from the top to the bottom with a glowing coat, something like a plastic
cover that is adjusted tightly over their cocoon of energy. That glowing coat of awareness is what the predators consume, and when a human being reaches
adulthood, all that is left of that glowing coat of awareness is a narrow fringe that goes from the ground to the top of the toes. That fringe permits
mankind to continue living, but only barely.


To my knowledge, man is the only species that has the glowing coat of awareness outside that luminous cocoon. Therefore, he became easy prey for an awareness
of a different order, such as the heavy awareness of the predator.


This narrow fringe of awareness is the epicenter of self-reflection, where man is irremediably caught. By playing on our self-reflection, which is the only
point of awareness left to us, the predators create flares of awareness that they proceed to consume in a ruthless, predatory fashion. They give us inane
problems that force those flares of awareness to rise, and in this manner they keep us alive in order to them to be fed with the energetic flare of our
pseudoconcerns.


There's nothing that you and I can do about it. All we can do is discipline ourselves to the point where they will not touch us. How can you ask your
fellow men to go through those rigors of discipline? They'll laugh and make fun of you, and the more aggressive ones will beat the **** out of you. And
not so much because they don't believe it. Down in the depths of every human being, there's an ancestral, visceral knowledge about the predators'
existence.


Whenever doubts plague you to a dangerous point, do something pragmatic about it. Turn off the light. Pierce the darkness; find out what you can see.


You saw the fleeting shadows against the trees, that's pretty good. I'd like you to see them inside this room. You're not seeing anything.
You're just merely catching fleeting images. You have enough energy for that.


The sorcerers of ancient Mexico saw the predator. They called it the flyer because it leaps through the air. It is not a pretty sight. It is a big shadow,
impenetrably dark, a black shadow that jumps through the air. Then, it lands flat on the ground. The sorcerers of ancient Mexico were quite ill at ease with
the idea of when it made its appearance on Earth. They reasoned that man must have been a complete being at one point, with stupendous insights, feats of
awareness that are mythological legends nowadays. And then everything seems to disappear, and we have now a sedated man.


What I'm saying is that what we have against us is not a simple predator. It is very smart, and organized. It follows a methodical system to render us
useless. Man, the magical being that he is destined to be, is no longer magical. He's an average piece of meat. There are no more dreams for man but the
dreams of an animal who is being raised to become a piece of meat: trite, conventional, imbecilic.


This predator, which, of course, is an inorganic being, is not altogether invisible to us, as other inorganic beings are, I think as children we do see it
and decide it's so horrific that we don't want to think about it. Children, of course, could insist on focusing on the sight, but everybody else
around them dissuades them from doing so.


The only alternative left for mankind is discipline. Discipline is the only deterrent. But by discipline I don't mean harsh routines. I don't mean
waking up every morning at five-thirty and throwing cold water on yourself until you're blue. Sorcerers understand discipline as the capacity to face
with serenity odds that are not included in our expectations. For them, discipline is an art: the art of facing infinity without flinching, not because they
are strong and tough but because they are filled with awe.


Sorcerers say that discipline makes the glowing coat of awareness unpalatable to the flyer. The result is that the predators become bewildered. An inedible
glowing coat of awareness is not part of their cognition, I suppose. After being bewildered, they don't have any recourse other than refraining from
continuing their nefarious task.


If the predators don't eat our glowing coat of awareness for a while, it'll keep on glowing. Simplifying this matter to the extreme, I can say that
sorcerers, by means of their discipline, push the predators away long enough to allow their glowing coat of awareness to grow beyond the level of the toes.
Once it goes beyond the level of the toes, it grows back to its natural size. The sorcerers of ancient Mexico used to say that the glowing coat of awareness
is like a tree. If it is not pruned, it grows to its natural size and volume. As awareness reaches levels higher than the toes, tremendous maneuvers of
perception become a matter of course.


The grand trick of those sorcerers of ancient times was to burden the flyers' mind with discipline. They found out that if they taxed the flyers'
mind with inner silence, the foreign installation would flee, giving to any one of the practitioners involved in this maneuver the total certainty of the
mind's foreign origin. The foreign installation comes back, I assure you, but not as strong, and a process begins in which the fleeing of the flyers'
mind becomes routine, until one day it flees permanently. A sad day indeed! That's the day when you have to rely on your own devices, which are nearly
zero. There's no one to tell you what to do. There's no mind of foreign origin to dictate the imbecilities you're accustomed to.


My teacher, the nagual Julian, used to warn all his disciples that this was the toughest day in a sorcerer's life, for the real mind that belongs to us,
the sum total of our experience, after a lifetime of domination has been rendered shy, insecure, and shifty. Personally, I would say that the real battle of
sorcerers begins at that moment. The rest is merely preparation.


Discipline taxes the foreign mind no end, so, through their discipline, sorcerers vanquish the foreign installation.


I am going to give the flyers' mind, which you carry inside you, one more jolt. I am going to reveal to you one of the most extraordinary secrets of
sorcery. I am going to describe to you a finding that took sorcerers thousands of years to verify and consolidate.


The flyers' mind flees forever when a sorcerer succeeds in grabbing on to the vibrating force that holds us together as a conglomerate of energy fields.
If a sorcerer maintains that pressure long enough, the flyers' mind flees in defeat. And that's exactly what you are going to do: hold on to the
energy that binds you together.


You are fearing the wrath of God, aren't you? Rest assured, that's not your fear. It's the flyers' fear, because it knows that you will do
exactly as I'm telling you.


Don't worry, I know for a fact that those attacks wear off very quickly. The flyers' mind has no concentration whatsoever. You're being torn by
an internal struggle. Down in the depths of you, you know that you are incapable of refusing the agreement that an indispensable part of you, your glowing
coat of awareness, is going to serve as an incomprehensible source of nourishment to, naturally, incomprehensible entities. And another part of you will
stand against this situation with all its might.


The sorcerers' revolution is that they refuse to honor agreements in which they did not participate. Nobody ever asked me if I would consent to be eaten
by beings of a different kind of awareness. My parents just brought me into this world to be food, like themselves, and that's the end of the story.


The more you think about it, and the more you talk to and observe yourself and your fellow men, the more intense will be the conviction that something has
rendered us incapable of any activity or any interaction or any thought that doesn't have the self as its focal point. Your concern, as well as the
concern of everyone you know or talk to, is the self.


Focus your attention on the fleeting shadows that you actually see. The flyers' mind has not left you, it has been seriously injured. It's trying its
best to rearrange its relationship with you. But something in you is severed forever. The flyer knows that. The real danger is that the flyers' mind may
win by getting you tired and forcing you to quit by playing the contradiction between what it says and what I say.


You see, the flyers' mind has no competitors, when it proposed something, it agrees with its own proposition, and it makes you believe that you've
done something of worth. The flyers' mind will say to you that whatever Juan Matus is telling you is pure nonsense, and then the same mind will agree
with its own proposition, "Yes, of course, it is nonsense," you will say. That's the way they overcome us.


The flyers are an essential part of the universe and they must be taken as what they really are&endash;awesome, monstrous. They are the means by which
the universe tests us.


We are energetic probes created by the universe, and it's because we are possessors of energy that has awareness that we are the means by which the
universe becomes aware of itself. The flyers are the implacable challengers. They cannot be taken as anything else. If we succeed in doing that, the universe
allows us to continue.


It's time for another kind of maneuver. I want to propose a weird idea to you. I have to stress that it's a weird idea that will find endless
resistance in you. I will tell you beforehand that you won't accept it easily. But the fact that it's weird should not be a deterrent. Your mind is
always open to inquiry, isn't that so?


The weird idea is that every human being on this earth seems to have exactly the same reactions, the same thoughts, the same feelings. They seem to respond
in more or less the same way to the same stimuli. Those reactions seem to be sort of fogged up by the language they speak, but if we scrape that off, they
are exactly the same reactions that besiege every human being on Earth. I would like you to become curious about this and see if you could formally account
for such homogeneity.


A task for you one day will be to see the predator. It is one of the most mysterious things of sorcerer, something that goes beyond language, beyond
explanations. The mystery of sorcerer must be cushioned in the mundane. It must stem from nothing, and go back again to nothing. That's the art of
warrior-travelers: to go through the eye of a needle unnoticed. Someday, when you are ready, sit and brace yourself by propping your back against something.
Cross your legs and enter into inner silence. Enter into inner silence, but don't fall asleep. This won't be a journey through the dark sea of
awareness, it will be seeing from inner silence.


When you can see from inner silence, the predator may appear as a gigantic shadow, leaping in the air and then landing with a silent thud. They are really
heavy. Don't be frightened. Keep your inner silence and it will move away.


The predator is not something benevolent. It is enormously heavy, gross, indifferent. You can feel its disregard for us. Doubtless, it has crushed us ages
ago, making us weak, vulnerable, and docile. You have your unbending intent, not to let them eat you."







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ARNWAY said


Lujan some member P.M. me and told me that you have allot of transsexuals at your website.




Is this true because I'm banned from your site and can not varify there claim that Clorella, Scotti Ocelot and someone named Robinson are fags and
transsexuals?




Just curious if you are guilty by association or are desperate for some fag members. LOL




How could you tell if they are a woman or a man. LOL


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Bye Bye

[Mornings Son]

Arnway you sure have a-way of making people feel welcome and inspired to take part of the discussions here...

[ARNWAY]

Lujan posted links to his site so I will to because these were forwarded to me by some other member.




I always thought Chorella was a women but I was wrong and robinson is a gorgous member for Lujan.




See for yourself.




http://parallelperception.yuku.com/topi ... woman.html




http://parallelperception.yuku.com/topi ... tml?page=1

[phanriver]

arnway, you enjoy playing the fool for this other member you make reference to? Perhaps you are unaware that is all those posts do is make you look a fool.
All for some weak coward unwilling to throw accusations themself.


Or maybe there was no other member forwarding you these but a ploy to make it look like someone is actually interested in communicating with you all the while
you just saw the posts yourself because you just can't control yourself from going to and reading Lujan's forum despite ban. Certianly there are ways
of still reading a forum if banned. What obsession!


Either way it is really sad. I have to go buy another box of kleenex now and my eyes are all puffy from thinking of your plight. *sniff sniffle*

[ARNWAY]

Look Phanriver I don't care what you think of me or what your opinion of what should be acceptable from your standards of being a warrior on a website.




I will personally buy you some tampons along with a case of Kleenex so you can share them with some FAGS and compare **** stains.




We live in a predatory world and I'm not going to get bogged down by sexual preference issues like P.P. site even though I'm not on that precious site
of yours.




I will act as a warrior as I see fit and if I get banned from anywhere then so-be-it because I chosen to be alone in this world and have accepted it when I
stopped the world or confronted the foreign installation dead nuts years ago.