Thunderbeings

[Pixie Dust]

Side note about Billy: Billy primed me for dealing with the disappointment I felt with Alan when I permanently severed that relationship.  Many of my petty tyrants are primers for later situations that present.  So I could be mad at Billy for be a twat--if I wanted.  But in the larger scheme of things Billy is what made me successful in saying goodbye to a very unhealthy relationship.    Billy is what made me successful--what a fascinating perspective isn't it?  

I always keep this mind whenever I'm mad at someone.  While I might be mad at them for something legit, they are priming me for something larger coming that I need more education in  Hence, Wolf set me up for success a decade later lol (what foresight he had).  Kris was impeccable for me (obviously not appropriate for everyone).  When we begin to see the broader picture of time and how people set-up us for long-term success, these people who bring us our greatest challenges are the people who love us the most.  It's no easy task to play the role of the petty tyrant  I have a deep, heartfelt appreciation for those assholes xD

[glance left]

Thunderstorms are a joy to behold   Lightning!  The true inciter of shock and awe.  I remember watching/listening to an electrical storm with my dad on his front porch one evening years ago.  The lightning was almost constant, creating this incredible never-ending ripping/crackling sound of thunder that just kept layering on top of itself over and again.  It utterly galvanized my awareness.

Now, whenever I need to shock myself out of a torpor of the "duldrums", characterized by being lost/pulled away by the wandering inner dialog, embroiled in negativity.....intending the 2nd attention view of a bolt of lightning crashing down in front of me is very effective.  And then, ofc, gathering what was ignited within....to tend to that fire and keep it burning bright.

Awareness

[Pixie Dust]

Pixie wrote:You come from the school of thought that decisions are best left to Spirit.  Not a person.  That's a troublesome position because people are capable of accessing Spirit.  Spirit speaks through nature, synchronicity, and the challenges that repeat until we learn the lesson they offer for our Spirit.

WG wrote: Here it makes no sense to me that you say it is troublesome that we are capable of accessing Spirit. It makes sense to me to say that it would be troublesome if Spirit was INaccessible to us. I first thought you meant to write INcapable, but reading you further that does not make sense either .

I don't think I get the point you are making in that paragraph. It does not make sense to me. 
I was quoting you from the previous post where you said:



I do not decide to act as anything for anyone of my own rational judgment in these scenarios. I can see many a hole in people's awareness but I do not attempt to better them in some major way unless I am either in a formal setting of being their teacher and then I try to guide them to the knowledge that my teaching is related to (with maybe a bonus of the side cause that makes it more interesting for me but that still is only by exposure and allowing the person to think or feel into certain things) or if they are a good friend/person with whom I have agreements in place that we can 'teach' each other here and there. The other time is when this comes from outside of myself, as in the example I have in this thread. 

I do not decide that this or that person should fall either. 
and I see here what you said too:



All one does is allows oneself to be utilized. I know too little to make these decisions.
Initially, I was confused on your stance because you appeared to go back and forth about Spirit being the active role player.  It appeared like you were certain Spirit should play a role, but uncertain as to the ideal expression.  I see now that you were saying Spirit should play a role, but you still seem unclear as to the extent Spirit and self should play in social engagements (and that's okay too).



I have not been in a situation where spirit indicated to me that I should let someone die. Have you?
I have.  I've been a St. Francis hospice volunteer from 14 years old until I left Hawaii.  I've met many who were ready to grow beyond their physical selves.  My mom got me into it when my aunt passed away from cancer--and so death has seemed like a normal part of life for some.  For others, they play a little too near to that fire, too soon.  


I agree that there are decisions and Decisions.


You imply that the aim of the person and the aim of Spirit differs. Do you think Spirit wants someone dead that could be saved? This is a bit too theoretical for me but you seem to be implying this. 
Sometimes I believe this has been the case.  Not the case for all scenarios, but for some, sure.  There are scenarios where one death has been instrumental to achieving mass enlightenment.  The simplest I can think of is Jesus dying--but if that's a bit too imaginative, then consider the child who is dealt death at an early age (whether themselves dying or loved ones dying).  That early impact has lead many to lead powerful lives filled with Spiritual guidance in pursuit of justice, kindness and integrity.  Death is a major player and humans have been inspired to achieve great evolutions from the impact death has on their lives.

[Pixie Dust]

Ignore my post 28 as the quotes feature didn't stick.  Here it is re-written:


Pixie wrote:You come from the school of thought that decisions are best left to Spirit.  Not a person.  That's a troublesome position because people are capable of accessing Spirit.  Spirit speaks through nature, synchronicity, and the challenges that repeat until we learn the lesson they offer for our Spirit.

WG wrote: Here it makes no sense to me that you say it is troublesome that we are capable of accessing Spirit. It makes sense to me to say that it would be troublesome if Spirit was INaccessible to us. I first thought you meant to write INcapable, but reading you further that does not make sense either .

I don't think I get the point you are making in that paragraph. It does not make sense to me. 
I was quoting you from the previous post where you said:

I do not decide to act as anything for anyone of my own rational judgment in these scenarios. I can see many a hole in people's awareness but I do not attempt to better them in some major way unless I am either in a formal setting of being their teacher and then I try to guide them to the knowledge that my teaching is related to (with maybe a bonus of the side cause that makes it more interesting for me but that still is only by exposure and allowing the person to think or feel into certain things) or if they are a good friend/person with whom I have agreements in place that we can 'teach' each other here and there. The other time is when this comes from outside of myself, as in the example I have in this thread. 

I do not decide that this or that person should fall either. 
and I see here what you said too:
All one does is allows oneself to be utilized. I know too little to make these decisions.
Initially, I was confused on your stance because you appeared to go back and forth about Spirit being the active role player.  It appeared like you were certain Spirit should play a role, but uncertain as to the ideal expression.  I see now that you were saying Spirit should play a role, but you still seem unclear as to the extent Spirit and self should play in social engagements (and that's okay too).
I have not been in a situation where spirit indicated to me that I should let someone die. Have you?
I have.  I've been a St. Francis hospice volunteer for ten years.  I've met many who were ready to grow beyond their physical selves.  My mom got me into it when my aunt passed away from cancer--and so death has seemed like a normal part of life.  For others, they play a little too near to that fire, too soon.  

I agree that there are decisions and Decisions.
You imply that the aim of the person and the aim of Spirit differs. Do you think Spirit wants someone dead that could be saved? This is a bit too theoretical for me but you seem to be implying this. 
Sometimes I believe this has been the case.  Not the case for all scenarios, but for some, sure.  There are scenarios where one death has been instrumental to achieving mass enlightenment.  The simplest I can think of is Jesus dying--but if that's a bit too imaginative, then consider the child who is dealt death at an early age (whether themselves dying or loved ones dying).  That early impact has lead many to lead powerful lives filled with Spiritual guidance in pursuit of justice, kindness and integrity.  Death is a major player and humans have been inspired to achieve great evolutions from the impact death has on their lives.

[Pixie Dust]

Being self-important means one lacks awareness. 
Maybe lol.  If awareness is the capacity to hold all APs, wouldn't it be important to hold self-importance too?  If spiritual enlightenment is the key, wouldn't balance make sense?  One cannot have balance if self-importance isn't a part.  Is the goal to be all "light" or "good"?  Or is wholeness the integration of light and dark?  How does a person achieve wholeness if they are missing a part?

Maybe self-importance is equally as necessary as selflessness.  
But then what do you mean by tearing down someone's tonal? You seem to distinguish between tearing down and destroying.  Cause yea, destroying means killing in your definition. When you tear down a tonal what do you do?

Does tearing down the tonal mean killing the ego and the effect that has on the tonal?
I meant the ability to strip away the nonsensical nature of the mind, in hopes of allowing communication between hearts.

Yes, destroying means killing but it can also include a birthing aspect.  When we harvest a crop, the land becomes available for the next crop.  For people, when we destroy an aspect we're also making space for a new awareness to grow.  

Tearing down the tonal can mean killing the ego, but most times it means tearing down a section of ego.
So, I say that the person can die with the ego for two probable reasons: They are extremely rigid (they lack fluidity) and they like drama . Drama is evil 
Drama is complicated.  I generally never use that word to define a person as I prefer to describe them in other ways.  Like... people aren't drama.  People are passionate and care about something and because of this exposure to past dysfunction and their inability to access appropriate resources they remain dysfunctional.  It's so easy to self-declare, "I hate drama!"  Those are always the people who suffer and attract drama.  Drama is the inability to process a situation.  I've been annoyed with a**holes, but not once has drama been an issue.  The notion of drama queens (and kings, to avoid being sexist) originates from a limited awareness.  When we're growth focused we don't see what's divisive, we ask what we can do to unify.  
Instead of saying self-importance links to drama (negative focus), we could say that self-importance can lead to dysfunction.  Realistically, we want people to have some degree of self-importance because we want to encourage self-care; we want people to learn how to take better care of themselves.  If people learn how to take care of themselves, they will have developed their ability to care for others in a healthy and functional manner.
It is a bit funny how you say Spirit was at fault heh.

How are these individuals you mentioned doing now? 
Spirit wasn't really at fault (or maybe it was?)  The water becomes a bit murky when credit or blame get involved.  The few people I was most concerned with are doing much better now  I'm very relieved.  For years this heaviness was wrapped around my heart and that had been building.  Not knowing enough to truly understand the dynamics of each individual made it particularly challenging.  It's sad to see people I love begin to fade closer to death.  I understand it, the desire to "return home".  Nothing compares to the feeling of having one's entire soul be understood.  So, I get it that people are hurting so badly that they want to leave here to return there  Kindness isn't just an ability to love others, it's an ability to understand them.  Yet there are some people who are so difficult to understand.  
It's also difficult for me to see so many go down at once.  I can handle one at a time.  I had a handful going down and that was a huge problem for me.  My personal resources were strained and I began to crumble too.  Ultimately, personal growth and development become necessary if we want to prevent people from escaping us xP  It's interesting too, to reflect.  I asked myself whether I was the problem, were they the problem, and I found out for every single situation it was neither.  Society was the problem and that leaves everyone (or noone?) at fault.  If we zoom-out of dysfunctional situations we see the larger scope of the error.  Like is it Wolf's fault that he's a sexual deviant?  Of course not.  At Wolf's core he is very loving and inspires people to grow beyond themselves.  The layers extending from that core become diluted ghosts of interpretation and expression.  Wolf never said we should be perfect.  He said we should be aware  there is quite a difference isn't there?  Impeccable awareness is different than perfection, though I suppose impeccable awareness can be a form of perfection lol.  Regardless, Wolf's core is solid; but due to external impact from society, his expression of that core is impacted and so his form of least resistance lead him to the creation of Sorcery.  
Sorcery had a dark age.  With a collective influence, Sorcery is now seeing a Golden age of enlightenment.  We made this happen.  Sorcery fought back, but so did we (everyone who stayed).  With enough force, we learned what we were willing to fight for because we become aware of what we want for ourselves.
So yes, my people are each better and not a single person died.  There were a many close-encounters that were not fun :/  I had to up my A-game a few shades to withstand the weight of those shifts so... there were certainly benefits to the experience but f*ck that was terribly stressful.
It was not self-importance that got me to turn to take better care of myself. it was forbearance, politeness, care to all things. I am part of everything hence I deserve care too. 

I guess that is weird lol.
Not weird at all  My self-care comes from self-importance xD  we may be defining the term differently, but maybe we aren't?  I need to ensure I'm doing well to ensure I can carry others should they fall and paralyze themselves xD  In an interest to prevent people from going "home", I strengthen myself, to carry them because I'm selfish and refuse to let them leave me here without their presence.  Hence, I need them.  I want them.  I'm selfish and am making decisions for them lol.  Maybe that's Spirit working through me or maybe I'm just a selfish f*ck.  I don't know and I'm okay with not knowing.  I don't need to know and being selfish makes sense to me.  So maybe it's even both, Spirit and me, working together to be an a**hole.  Who knows, you know?
Before this step, I had to do self-care ofc to be able to function. That is not linked to self-importance either. Just practicality and necessity. 
Can't practicality and necessity be self-important?  I mean, why do you have to live?  Wanting to live is ego.  Maybe we need ego to keep some degree of life force contained in our tonal selves.  If we had absolutely no ego we could just be uncontained consciousness.  If ego is an aspect of Spiritual darkness, shouldn't we keep a component of that to allow wholeness to exist?  Not that we should act on that darkness, but to accept that it exists.  Maybe it would be good or useful to have some darkness from ego?  I suppose for those with too much ego, they ought to limit it.  For those with not enough, they could play with small amounts.  If a balance is key, how does ego fit?  
again you go into very tiny things when I am talking about major things. 
You are not to first to issue such a complaint xP
What you call hijacking is like I said providing an impulse or a gear shift, but it doesn't hijack one's path just maybe bring forth an emotion that otherwise would not have come in that moment.  
You can't know what may or may not shift one's path  what you intend and what people receive is beyond control and full awareness.  For example:
So then I assume that when you say I hijacked your path you just mean in the sense like in your other examples . Which is not that big of a deal really .
When Wolf was here I wouldn't waste time truly investing.  He was a hot Spiritual mess in my perception.  So much chaos and weirdness.  I saw what he was doing and knew it well--and while I enjoy the occasional stroll into Hell, his experience was not my preferred experience.  Like, he was a bus driver through hell, and I already had a bus I preferred.  So I wasn't going to ride his bus.  Not gonna downgrade that experience xD  
But then you pulled up in this weird, shiny looking bus, in hell.  Curiosity got the best of me and I jumped onto your bus.  You were like an angel, driving a bus through hell, without a road map, and demons got on and your response was hilarious--your response to hell itself and the demons--just blew me away.  I rode your bus because you were fascinating to observe.  You didn't care if demons got on with bloody scythes--you only cared that they buckled up, lol.  You talked to mass murderers like they are kids and you cared about them as though they were children.  You were certainly the strangest thing I've experienced.
So I rode your bus.  For a long time.  Then when you drove us into a lava pool, on accident, I decided it was time to rescue you because I'm self-important: I wanted more bus ride.  You give fun bus rides.  More importantly, I saw the need for demons to be loved too and you humanized the demons and made them matter to you....and I noticed how they also mattered to me.  Everyone has an inner demon (and an inner angel), what you did for their demons was incredible.  
If you want to believe that's not a big deal then f*ck off.  That was a huge deal to me.  xP
I do not know why you talk about hope. I mean yes it can give them hope but why say that as a link to hurt? Does hope hurt? 
Come here and step out of WG land for a moment.  Step into Sen land, Wolf land, Kris land, Dok land, Kao land.  Yes, hope hurts.  Hope means we should care--whether about ourselves or others.  Caring hurts.  Caring opens an area up for vulnerability to grow.  For people who have experienced a great degree of hurt, we've learned to seal ourselves off from others to prevent more hurt.  So hope opens the door to ourselves and believing that others won't be cruel to us.  Maybe put on our AP to understand us ....  I'm just kidding, that could be dangerous.  AP shifts to people who are extensively different than your own AP can lead to all sorts of undesirable emotions.  Just.... don't put on our AP but smell us.  Like how chemists never sniff a bottle directly, but they waft the scent toward their nose to get a vague drift of aroma.  Do that if you want.  
If a person did not have hope then they were basically a goner already. Nothing much worse can happen to them in the sense of hope or non-hope than losing the hope they didn't have before. Yea they can fall a bit lower, so to speak, but it is not really that big of a difference, is it?
You're thinking in black and white regarding hope/no-hope.  Think more in shades of gray.  There is hope, then the scales lighten or darken, and eventually, you reach no-hope.  Most people aren't black or white, but shades of gray.  If people reach hopeless then yeah, they're a goner.  
And could one not argue that they had not lost hope in the first place? Otherwise, could it really be rekindled? 
I believe hope can always be rekindled--unless death comes.  Then hope can still happen but the whole reincarnation process really slows the process down.
And say someone comes and affects a change of hope in a person. This person now hopes but this someone lets them down. Instead of losing hope the person should cling to it and create the world of it. - Is what I'd say. 
And that is why you are the bestest bus driver in hell <3
Yea, I also say in my post that kindness can disarm and affect people who are well cold and militant are the words I used, we could also say mean haha.
Oh, let's not sugarcoat it.  You can call us a**holes.  We know who we are xD 
People need to be aware where they live. I was not advocating you get careless with lightning, no matter where you live . Funny about the weasels . 
Lol.  You know, the weasel thing was funniest at Sorcery.  For the longest time anyone Wolf brought in who he vouched for got slammed.  The easiest example I can think of is Shamanka.  He brought her in, and Shamanka I thought really had good information to share.  Her initial intro into Sorcery was well done and she approached Sorcery like a classroom. If Sorcery had been decent human beings that approach would've succeeded.  At the time though, we were a**holes and I watched her get eaten alive.  People were disrespectful, questioned not from curiosity, but ruthless.  It's unfortunate and both fortunate.  One, it would've been cool to listen to her perspective on energy.  Two, maybe she needed more experience with people who weren't easy targets?  She was selling a concept, and Sorcery didn't buy it.  The material was good, but the approach (method) could've used some adjustment (because we were a**holes).  Her technique needed to be adapted to the a**holes she was teaching.  Anyway.  My point is she was an eagle (she definitely had the knowledge to share), but her method of communicating that knowledge couldn't reach her audience.   

Hence, eagles may soar in the clouds--and I've seen many eagles pass through Sorcery.  However, it is the weasels who've survived xD that is because weasels don't get sucked into jet engines (because they pass below the radar).  

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the higher people go, the more challenges they face.  One shouldn't publicly rise until they're ready to get slammed....and when they do get slammed they should have a dedicated team (or person) who is enough of an a**hole to combat the other a**holes.  It's a wonderful Art of War situation.  

xD

 
But would you not have to hold these different APs at the same time in order to assess the situation while trying to not have the blind spot? I think some of the emotions are mutually exclusive - like we said with the open hearted love.
Nah, you don't have to hold APs simultaneously.  I suppose you could, if you wanted to rip your mind apart.  Sometimes devastating the mind is the goal and so a person could hold multiple APs simultaneously to achieve that objective.  Generally, it's enough to hold one AP at a time... or a handful... and then just cycle through APs to build a meta-analysis.  
It is possible to dream more dreams at once so it is possible to hold more APs at once. But to be at this level in normal daily interactions hmm .
That's a cool comparison.  I struggle with that in dreaming and waking.  Just as I prefer engaging people one on one, that's also my preference for wearing APs.  I've engaged groups of people and held multiple APs simultaneously, but doing that drains me faster than the one-on-ones.  So--that was nice to consider
Hate is a condition of the heart/soul like love. Anger, in general, is fleeting and reactionary. (Of course hate utilizes anger and in these cases anger can linger for long times or come by very often.)
Yeah, hate is a confusing emotion for me so I don't understand it well.  I've never been good at hating (not much experience with it).  Lots of experience with anger though lol.  Hate is so draining though--like I have to remember to hate someone or hate what someone did.  
Anger is a stronger form of annoyance. 
This makes sense.  So why can't it travel on a spectrum: annoyance, anger, hate?
Anger is not hate but hate comes with anger. In hurt there is a sense of injury, hurt, pain, maybe shame. Anger is not long lasting on its own, hate is.  Anger is more rational or practical. If something is causing you pain (can be also in form of unfairness and injustice) you get angry and retaliate/free yourself. Hate wants to cause pain without this type of practical reason.

But what to call this bend that needs to happen for hate to come about... dunno atm. Maybe you can help
Something I probably don't fully understand either.  I do have this friend who is very hateful and recently I had to sever my friendship with him (Alan).  So using him as an example, I would say that hate is the choice people make to retain their anger.  Time may the feature that transforms anger into hate.  Hate is a long-term intolerance toward something (people, ideas, etc).  Anger is instinctual--a form of frustration.  Hate is more an intolerance and immaturity making one incapable of processing something (thus resulting in dysfunction).  Anger can be functional if healthy coping skills are present, transforming into understanding.  Anger becomes dysfunction if unhealthy coping skills are present, and transforms into hate.  
Maybe that's a more realistic way to view the differences between anger and hate.

[Pixie Dust]

Caring can be linked to self-importance. One needs to eradicate that link. Weird how that is. 

It appeared because caring too much I had to push further into uncaring and balancing takes time. I always notice it and it is foreign to me and a bit bent. So at least I know it's there and not to act on it. 
Yeah.  That's normal though, isn't it?  I mean, if you're a bus driver and a passenger boards your bus and graffitis your window, yeah, that will anger you.  You put in a lot of care and energy into making your bus an extension of you  Should you care about your bus less?  Maybe not.  That bend may not necessarily be something for you to fix or want to fix.  

Caring about your bus may be something you don't want to eradicate.  Your bus may serve as a bridge between two worlds for many people.  If your bus in part of an elaborate system to transport spirits, maybe you caring is essential to survival for many people.  This goes back to the discussion of whether or not self-importance can be functional.  If it can be a function expression then there's a place for self-importance.  Self-importance can be a means to an end.
There are more sides of this to I guess everyone. A part that is the heart that is caring and a part that is who knows what that is 'ruthless' or like what has that gotta do with me? or whatever else it is that does it that silences the heart
I view the notion of ruthlessness the same as I view fairness.  Fair will not always be equal.  How I treat one person will not be how I treat everyone.  That's because people have different needs.  The degree of ruthlessness and fairness will be expressed differently because some people are so much of an a**hole that they will receive a very rude awakening in the form of a spiritual shove.  For others with a very soft heart, I might just give them a soft tap because that may be powerful enough to knock them over and I want to be careful.  The point is I'll never treat everyone the same because everyone is different.  

  
to the tearing. Yes, when it is necessary and by those who know what they are doing. Like if you need your appendix cut out you don't want whoever to cut you open, you want an experienced surgeon. If you have a choice . And in little things like say wounds from our past and such we do have a choice usually since it's not a matter of a next moment's life and death.
This is very true  If we are to be sliced and diced it's preferable to be crafted by a person with experience and skill.  Sadly, many of the internet personalities we have easy access to aren't very skilled.  For those self-proclaimed healers: if the goal is wellness, are their clients' healing?  I don't even need to observe the clients to know the quality of healing provided; I just need enough time to observe the healer him/herself.  

Skilled healers will draw connections for their clients.  The perception will be growth-oriented and over time the client will become stronger and more independent.  People often confuse being a healer with being nice and that's not always the case. When healers chisel at their clients, they do so with the intent to craft a stronger and agiler awareness.   Independence is preferred over dependence because if a person is independent all they require is themselves.  Dependence is dangerous because why force someone to be dependent on a particular person or concept?  It's a source of weakness to encourage dependence.  Like a backdoor virus (for those who hack machines, but this applies to people).  

That's the fun (or danger?) of running around these circles.  The cult mentality is real.  Anyone who is selling themselves or an idea as the only route to anywhere is laughable.  So yeah, pick skilled leaders who encourage independence and strength. If we're trying to be skilled healers, it's probably important to make people strong enough to leave us because the goal is independence and if we're truly doing well by our people, they will never leave us.  I suppose if we're also successful cult leaders it's easy to say people will never leave us either lol.  Though you can tell the difference between cult leaders and healers.  One pushes fear, division, and isolation and the other pushes independent thought and support for expanding alternative knowledge bases.  

The healer/leader will push for the advancement of ideas and furthering education.  The cult/leader will attempt to limit paths to freedom that require their assistance to reach.  
Different people need different things... and one method works better on one person than on another. This is why there are so many different people and these people can stumble upon those who can provide the needed method. It is great to be versatile and have a big toolbox, but no one can be everything to everyone, can they? . It is fine enough to be good at a couple of things and provide those to the world where these are needed. It is not good though to provide them to everyone by default just cause one can - tear everyone or pamper everyone etc.
 you are good example of a healer/leader.  It's why I ride your bus.  It's been a bit since I've seen a bus worth riding.  I wonder what other reasons there are for my attraction to your bus.  I wonder if I could put an image to this concept of Watergaze's bus... I bet I could.  I could photoshop the concept.  That would be colorful imagery xD 
of course being led by Spirit means that if the Spirit leads you into a situation with such a person (as I say I do not like) that one stays. For this, of course, one needs to be aware of it (I have been at some points of my life). And these people have their uses too .
Oh, everyone has their role to play and a way to be useful for growth  Certainly, I wholeheartedly agree.  
In this sense anger can happen without hate. But hate often uses anger as an expression.
Yep, I agree.  I've never seen hate occur without anger, but I also believe anything is possible so . . .  

I mean, I once thought telepathy (introduced via shared dreaming) was impossible and then magic struck me down and smited my rigid beliefs.  Ever since then I realized that there's a whole lot of **** that is "magical"--rather, possible.  Not all of it can be explained or understood with my limited cognitive abilities; but god damn has it been one incredible journey into the rabbit hole.  All that I've considered magic was merely the manipulation of energy.  Quantum physics says that the potential is available for "magic" to occur (magic being the manipulation of energy in previously unknown ways).  Magic is a science.  Magic is just not understood in a way that we can reliably manifest  I find it very special that magic exists and if we tweak ourselves in just the right way--we can make the impossible possible.

Magic is a lot like love.  

I've found our discussions enjoyable too.  I've always been a fan of open minded intellectuals.

[Finwe]

I love the lightings, air wild like fire, crashing through space branches, fast as time itself.
 When the cool fog comes down, to the earth, they electrize everything and their sounds echoes deep within it's density, that makes the lightnings even freeze. I touched once one that was still like a lake in a deep forest, it burned all away, that is perishable matter.
 Tearing the trees open. Split in two and not; falling to the ground, standing, written off, writing...

[Julio Juliopolis]

Pixie Dust wrote:
Caring can be linked to self-importance. One needs to eradicate that link. Weird how that is. 

It appeared because caring too much I had to push further into uncaring and balancing takes time. I always notice it and it is foreign to me and a bit bent. So at least I know it's there and not to act on it. 
Yeah.  That's normal though, isn't it?  I mean, if you're a bus driver and a passenger boards your bus and graffitis your window, yeah, that will anger you.  You put in a lot of care and energy into making your bus an extension of you  Should you care about your bus less?  Maybe not.  That bend may not necessarily be something for you to fix or want to fix.  

Caring about your bus may be something you don't want to eradicate.  Your bus may serve as a bridge between two worlds for many people.  If your bus in part of an elaborate system to transport spirits, maybe you caring is essential to survival for many people.  This goes back to the discussion of whether or not self-importance can be functional.  If it can be a function expression then there's a place for self-importance.  Self-importance can be a means to an end.
I would think that it would be mo' nagually to care about the bus without caring about it. Make it an extension of yourself? Treat it like a temple? Why not?! But when you discover some graffitti on the window do you really need to get mad? What egotism! Tsssk, tssk. Just remember that sometimes things happen that you'd rather not have happened, that for you to have an opinion on whether they should or shouldn't happen is absurd anyway, clean it up and if you ever catch the vandal cut off her head.

[serloco]

Why not take a minute to admire the handiwork that went into the artistic expression. Maybe with the right intent you can turn your bus into a mural or collage.

[Pixie Dust]

Finwe, that's neat to think about in terms of electrical impact.  Splitting trees, mass destruction.  Many consider mother nature to be a beautiful heavenly figure, but she has an opposing mask she wears.  When it comes to balancing, even the most beautiful aspects are equally weighted with destruction.  Then again, I guess I'm imposing human aspects onto something that is more than human.  

Serloco, definitely.  Graffiti comes in many forms and it could be a work of art.  Artistic expression is great when done appropriately (simply meaning in a space that desires it).  Watergaze's bus might not be the ideal place to toss up some doodles, but if done in the expression she enjoys (that encompasses hope, celestial elements, and joy) then sure, I imagine she might even ask for it to be graffitied.  After this past year, I bet she would enjoy even a few of the darker shades if done well or by an artist she enjoys she's very open minded like that.