Modern Nagualism-What Happens After Death?

[rosygyro]

perhaps it is part of their recpaitulation as their form inturns.they must afterall resolve every human interrelationship they ever hadand those who dream or work with time may be a part of the process.

[Uncle Sam]

No. Those are their energy bodies (double). Understand this please, as we have enough data for it.

Those people died physically, their awareness processed by Eagle (recapitulation with Eagle) (Eagle is the sea of awareness, otherwise it is term for dummies), and from this process, the spirit (intermediate state body, bardo body) rises and undergoes the rebirth - it is only limited up to 49 days.

and what ?

energy body (double) remains of a deceased human being. it lasts aprox. up to 100 hundred years in average man, only people more tied energetically to collective, their energy body can endure more thru memory (i.e. also enduring thru your memory).

sorcery is the immortality project, only the second attention sorcerer uses the energy body to extend awareness. for a toltec warrior (not a new ager) it is automatical, they have degree of coherence. otherwise when we die, there are our energy bodies who cant remember themselves, ourselves..

this doctor collected biological evidence for rebirth. it was even in JAMA, 2004.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Stevenson

perhaps also you know the reincarnation lineages, tulku lineage of tibetan mahayana buddhism, e.g. Karmapa line.

but meeting deceased are the energy bodies.. but also it can be their reincarnations in the spirit world, if they are ghosts or spirit then, or heavenly beings then.

[Uncle Sam]

my question is, how do you feel that your double is you when you are aware of it ? in respect to the point as you will die someday that you will be aware of it, that it will be you then... (this is the warrior from this ontologically functional point). it is a pity that we have not QS to ask finally something except of her attacks we could get some real data. (if you know, QS called her double Orlando, a male figure, and even met her double, what is unorthodox, and very questionable as to her achievement)

i know that double - the energy body is the direct and immediate result of perturbation of our awareness (connected to energy body), it is energetic image, bubble of energy projected from ourselves (abstract one).

it is weird naturally, awareness, cosmos is weird.

i advocate the third attention warrior as it is healthy, but who is so clever and lucky.

[rosygyro]

it was may 1995 that i became severed from my double!I was attempting a bit of astral projection whilst awake..and instead of my intent to travel external and remote view the worlda blue replica of my face unjoined my own and moved out of it..like pulling my face out of a pool of water and seeing my reflection.essentially in hindsight as i now see the cadeceus..i see that the face i saw was one of the snake heads.. whilst my own warrior attention stayed inthe snake i still inhabit.its after a lengthy path that the cadeceus has formed to show what really transpired.
the firend i dreamt of was a remarkable man..he left no energy body
but his quest in life to understand the egyptians itself was an unknown root.vestiges of his immpeccability still occupy that root as no man has yet found them.

[Uncle Sam]

Some people claim that belief in rebirth breeds complacency — you have many lifetimes to follow the path, so you can take your time — but the Buddha's descriptions of the dangers of rebirth present a very different picture: You could die at any moment, and there are plenty of miserable places — realms where it would be impossible to practice — where you could easily be reborn. And even if you do manage to reach a good level of rebirth the next time around, the chances of a good rebirth after that are very slim. So you have to get started on mastering the path while you can.

Then the Blessed One, picking up a little bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monks, "What do you think, monks? Which is greater: the little bit of dust I have picked up with the tip of my fingernail, or the great earth?"

"The great earth is far greater, lord. The little bit of dust the Blessed One has picked up with the tip of his fingernail is next to nothing. It doesn't even count. It's no comparison. It's not even a fraction, this little bit of dust the Blessed One has picked up with the tip of his fingernail, when compared with the great earth."

"In the same way, monks, few are the beings who, on passing away from the human realm, are reborn among human beings. Far more are the beings who, on passing away from the human realm, are reborn in hell... in the animal womb... in the domain of the hungry ghosts.

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The Truth of Rebirth
And Why it Matters for Buddhist Practice
by
Thanissaro Bhikkhu
© 2012

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... birth.html

[Uncle Sam]

If you are asking why you are here - in your body, the facticity of this rebirth is the answer, that you are here in this body is the result of it. analogically, there can be some other being, being you, i.e. you are that being, any being, bearing it, burden.

Energy body is left-over of a human being (energetic footprint of awareness), not awareness undergoing rebirth - impermanent part of ourselves what is left after death.

The point is that energy body is a part of ourselves. To choose second attention warrior option (confinement into energy body) is to be put on graveyard, but the third attention warrior option means life.

[Uncle Sam]

the quality of your awareness, how you shape it, what you do with it as you relate and live (karma), is the substance of rebirth.

[rosygyro]

Uncle Sam wrote:Some people claim that belief in rebirth breeds complacency — you have many lifetimes to follow the path, so you can take your time — but the Buddha's descriptions of the dangers of rebirth present a very different picture: You could die at any moment, and there are plenty of miserable places — realms where it would be impossible to practice — where you could easily be reborn. And even if you do manage to reach a good level of rebirth the next time around, the chances of a good rebirth after that are very slim. So you have to get started on mastering the path while you can.

Then the Blessed One, picking up a little bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monks, "What do you think, monks? Which is greater: the little bit of dust I have picked up with the tip of my fingernail, or the great earth?"

"The great earth is far greater, lord. The little bit of dust the Blessed One has picked up with the tip of his fingernail is next to nothing. It doesn't even count. It's no comparison. It's not even a fraction, this little bit of dust the Blessed One has picked up with the tip of his fingernail, when compared with the great earth."

"In the same way, monks, few are the beings who, on passing away from the human realm, are reborn among human beings. Far more are the beings who, on passing away from the human realm, are reborn in hell... in the animal womb... in the domain of the hungry ghosts.

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The Truth of Rebirth
And Why it Matters for Buddhist Practice
by
Thanissaro Bhikkhu
© 2012
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... birth.html
on the note of Nagual men and people who were WARRIORS in past lives it is important to state that past life power is NOT always usefull for this life!try to see that if in a previous life you attempted a leap to infinity and somehow eneded up being re-born as who you are thislifetime that re-incarnation is not an exact art.firstly.. there are people born inside awarness shells their own previous incarnations made that could test the time till infinity! when a man is born into such a shell he will not always understand that power as it will be latent and in the OTHER!there are people who are essentially enslaved in the power stream of their previous selves.. in some cases if they were a powerful magician in a previous life.. they will spend this life retarded, autistic, or crushed in a family with no freedom.. etc..people who understand re-incarnation do not always care about their future selves as this life is their will.consider your own jump to infinity.. and what you will do to your spirit as you carve your way eternally.. should the universe choose to make a man of you again.will you become a second coat around your new body.?will you allow yourself to be destroyed and start the warriors path anew.?will you try to avoid reincarnation and instead stream forever outside of lif euntil the endzone of our universe?If you were a warrior in a previous life.. but are not a warrior in this life..do you deserve to divert warrior energy from the warriors even if technicly it is part of your incarnatinal stream!afterall we dont want non-warriors giving the illusion they are warriors even if it does contain a westerly teaching!

[Uncle Sam]

good point, but whats the point to be warrior in this regard exactly. Mayans had elaborated reincarnation schemes, e.g. incubators or id Teopiltzin pointed it, just the universe does the transformation, as Buddha warns. however second attention warriors are mostly crashes in this regard, as illustrated by CC books on ancient sorcerers or just graveyard by DJ the confinement to energy body, second attention fixation trap or just demon class transformation for sorcerers thru intent mechanism. QS and majority of you here is the example of this potential second attention catastrophe. perhaps you know it that there is run for the third attention.
so if the warrior is not enlightened entity, the second attention warrior graveyard entity is the result. but answer it yourself individually what will happen with you as you die.. how attached you are and the quality of your awareness and to what extent are you binded, tied and dragged by power/intent in this regard particulary.
but this is general for everybody, as the time for dying comes... hard times then after death of physical body, so i would say here is the result ground for reasons to be real man of knowledge, and warrior means that one is skillful not militant

[rosygyro]

although death is a force i have recognised all my lifei cannot help but want my own death either tommorow or next year etc etc.. to happen the far side of a human assemblage global shiftand so i want for a different death but not to avoid it!aquiesce to death (2)

[Uncle Sam]

well, Buddhist authorities say that rebirth is formed by motivation and the way of the previous life lived. so not to scare you, this is realistic and precise.
and dr. CC said that warrior-sorcerer who fails at third attention has tendency for transfer, confinement to energy body, graveyard.
those are facts, clear facts.
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what is westerly Rosy?

[Uncle Sam]

birth, life, waking, dreaming, meditation, dying, Dharmakaya (dharmatantarabhava) and becoming.. intermediate states are changing from the time immemorial and will go on forever... until realization of completion. thats samsaro, this change. CCs works on third attention evolution into IB and second attention sorcery (confinement to energy body) are special case into this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardo

[watergaze]

thnx guys, rosy and uncle sam, for brining this thread back on track. very interesting read

On another matter:uncle sam wrote: however second attention warriors are mostly crashes in this regard, as illustrated by CC books on ancient sorcerers or just graveyard by DJ the confinement to energy body, second attention fixation trap or just demon class transformation for sorcerers thru intent mechanism. QS and majority of you here is the example of this potential second attention catastrophe. perhaps you know it that there is run for the third attention.
I would just say dont put people you dont know into boxes (even if you do know them dont do that ). It is a process and if followed right it will lead to the right path. We each have our own way of hopping along/on the stones, and on some we feel we need to stay longer, sometimes make a detour sometimes jump ahead on things others spent years on. We really have individual paths and that is the most fascinating.
Some that come here might have experienced and spent a lot of their life's path on the warrior's path, others barely got started (it is not fair to compare them, or say talk about those who just started as if they were nearing the end of their journey). You cant put everyone in the same sack.. i see people on this site judging others and I dont like it, in that sense I am replying to a more general tendency i have seen around the site(s) not just to this sentence of yours uncle .

You mention QS by name, but Id be pretty sure her goal is third attention, as is everyone's who has read the CC books (and has some sense).

[delawaredan]

In my opinion, the first and only rule for this site is....do not be judgemental.

[spiderlily]

delawaredan wrote:In my opinion, the first and only rule for this site is....do not be judgemental.
Good point!  Best to be open and listen.  Cannot hear while judging.

[rosygyro]

OK..A man in ancient times who made a bid for infinity.. but who did not choose to remove himself from reincarnation will be born with a WESTERLY ROOTwhat this means is that the inherant awarness of his cocoon is so rooted in the deep past as to undercut peoples lives in its teaching.a westerly root steers the cocoon impeccablylike a rudder..Its so linked to origin that it cannot help but challenge you to meet your destination/destiny.so a westerly root is the deep deep past..noit the same way as grandad who remembered holding you as a baby is the deep past..but a root that remembers everything alive today "without" choosing to say when they came into existence.. although such knowledge does precede all incarnate.
conversely an easterly root would be a finely tuned potential which is as powerful as the west but is based apon an immpeccable path into unfolding possibilites genberated by the present.

[Uncle Sam]

The position of the body at death is believed to be very important in affecting the transference of prana or life-force from the body. The posture may affect through which chakra the prana will exit the body and thereby, in which of the six realms rebirth will occur. Masters prefer to die in the lotus posture. This is believed to aid them in transferring their prana through the crown chakra helping them to be reborn in the higher realms.

http://www.surajamrita.com/bon/LamasPassing.html

[rosygyro]

a hunter who fails at the second enemy will never become a warrior.It simply is not possible for him to be fluid enough to shift having spent so much time huntingevery sinew every nerve seeks to percieve power or the lack of it in the folly of others.The nagual is severed from such a being.The dimensions of netzach are also lost.. as the nagual inhabits them bodily.warrior screams..

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[Mornings Son]

o GATEWAY o wrote:
its reasonable to me that after death our spirit-personality lives on..

I'm tending to think everyone who dies regardless of the type of death (w/ perhaps a few exceptions) will awaken as from a dream into a world of a more inorganic constitution but I really dont know for certain; the universe could be more orderly than most realize and there could be definite particular worlds that the 'Eagle'(Intent/Infinity) has us reborn in depending on various factors..

its a fact awareness exists, death exists, and we are here, a mystery eternal infinite vast beyond comprehension, I do think awareness/life is ultimately eternal and immortal..I agree GATEWAY )) beautiful clear expressed

[Uncle Sam]

When the two sides of man, his body and his energy body, are joined together, the miracle of freedom happens. Sorcerers say that at that moment, we realize that for reasons extraneous to us, we have been detained in our journey of awareness. This interrupted journey begins again at that moment of joining.

http://alamogordo.wordpress.com/2008/11 ... -infinity/

Only physical body dies. death is gateway.

[Uncle Sam]

I will write letter to QS.

You can contact QS and ask her on anything. QS is just not posting here.

i owe some explanations to QS, QS was always inquiring and inquiring... so it is like that

we have been detained in our journey of awareness.

Arguing with QS about Dharma was negative, but novelty somehow. Dharma is Law, and used as Law for reference.
(edit: merged 3 short posts on the same topic into one)

[Uncle Sam]

i owe some explanations to QS, QS was always inquiring and inquiring... so it is like that

[Uncle Sam]

we have been detained in our journey of awareness.

Arguing with QS about Dharma was negative, but novelty somehow. Dharma is Law, and used as Law for reference.

[delawaredan]

Uncle Sam wrote:

we have been detained in our journey of awareness.

Arguing with QS about Dharma was negative, but novelty somehow. Dharma is Law, and used as Law for reference.
Arguing is always pointless.   But we shall continue in our journey of awareness!