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SORRY....I just realised what i just said about dreaming..
I DO NOT! under any circumsatnces aim to make my dreaming body the middle of all other dreaming bodies.. as if i am a hub of many spoked wheel..... This type of dreaming body unless totally totally made of the nagual is not immpeccable..
as we ALL have the right to be the mifddle of the wheel..
and for me to try to do so.. could deprive other people of their centers/centres...
THE HUB of the dreaming wheel is guarded by the three riddles...
we may all "PHASE" in and out of the VOID at its central position.. but it is no-ones property..
and if we do find the middle we will always be flung off again like a piece of clay from a "potters wheel".. and into our next lesson geared to orient us back toward its deeper meaning!.
My spears and barbs.. hit ASPECTS of myself that WE share.. and do not infringe on others.. or how would we move fluidly as a UNIT? either on a local, global or sorceric scale?
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Yes, I sought you out for help (though I did this subconsciously rather than it being a direct intent) with one of the items listed in your post...as I feared I lost a link with someone but it was only fear and you reassured me, your presence was very reassuring..the exchange very light and friendly. I was in my power and you were in yours, that was very palpable. My only challenge was understanding you, lol. But really I saw my way was to just absorb your intent and understand that way rather than understand specifically all the complexity you presented. Like...after I said lets glue them and you laughed, you then handed me a piece of paper with writing on it...looked like a typed out document. I felt you gave me that as an alternative to the puzzle pieces feeling that I needed more order in word presentation. So I took the paper and looked at it in full...that is, I viewed the entire paper rather then read it line by line...then I said "ok, I understand" and actually I had not read anything specifically so I was acknowledging that my approach is simplicty, and encompassing and through that I can access your understanding which is far more intricate. Then after I told you I understood, you put your palm up and I held it and your hand was very warm. We had a very heartfelt exchange, like a brother and sister type of connection.
Thanks Rosy 
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i wrote that piece f paper four or five years ago...
I dont know how i wrote it , it says about falling off the nipple of a virgins breast.. and then navigating the void to fall off the other!
onl;y the paper itself has been through the WASHING MACHINE..so its all tatty and torn and faded on the folded places!,,,, I keep it as momento of an emotion..
I used to do some very enjoyable painting a few years ogo... they would be a flow of zen mechanics on a single piece of wood or corridor wall!
I know that at the time i laughed a hundred times to a hundred ideas while executing them...
But now they are just pictures flat against the past!
Its less recapitulation..
more like stabilising the past as a SINGLE UNIT.. so that all else that can remain is the easterly nagual womans spiritual form!.
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"I dont know how i wrote it , it says about falling off the nipple of a virgins breast.. and then navigating the void to fall off the other!"
That's funny! And I looked at it and said "I understand" lol. But truly, what I 'understood' from it was "innocence and trust" That's why you put your hand up and I held it and we shared that childlike warmth and wonder for some moments. The open child knows invulnerability in its openess. I came to you with a question regarding being vulnerable...prey to negative intent in the universe, wanted to end that.
Yes, it looked tattered, the paper. Got washed huh? lol
The writing on the tiles reminded me of Tibetan script.
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Or...
fear not the tonal cannot trap you.
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Im hoping that the planete does actually reach a point where the toanl traps you!
I mean it already traps us...
The entire concept of slipping past the eagle is the ultimate dream of not being trapped by the tonal..
our planet is itself trapped.. but there is no real understanding of how..
liminality and grey areas between people , eneregtic attachment and personal paths.. make it next to immpossible for the "perfected tonal" to be reached..
the perfected tonal would be a clear manifestation of individual tonal without any lateral energy ties with fellow men, but it would also require a total Cohesion with the movement of the global time in order to have a ground for manifestation...
I hope that the three riddles can trap every man on earth... only better than it does at the moment..
it would be nice to know when and what riddles you face each second of the day so we could accomplish our spiritual work with each other..
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"Im hoping that the planete does actually reach a point where the toanl traps you!"
While I think I understand what you are saying here..the phrase can be taken two ways. When I say the tonal does not trap me its becasue no matter how entrenched I get, the nagual releases me...sometimes with an gentle pull, other times with a huge blast (collapse of tonal indentifications).
When you say 'hope' the tonal 'traps'...in what way do you mean. How can trapping be a good thing? I do think the nagual can hook us and that's indeed a good thing, as we reside simultaneously in the tonal as this occurs.
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Tonal entrapment or SNARING" is a positive thing because many sorcerers illuminatus and mgicians are not immpecable..
as a consequence their WILL extends into the liminal areas of the human energy collective body...
as it is a status quo..
It is like a bus crammed full of people.. all sitting YOGA POSTURES until no space remains between anyone...
a non-immpeccable person stretches his arms and legs out of selfishness or lack of discipline.. and the people above below , infront, behind and to the left and right side.. are all FORCED into a non yoga posture position...
They may be naturally immpecable but the selfish man has destroyed their tonal position...
Tonal snaring puts THREE LAYERS of energy within , around and about each individual tonal. so that wherever a selfish person "extends" toward or repositions another person...
the repercussions are only felt by himself..
and the immpeccable victim is essentially "given" the power he wastes by being selfish and undisciplined...
what this means is that tonal trapping will keep all power within the liminal zones in the energy bodies of those immpeccable, no matter wether they live a life being manipulated or wether they have all the luxuries of respect...
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thersn a man or woman of knowledge on earth who can argue immpeccably against this style of energetic position or changing power of the tonal!
what are we here for if not to find freedom?
There is no freedom unless our brothers and sisters are unchained from energetic infringement!
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rosygyro wrote:Tonal entrapment or SNARING" is a positive thing because many sorcerers illuminatus and mgicians are not immpecable..
as a consequence their WILL extends into the liminal areas of the human energy collective body...
as it is a status quo..
It is like a bus crammed full of people.. all sitting YOGA POSTURES until no space remains between anyone...
a non-immpeccable person stretches his arms and legs out of selfishness or lack of discipline.. and the people above below , infront, behind and to the left and right side.. are all FORCED into a non yoga posture position...
They may be naturally immpecable but the selfish man has destroyed their tonal position...
Tonal snaring puts THREE LAYERS of energy within , around and about each individual tonal. so that wherever a selfish person "extends" toward or repositions another person...
the repercussions are only felt by himself..
and the immpeccable victim is essentially "given" the power he wastes by being selfish and undisciplined...
what this means is that tonal trapping will keep all power within the liminal zones in the energy bodies of those immpeccable, no matter wether they live a life being manipulated or wether they have all the luxuries of respect...Ok And this you describe is simply the nagual at work. The nagual is undefeated. Tonal is where it shines...
I better stop talking with you for a while... I am starting to post like you , lol!
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the strangest thing is.. I used to be able to spell very well...
I dont know whats happenned..
except i tried to bridge the anglo-american spelling divide..
and ended up just spelling ALL word slightly wrong out of an attempt not to discriminate!
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spellign is certianly not my forte...no matter how hard I try always later I see a misspell.
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official statement- Its because as toltec seers we are being affected by the seventh dimension of our awarness..
It creates our physical moves.. and as we are trying to influence matter through the keyboard.. we have a certain amount of "CURVE" to our typing..often seen as an error (ha ha)
OUR intent itself.. even prevents us from correcting ourselves.. as that is a sociological trait of those who wish to conform to social norms!
The FACT language does not exist in nature creates the NEED for others to communicate beyond conventional means.. and hence interpret your bad spelling as a "happy co-ioncidence of INTENT versus CIVILISATION.
AND listen to your declaration of truth as you stubbornly refuse to BOW DOWN to the establishment.
You are a futuristic emo goth! and will OBEY!
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I was joking about the OBEY bit! but pretty much everything else was said as is!...
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Yeah I like those happy co-incidence typos...agree that its intent.
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i spell badly for two reasons.
1) its the only way anyone tries to understand what i mean!..
2) colour/ color aluminium/aluminum centre/center.... vibration/metal/middle!
I try where possible to avoid spelling of english words which have regional variations.. howver it became obvious so i figered to maskit firther!
DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH SPACE VENTING INTO MATTER TIME VENTING COUNTERFLOW TO THE NAGUAL
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The old sorcerers are wherever they intend to be if you mean what Castaneda called the Death defiers in his books. I see no reason to try to seek them out though..Their world is ruthless and humanity is of questionable importance to them.
Let them seek you out if they want but unless you are very strong you´ll just be a small satellite orbiting around their intent powerless to break away.
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to some Incarnate beingsthe sorceric power bolus is an abberation.
organic MEST perception beats a slipstream jump behind the scenes
Tic Tac Toe- everytime.
life seeks the sorcerers...
they do not seek life.. unless they are vampires.
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But life preys on life Rosy..There is no free lunch so everything must be paid for one way or another.
Would we have it another way even if it was possible?
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An easterly seer couldnt agree with you.
If the universe is to evolve it does so becuase life is evolving and changing.
vampirism and energetic prey/theft.. are forms of entropy within the collective movement of life.
so err no!
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