What is the difference between sorcery and nagualism?

[quantumshaman]

Gonzo wrote:
Oh. Labels.They would be labeled as labels only by someone who fails to grasp their meaning.   If you want me to make it easy for you, all ya gotta do is say so. 

The singularity of consciousness: the state of awareness that exists when mortal self and eternal double occupy a single assemblage point which is ubiquitous throughout all of infinity/eternity
The totality of self:  The state of awareness that exists when mortal self and eternal double occupy a single assemblage point which is ubiquitous throughout all of infinity/eternity
The super-position of the assemblage point:  the state of awareness that exists when mortal self and eternal double occupy a single assemblage point which is ubiquitous throughout all of infinity/eternity.
Non-local awareness:  the state of awareness that exists when mortal self and eternal double occupy a single assemblage point which is ubiquitous throughout all of infinity/eternity.
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The "labels" have now been given additional scope - i.e., they have been overly-complicated with words when the state itself is self-explanatory for those who have experienced it, and impossible to explain to anyone who has not.

[Gonzo]

Heh. 
"The more talking and thinking, the farther from the truth."  But it's still entertaining.

[scout1]

quantumshaman wrote:Gonzo wrote:
What the hell is beyond dualism?    The singularity of consciousness.
The totality of self.
The super-position of the assemblage point.
Non-local awareness.
thats still a limited view..
but certainly one can do his/her best, as to this evolution or expansion of awareness.
but still limited as to the absolute state (of consciousness) of Universe itself.

[scout1]

The more writing and thinking, the more closer to the Truth =)

[quantumshaman]

scout1 wrote:
The more writing and thinking, the more closer to the Truth =)
On that, m'dear, you are absolutely wrong.  It's called SILENT knowing for a reason.  You should try it some time.

[quantumshaman]

scout1 wrote:
quantumshaman wrote:
Gonzo wrote:

What the hell is beyond dualism?    The singularity of consciousness.
The totality of self.
The super-position of the assemblage point.
Non-local awareness.
thats still a limited view..
but certainly one can do his/her best, as to this evolution or expansion of awareness.
but still limited as to the absolute state (of consciousness) of Universe itself.

Still a limited view?  Limited as to the absolute state of consciousness of the Universe itself?
What do you think "NON-LOCAL AWARENESS IS?"  Are you just argumentative or are you that blind to anything but your own blather?  You're starting to annoy me (again).
If you were the "scientist" you claim to be, you would know that non-local means NON-LOCAL - as in... ubiquitous throughout the space/time continuum and beyond.  By definition, that IS the absolute state of consciousness of the Universe itself.
Think before you post. (You should try THAT sometime, too).  LOL.

[WasinskaHeca]

STORY TIME KIDS: once upon a time



in a land not far from here



there were two men standing side by side



both watching a sunset



a disembodied voice asked "what do you see?"



1st man: "everything!"

2nd man:"nothing!"



now lets see what else is going on in the world



a woman apears, she has the most beautiful cardboard cut out of carlos castenada

the most beautiful of them all



she reads his books every day and can recite quotes on command



the disembodied voice comes......but the cardboard cookie cutout truths weigh down her mind...she hears nothing



END STORY

[CI5]

Thanks for the exact story miss Washinsky, i would said that boys and girls are caught like that on the books as well.

[WasinskaHeca]

infinity/finiteness are just two sides of a coin(same as internal or external point of origin)



dualism is symmetry



and we have people making out with their own reflection

[CI5]

Very good remark to the point on the own reflection, dr. Wasinsky =) as opposed to the energetics facts and energetic fields, infinite planes and the energetic fields of infinite universal consciousness

[WasinskaHeca]

CI5 wrote:Very good remark to the point on the own reflection, dr. Wasinsky =) as opposed to the energetics facts and energetic fields, infinite planes and the energetic fields of infinite universal consciousness
WOWZAA! c15 a man after my own heart

[WasinskaHeca]

ahhh but only if one could only get there it would make the walk just longer

[CI5]

well, in fact it is the shortest distance in the universe =) it is just in now and here, and nowhere else, the infinity is right here in now and here in the present awareness of yours. you just look into your mind/awareness/consciousness (thats mastery of awareness anyway) all day long... it manifests treasures in the awareness here and now, so its worth the effort.



then you pass into your dreaming and it is as infinite, if you are a dreamer already (otherwise one must liberate it)

[Guest]

Bacon vulture speaks beyond his word.."meditate" on what you "know'

[CI5]

Thank You for this really critically important note, dear Sikimiwa. One should really know what is one doing, especially in regards to ones life and spirituality. Ignorance poses the greatest danger.



In regard to power/sorcery, ignorance brings death and outcomes (transference or rebirth) much worse than death.

[CI5]

Sorcery=Nagualism.



Freedom.



Sorcery IS Nagualism.



Any other opinion is completely nuts. And deserves punishment.

[messengerpidgeon]

The fringe of self reflective self Awareness does reside closely entombing many , it was said something about fringes and toes , expansion is seeing past the toes , then seeing past the toes past the smoky mirror , then there is more

[messengerpidgeon]

Circles are provided and even self help will become self reflective self help eventually . It's A hamster wheel , and then you find yourself again. You can lose yourself after you find yourself. Reason sided first and cocoon cracked open second to let light in

[CI5]

We are in this space, so the masses and magnitudes correspond to total energetic mass of anything in Universe. this is for sorcery analogy.



The two APs superposition is correct. Non-locality as well.



The correction is the actual total energetic mass of anything in Universe (to QS).



e.g.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_mass



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star#Magnitude



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_star

[CI5]

Intent=Power=Spirit



it is the same. thats correct understanding of Sorcery/Nagualism. Everybody can bet their life on that.





Intent=Power=Spirit. Trinity.





There is no other correction understanding of Sorcery/Nagualism than Intent=Power=Spirit trinity.

[CI5]

The sorcery is using the total energy fields in the Space (like the magnitudes of stars, star have masses and GRAVITY), so we are connected to the total energy fields. (gravity and dark matter are good subject for study)



Magnitude is the measure. but the gravity is the Force.





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i would give anything in the world for knowing this before. Share this knowledge freely. Anybody whoever has read Castaneda should get it.

[CI5]

it is Force. if Carlitos would wrote: USE THE FORCE, then today they would be new seers everywhere...

[CI5]

"The mastery of Intent works for any religious types and New agers." - nemo



:-)))

[CI5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_Star

[CI5]

This contradiction, he said, is the essence of sorcery. To fail to understand it had brought generations of sorcerers unimaginable pain and sorrow. Modern-day naguals, in an effort to avoid paying this exorbitant price in pain, had developed a code of behavior called the warrior's way, or the impeccable action; which prepared sorcerers by enhancing their sobriety and thoughtfulness.