Do you believe that there is an assemblage point?

[Nagual LoneWolf]

One of the many teachings of Don Juan centered around the theory that humans had a energy shell around them and there on the shell was a place that assembled the world around them and made them aware of it. This was called the assemblage point.
Do you believe in it?

[Castor]

Yes, I believe in it.
It is one of the most senseful theories I have ever heard of.
In fact, it is in coordinance with the laws of physics.
Most of the laws of physics include energy, because energy is all that there is.
Energy creates matter and matter creates energy from - till + infinity.
We see only one tiny spectrum of that energy, because our ap is fixed here. If we can move it, we can see more.
Most of us are moving it spontaneously, especially in dreaming, than we have various sensations that can't be placed to this reality, because they are more than this reality.
Because our ap has shifted we feel them.
Castor

''Its a dangerous business, going out of your door. You step into the Road, and if you dont keep your feet, there is no knowing where you might be swept off to.'' J.R.R. Tolkien

[Guest]

Yes!I can see it.It'sarkable.

[Bob May]

I have not seen it though I have seen the egg.
I do not think it is as important to know there is an assemblage point as it is to realize that we are a "microcosm", and an exact copy of the "macrocosm" and that we have access to whatever is "out there".
In other words, that we have within our beings the tools to "tune into" different worlds and experiences.
In my "occult training" I was taught to move my "consciousness" or "awareness" to various places within and around the body during meditation.
This "method" has it's roots in the Bible and "Western Mysticism" of the Qabala.
A different sub-culture, a different school, but another way to skin the same cat.
I would imagine that there are many ways to navigate the unknown. And if there is an assemblage point, it would and does shift as we shift our own views of reality by whatever methods that our belief system makes use of.Bright Flame

[Nagual LoneWolf]

The a.p. is the key to making a direct link with that power that governs the awareness of living beings.

[Aranno Way]

hello, In my opinion on the subject, Yes there is an assemblage point and its very tangible for me and I can tell you some technigues on how to attain it and be aware of it.
I think anyone that has jumped on the path as a warrior must not treat this lightly.
What worked for me is taking hallucinogens to the point to where you don't need to take them anymore and when I do I go into the second attention and establish what I would describe as my position of strength which is a state of awareness that that there is no unanswered questions and my awareness is very flexible and when I go back to it days or years I can remember everything that happened since the last time I reached that point and that would be continuety of thought and memory and has become just as familiar as my normal "tonal" thoughts.
If their is anything that any one wants to ask specifically on how to exercise this feel free to ask?
Aranno.

[dreamways]

Nagual LoneWolf wrote:One of the many teachings of Don Juan centered around the theory that humans had a energy shell around them and there on the shell was a place that assembled the world around them and made them aware of it. This was called the assemblage point.
Do you believe in it?">
Believing or not believing in the AP is of no consequence. You can either see it or you can't.

[Guest]

I see it.
It's everything to the traveler.

[Guest]

jezebel wrote:I see it.

How would you say it looks then?

[rosygyro]

I believe there is a position representative of us on the shell of our corporeal form.
But i do not believe in modern descriptions of what a FLUID assemblage point is.
I believe that for recapitualtion to work..
our assemblage point must carry energetic truth as to time..
i believe that from not doing to work.. our assemblage point must carry a "respect" for changes made counter to recapitulation history.
(change against social conditioning.).
BUT VITALLY.
I believe that there are areas  of human assemblage that NO_ONE can access without first coming to certain emotional and energetic understandings..
and that as such.. like a giant stick shift or gear stick in a car..
there is a PATTERN the assemblage point can be almost mechanically moved about.. depending on the warrior challeneges already overcome this lifetime.
Fluidity of sorcerers if not immpeccable DOES NOT RESPECT the three riddles of man.. found in the assemblage "maze".

[Jessicar.sorcery]

Nagual LoneWolf wrote:One
of the many teachings of Don Juan centered around the theory that
humans had a energy shell around them and there on the shell was a place
that assembled the world around them and made them aware of it. This
was called the assemblage point.
Do you believe in it?">
Believing or not believing in the AP is of no consequence. You can either see it or you can't.
Believing or not believing in the AP is of no consequence.  You can either move it or you can't.

[Guest]

Jessicar wrote:
Believing or not believing in the AP is of no consequence. You can either see it or you can't.
Believing or not believing in the AP is of no consequence.  You can either move it or you can't.


Nice!

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Jessicar..the question was to get answers from various members. I'm not asking the question for myself but to all those who come here to learn about Modern Nagualism. You can see the ap, feel the ap, use the ap, shift the ap, close the ap, open the ap, move the ap..believe in the ap, etc.

[rosygyro]

rdu wrote:If I remember correctly in the book don Juan says that ruthlessness or the place of no pity is a position of the assemblage point...





What are the other positions that you can name?







Some say the assemblage point is just a teaching device and does not actually exist, others would say those people just can't 'see' it and the assemblage point is an energetic fact.
These are positions i have a working "ininterest "
There are three inter-relative positions called MAN, WARRIOR and HUNTER..
WARRIOR- Is a position where you listen to the greater nagual through your energy... and is rather like being chopped to pieces in the spirit world..
HUNTER- Is a position of SOBRIETY where you can see every nuance and defect in your fellow man and view them ruthlessly..
MAN-is the fulcrum/balance between the two..
Should a man be a warrior of the spirit he will favour the position of warrior.. although it is slightly masochistic in quality..
he will tend to be rUTHLESS with himself as a warrior in the naguals flow.
Should a man be a failure against the second enemy.. he will favour HUNTER , as it affords a position of no social fear or consequence and give the feeling of power..
The reason such a man is a failure.. IS that he will view others with such cruel indifference That the position of WARRIOR becomes impossible..If he were to allow the nagual to operate through his HUNTERS level of discernment.. The spiritual world would rip him to pieces..
AS such.. warriors when moved to the position of HUNTER always recognise others as reflections of their own warrior spirit.. and judge as they are judged when in the ante-position.
TO be a ruthless hunter is to create a warrior arena for yourself..
TO overstep the mark is to create a warrior arena too destructive to align..

[Guest]

rdu wrote:If I remember correctly in the book don Juan says that ruthlessness or the place of no pity is a position of the assemblage point...





What are the other positions that you can name?





The positions are infinite.

[rosygyro]

Thats kinda misleading..
The physical form is still subject to layers of manifestation and cLUSTERING aound certain vibations...
the positions of disease are also infinite..
but their alignment is contrary to life alignment..
tHE WORLD OF THE BEAST is a position that allows the lycanthrope to be aligned..
However once aligned it TAINTS personal power so that it is difficult to avoid its color/colour in future..
That connection alone LIMITS possible shifts in future.. whilst you are busy avoiding the obvious positions of the past.

[Jessicar.sorcery]

Nagual LoneWolf wrote:One
of the many teachings of Don Juan centered around the theory that
humans had a energy shell around them and there on the shell was a place
that assembled the world around them and made them aware of it. This
was called the assemblage point.
Do you believe in it?"> Dreamways:
Believing or not believing in the AP is of no consequence. You can either see it or you can't.
Jessica:
Believing or not believing in the AP is of no consequence.  You can either move it or you can't.
LW----
I was responding to your comment via the comment of Dreamways; I should have credited Dreamways with the initial comment.  Yes, I understand you were asking a didactic question.  My experience with the AP is that "belief" in the AP is an entry point to moving it.   Unless you can move the AP, it really means little, if anything, if you believe in it and do nothing else with it.  Action is always the name of the game!

[Nu Lang]

Other important considerations are where to move it and why.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Thank you Jess for your comment, I feel that there had to be a explanation or response. As always I find your posts meaningful and important.

[rosygyro]

PLACES I WOULD LIKE TO ALIGN!



1) nature energy in a technological environment.

2) Abstract mind in a logical environment

3) immpeccable FLOW of power through areas of research completed in order to establish a natural flow within recapitulation of energy!

memory is an arbitary facet of recapitulation. manifesting future challenge based on knowledge instead of social conditioning requires an element of ruthlessness with the self.

4) aligning the wheel of life and balancing matter-energy-space and time in a single heartbeat.

[rosygyro]

DUAL-UNITY-ASSEMBLAGE-POSITION

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Interesting but I would like to hear more discussion of the existance of the assemblage point and how members here view the idea/belief?

[Guest]

The AP can be compared to many things. Channels on the TV or radio, the gear shifts on a car, phone numbers dialed up to different types of people, the 50 states in the US i.e. Planets in solar system, ...



To know you can shift your AP makes you realize there is no set "you". If you are a TV, you can be any of the channels, but you are not any single one. Then you realize in your choices, you can select the ones you want. This would take time to get good at, and process of discovery and recovery, but if you are into this type of thing, why stay in the rather fixed non-sorcery positions like the mass of people?



I've heard it said somewhere here in the forum, a goal is to access as many positions as possible. I found this interesting as a statement, but am not really sure. In one way it sounds like a good idea, in another, is it biting off more then one can chew? I would say not, but still seems a daunting task. I know there are some good basic positions, not basic in terms on being simple, but basic in that they offer much and so are good in general. One is the place of no pity. Its one thing to discuss it as a concept, but to experience this position you see its sorcery value because of who you become in such a position. To discuss it as a concept while being in an academic AP position is worst thing one can do. Because then you think you understand it, when in fact you don't. Its better to intend it.



Intent is the gear shift in the car, or the remote control of TV or radio dial or phone keypad...intent is what enables one to access the positions directly. Not thinking....intent.

[Guest]

Ravenmoon wrote:
 
I've heard it said somewhere here in the forum, a goal is to access as many positions as possible. 
Fluidity.

[scout1]

Something to be experienced rather than to be deluded with linear mind, as with everythings else, its called and coined by late Dr. Castaneda as states of non-ordinary reality.