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I reposted this under its own topic as I feel this post stands on its own. The original post is still in its original location.
The Changes in Nagualism…Becoming a New Seer
With the vibrational shifts in place, and, the focus on bringing the ‘everything’ into harmony ,may I suggest that the ‘nothing’ becomes more important than ever before. After recent experiences with the Naguals collective consciousness. The time has arrived for the intention of the ‘nothing’ as the vital backdrop for the everything, to be known and integrated.
The past, both knowledge and techniques are changing, to fall in alignment with these bigger picture shifts, so that freedom of choice in the future can be present, for those who wish to experience that for themselves. It is not about us, this time round. If we don’t acknowledge the love/truth within the ‘everything’ and the place that the ‘nagual’ plays within the scheme of things, it maybe lost as another mass consciousness concept.
Its not that all the Naguals give two hoots for ‘humanity‘, I certainly don’t on some levels, but I am a freedom fighter for those to come, who may wish to experience anything they desire to create.
It is only my galactic contract, that holds me into ‘the path of heart’ I own that. The carrot for me, is that multidimensional existence can continue in all its glory, allowing me the freedom to reside where I choose, after this time is done.
That carrot is strong enough to pull, even the darkest being into renegotiating their contracts, for the highest good of all. Yes, all the spectrum of Naguals are in agreement, that this purpose is collectively important, despite personal agendas.
Thus the game changes, the tools and techniques are changing
One change noted and experienced, is the methods of ‘stalking’ and ‘seeing’, as the energy starts to flow in the opposite direction.
Receiving in, rather than extending or projecting outwards.
This is what people refer to as the return of the ‘divine feminine’ a balance of male/ female energies ..or in my terminology.. the black/white …electric/magnetic….light /sound…love/truth
Those like myself, who have always been able to see clearly, have to learn the new ways of doing things to be more effective in times to come.
(i'm sure the old ways may still continue to work but will be detectable and obvious, rather than subtle and discreet..therefore less effective)
Once needing to travel and actively stalk, the energies now show themselves despite sitting still. One only has to ask for that part of the “external” to be shown, as part of the “internal world of your whole universe” for it to appear if it is appropriate to do so.
There is stalking which is now totally internal and silent...I will formulate another post on this experienced change.
‘Seeing’ also becomes “now” orientated, rather than predictive…and why?, well.....
If one is not predicting or creating in the future, things cannot be sabotaged along the way. You learn to take your turn, within and for, the bigger picture.
Group energies using telepathy and united intent for change are also being called to form. These will affect the tonal. Each individual however must know and merge with every other member for this to be as clear as it requires to be…integrating each others energies so they become a silent mass consciousness of their own.
Forget leaking energy to those concepts that distract you, and focus.
Do not use old information as a recipe book for truth, but as the foundations of questioning your own knowing and gaining a direct link with Spirit and the nagual alike.
In times to come, it will be your links that will be vital to your intent filled actions, as it maybe confusing as to where you put your energies, as old methods may not work as before.
Meanwhile the process of deconstruction continues…empty yourself to be filled with purpose and warrior energy.
Society has long been trying to subdue this part of self.
See the everything for what it is…a creative playground.
To make your own choices about it, it requires for you to understand this.
Step out, so you can be clear, insightful and useful, in its own upheavals. See each situation as a picture and use your awareness to perceive the highest truth, despite what you are being told about it.
This is particularly relevant to global events and events in the media
Those sensitive to its rollercoaster ride..formulate your own internal constructs, telling yourself what is happening and listen, to what is your concern and what isn’t.
Those in ‘fear ‘of the unknown, place your intention and trust in love/truth (in combination) and perfect timing, the alignment of all your universes and, the certainty of harmonious freedom of choice as an end experience. Whatever ‘****’ we have to wade through to get there, will be worth it.
Warriors unite, be constructive in your community, strengthen ties and relationships with others on love with truth grounds…build trust and confidence in those that you hold dear. collective consciousness is very powerful and as a leader you will be looked upon for direction and decision making. If you don’t know what to focus on, then how can you expect others to keep clear and level headed?.
Those busy with their own battle for freedom, identify your threads of concept choice, that remain attached to the web of creation and drop off, like a spider from its web. If you wish for further understanding, place each and every thread, back into your heart centre until you levitate in the dark…quit ‘flailing’ around and then, your freedom to choose again will be complete. You will not fail, you are programmed with the alignment you were destined to follow…..that’s why you are here. Become consciously detached from the drama and join the evolution revolution. For the time is nearly upon us and we can be ready.
Shamanka
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Feels like a nagual mother...respectfully. Strong nurturing/guiding energy.
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Excellent Shamanka, thank you
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Shamanka wrote:With the vibrational shifts in place, and, the focus on bringing the ‘everything’ into harmony ,may I suggest that the ‘nothing’ becomes more important than ever before. After recent experiences with the Naguals collective consciousness. The time has arrived for the intention of the ‘nothing’ as the vital backdrop for the everything, to be known and integrated.
It just sounds like you are totally stoned out of your mind there.
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so im either too 'absract' for you dreamways or too 'psychological'
Funny that....i cant be both, unless of course i am 'mutidimensional'...lol...(because i dont take drugs)
sometimes what i write, is intended for the internal to come out slowly in the readers conscious awareness at the right time for them. this is the case with this piece of writing.....
if you have a specific question of value to yourself, then ask it...i am not unapproachable, but if it is designed to disrupt the spirit connection then i will call you on it.
if you think what i write is '****',,,that's fair enough and your opinion.....but the truth of such matters will come out anyway. for you to 'see' in the perfect timing for yourself.
change is the only constant in this ever expanding consciousness playground
xx
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It doesnt matter. Only the power matters, and thats personal.
The fact ist that this Universe is predatorial.
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is it? and you like to hold onto that concept and feed it ....as fact...mmmm.
'men' not in balance are the only predators...cos they think its their true nature.like animals....they hold onto it like a little rattle, proclaiming thier instinct as a right to behave in whatever manner they deem appropriate...
Good excuse but not a fact!..
power /energy is.. it exists therefore it is....stop trying to own something that doesn't required to be claimed...you may reclaim it however.......if you forgot you were part of it in the first place.
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shamanka wrote:is it? and you like to hold onto that concept and feed it ....as fact...mmmm.
'men' not in balance are the only predators...cos they think its their true nature.like animals....they hold onto it like a little rattle, proclaiming thier instinct as a right to behave in whatever manner they deem appropriate...
Good excuse but not a fact!..
power /energy is.. it exists therefore it is....stop trying to own something that doesn't required to be claimed...you may reclaim it however.......if you forgot you were part of it in the first place.
Its great when people who disagree with the fundamental concepts put forth by Castaneda decide that they have to join a pro-Castaneda forum and tell people that they are wrong. The name for it is "trolling."
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shamanka wrote  o im either too 'absract' for you dreamways or too 'psychological'
Funny that....i cant be both, unless of course i am 'mutidimensional'...lol...(because i dont take drugs)
sometimes what i write, is intended for the internal to come out slowly in the readers conscious awareness at the right time for them. this is the case with this piece of writing.....
if you have a specific question of value to yourself, then ask it...i am not unapproachable, but if it is designed to disrupt the spirit connection then i will call you on it.
if you think what i write is '****',,,that's fair enough and your opinion.....but the truth of such matters will come out anyway. for you to 'see' in the perfect timing for yourself.
change is the only constant in this ever expanding consciousness playground
xx
i don't try to force nagualism on people who are on angel-this-and-that forums, i just wish you would troll somewhere else.
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Name calling does not constitute a valid argument. I thought Warriorship was about being light and fluid, Not about being indoctrinated and dogmatic. Don Juan often would tell Contradictions to Castaneda. He wasn't lying, but often times he would have to "make things up" in order to capture Castaneda's attention and direct it to where Don juan desired his attention would go. Unfortunately, Castenada got too caught up into the "made up," things that don Juan spoke about and made those things into Doctrine and Dogma. I don't think what Casteneda put forth was definitive in any sense of the term. My dreams with Don Juan have indicated this to me as well... that there is no such thing as "The Way things are," It's Really: The MANY ways things are.
OTHER WAYS TO BABYLON.
Everything you can think of is true. Just pick what your heart wants and go with that. Very simple, nothing more or less.
Take dreaming for example. My heart isn't into not being able to take a **** in dreams without holding the IBs hand. But my heart is into using dreams as a psychic human internet: sharing dreams and lessons with others, and using dreams a tool to guide my life to where my heart wants me to go. I used my dreaming to guide me to my soulmate, And I found her! That's a feat in itself. M heart wants me to share that with others help others get tools to use their dreaming in similar ways... and I did not once get a hand job from an IOB in the process.
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Power is power..
but, good and evil, are separated.
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Eilias123 wrote:Name calling does not constitute a valid argument. I thought Warriorship was about being light and fluid, Not about being indoctrinated and dogmatic. Don Juan often would tell Contradictions to Castaneda. He wasn't lying, but often times he would have to "make things up" in order to capture Castaneda's attention and direct it to where Don juan desired his attention would go. Unfortunately, Castenada got too caught up into the "made up," things that don Juan spoke about and made those things into Doctrine and Dogma. I don't think what Casteneda put forth was definitive in any sense of the term. My dreams with Don Juan have indicated this to me as well... that there is no such thing as "The Way things are," It's Really: The MANY ways things are.
OTHER WAYS TO BABYLON.
Everything you can think of is true. Just pick what your heart wants and go with that. Very simple, nothing more or less.
Take dreaming for example. My heart isn't into not being able to take a **** in dreams without holding the IBs hand. But my heart is into using dreams as a psychic human internet: sharing dreams and lessons with others, and using dreams a tool to guide my life to where my heart wants me to go. I used my dreaming to guide me to my soulmate, And I found her! That's a feat in itself. M heart wants me to share that with others help others get tools to use their dreaming in similar ways... and I did not once get a hand job from an IOB in the process.Agree with you Elias123 upon heart path and IOB. It seems to me that IOB plays with us a game "keep your friends close, but enemies closer''. Sometimes it's worth to play and also it's not worth to go with them into contracts... Let's the silent knowledge lead.
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"Unfortunately, Castenada got too caught up into the "made up," things that don Juan spoke about and made those things into Doctrine and Dogma."
I don't agree, I think he wrote about what DJ said, but its interpretation to say he was caught up in it. I've noticed that Castenda was more a reporter then an analyzer of Don Juan's words. I don't think we should turn away for the teachings to find our own, I think we expand upon them. Eilias, it would be interesting to hear you name one thing CC wrote about that you feel was misinformation.
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i have always felt this is a powerful group consciousness and that we should be walking together hand in hand, each with our gifts and talents for this outcome. creating a really constructive and supportive power base for warrior ship and Nagualism on the web, as well as furthering our own growth and skill base with the members here.
i am answering of why i write about techniques in the everything..some people who are starting out or walking thier path, require to understand how the everything works, how external constructs infiltrate them and basically if they explore the everything it gives them the basis, for either being a warrior here, or stepping out completely and touching the nothing. Bridging the two worlds ...walking as one in the other, is for the bigger picture, of the times upon us...so the information i get and share is from the full spectrum.
I walk the path of heart, of the Nothing within the Everything, meaning accessing and shape shifting vibration into anything, within that for the interaction i am having.
Therefore, others will only see in me what they wish to see in me....if you wish to see the Nagual, you will. if you wish to see other frequencies, loving or not..you will.
I know my true nature, but it is harnessed into a job here and, until that is over, it is your own ability to receive and your choice of stance of perception, that will determine who you see 'me' as...as for you and, in service to this consciousness evoulution,
i will be what you are asking to receive...no more, no less.
In humble service, to the 'roles' I play, Shamanka xx
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I don't think we should turn away for the teachings to find our own, I think we expand upon them. - Nu Lang
Yes, Castanedas teachings could be taken as a basics. And clearest thing for me is that through studding his books easy to learn how to develop a link with Spirit(but hard to maintain). A link, which is truth and love, is a must for every new seer. But if your heart feels that out there is something for you very interesting and especially if spirit points out, then take it with no doubt. Definitely mixing teachings/methods could do tons of damage and mess, but taking some parts with sobriety could help a lot. Even from C.C. books taking everything for granted could do lots of trouble, so even there need to cream out what your heart feels in touch.
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its sad that some people who can't dream with inorganic beings use the "higher road" argument to make themselves feel better about their perceived failures.
its even more sad that some sorcerers who claim they don't dream with inorganic beings use the "higher road" argument to justify their own delusions.
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mothsdream wrote:its sad that some people who can't dream with inorganic beings use the "higher road" argument to make themselves feel better about their perceived failures.
its even more sad that some sorcerers who claim they don't dream with inorganic beings use the "higher road" argument to justify their own delusions. Mothsdream, please read through what I said and quote me exactly where I said that I was taking a "Higher road". Do not put words in my mouth please. I simply choose not to dream with Inorganic beings of Castaneda's type. It is a choice that I have made, it has nothing to do with whether I can or Can't. I could if I wanted to, but I choose not to. There's a difference.
The Difference is a big one for me: I don't need their help To Astral Project, or Project my dream body onto a dreaming location. From what I've read of people who dream with these beings, is that the IOBs are always around, and taking them places often without the dreamer's permission. My dreams have indicated that I can travel just fine without their help... only doing so without their help is more laborious than letting them help me. After all, consciously controlling and Astral and Dream body is like a muscle you learn to flex over time. Babies must learn to crawl before they can walk. As it is with consciously projecting into other world. Our double does this naturally. Ask your double.
As for my dreams and the conclusions I draw from them being delusions... I can assure you my dream aren't delusions. I'll quote you a post from another dream forum I frequent that I have posted.
I once dreamed of a Vampire Family with black markings on their faces,
seated at a dinner table and eating. Nomad wrote me and said he use to
dream about that exact same vampire family as a Child.
I once had a dream about one girl from MM, Where a snake flew out of my
mouth, turned into a giant flying snake and took off into the sky with
her. She wrote me back and said that when she was a child: She use to
dream about a winged snake that would come into her dreams. She said she
had forgotten these dreams for decades until she read my dream.
I recently Dreamed of twoshadows, In my dream she turned into a giant
spider and began eating flies while humming "zippidy do da" to herself.
She replied to my thread saying that a few days before she was at a
theme park where she heard that song, and that during the day after I
had my dream she had a bizarre spider incident.
The other night I dreamed about a DV member giving me a package of
skittles. She wrote back and said that the day I had the dream, she had a
sudden strong craving for skittles.
Last night I dreamed my friend in Red deer was sitting on a car and
talking to his friend about his band. Later on they plated a video game
with lazer guns and may have been killing Zombies. I just talked to him
and he said he did exactly that the other day.
Since then, I've had many more examples.
I dreamed that my cousin's deceased father came to me in a dream when she was looking for him. He told me to give her a message that he was still around, and that she should not worry about him really being dead. I told her and she was shocked at what I said because she had always wondered.
A friend of mine in Calgary, His mother died years ago, and Recently I dreamed he was in a messy room that was his. But his mother also lived there, but I could not see her. I told him this dream and he also confirmed he had many dreams like this around her death.
I once dreamed that I was carrying my friend Nomad's ashes in the future up a hill in Hawaii. I threw his ashes over a cliff and into a wind that carried his ashes out to sea. I told him this dream, and he said that he planned to do this exactly with the remains of his recently deceased cousin.
I dreamed an old female friend form BC had died. The explanation in the dream was that she had MS twice, and cancer and didn't seek help for these things until it was too late. A month later She came for a visit. During the night the subject of MS came up twice Randomly in conversation. And the second time was in a conversation between her and a friend about a medication they had recently stopped taking, and they had stopped taking it because it causes MS. I immediately told her the dream. She was shocked and I also learned that a month before her mother had died of cancer.
I can go on and on. I can put you in touch with these people to verify what I have said. So how is it that I have so many dreams that are so verifiable and tangible in my waking reality later on. Is that a delusion? Just because I did all this stuff without the help of IOBs of castaneda's type, does it suddenly make all these real and verifiable experiences between dream and reality a delusion?
Don juan often encourages people to follow a path with heart.
Anything is one of a million paths. Therefore, a warrior must always keep in mind that a path is
only a path; if he feels that he should not follow it, he must not stay with it under any conditions.
His decision to keep on that path or to leave it must be free of fear or ambition. He must look at
every path closely and deliberately. There is a question that a warrior has to ask, mandatory: Does
this path have a heart?
All paths are the same: they lead nowhere. However, a path without a heart is never enjoyable. On
the other hand, a path with heart is easy - it does not make a warrior work at liking it; it makes for a
joyful journey; as long as a man follows it, he is one with it.
There is a world of happiness where there is no difference between things because there is no one
there to ask about the difference. But that is not the world of men. Some men have the vanity to
believe that they live in two worlds, but that is only their vanity. There is but one single world for
us. We are men, and must follow the world of men contentedly. all my experience with dreaming and the conclusions I have drawn were all based on this quote and path with heart. And I continue it.
As for don juan making things up..
Quote from the wheel of time. commentary on the teachings...
The essence of whatever don Juan said at the beginning of my apprenticeship is encapsulated in the
abstract nature of the quotations selected from the first book, The Teachings of Don Juan. At the
time of the events described in that book, don Juan spoke a great deal about allies, power plants,
Mescalito, the little smoke, the wind, the spirits of rivers and mountains, the spirit of the chaparral,
etc., etc. Later on when I questioned him about his emphasis on those elements, and why he wasn't
using them anymore, he admitted unabashedly that at the beginning of my apprenticeship, he had
gone into all that pseudo-Indian shaman rigmarole for my benefit.
I was flabbergasted. I wondered how he could make such a statement, which was obviously not
true. He had really meant what he said about those elements of his world, and I was certainly the
man who could attest to the veracity of his words and moods.
"Don't take it so seriously," he said, laughing. "It was very enjoyable for me to get into all that ****,
and it was even more enjoyable because I knew that I was doing it for your benefit."
The Wheel of Time
"For my benefit, don Juan? What kind of aberration is this?"
"Yes, for your benefit. I tricked you by holding your attention on items of your world which held a
profound fascination for you, and you swallowed it hook, line and sinker.
"All I needed was to get your undivided attention. But how could I have done that when you had
such an undisciplined spirit? You yourself told me time and time again that you stayed with me
because you found what I said about the world fascinating. What you didn't know how to express
was that the fascination that you felt was based on the fact that you vaguely recognized every
element I was talking about. You thought that the vagueness was, of course, shamanism, and you
went for it, meaning you
stayed."
"Do you do this to everybody, don Juan?" "Not to everybody, because not everybody comes to me,
and above all, I'm not interested in everybody. I was and I am interested in you, you alone
Oh what's this? Don juan admits to "making things up," for castaneda in order to lead him to knowledge. Well my my, doesn't this throw other specifics about what Don juan taught to carlos into question?
And how is it that my friend Nomad, has a dream of Don juan, Who has never read the wheel of time BTW, who in effect tells Nomad that with dreaming he was doing exactly the same thing.
I am tired of your ****, shaman! All your puzzles and riddles and crazy
games, all your bullshit. I am all done with you! Fed up! Stop trying
to make me doubt my actions. I don't care if I am not aware of the
physical state, or if you are some type of dream guide or some awesome
dead guy blah blah blah.... I only had those stupid IB dreams when
guess what? I had them when I was reading your book.
You think you know everything about dreaming.
That
would be Carlos that thinks he knows everything about dreaming. You see
he took what I said, and expounded upon it, and perceived me in his own
way. What he did not realize was that I was referencing a very specific
world that is not universal to all dreaming, but it is a path that he
had chosen for himself. Just as hallucinogens were necessary for one
such as him to be inducted into the wayless path, his perception of the
dream plane, a very abstract one was necessary for him to understand
dreaming. But, what he did not understand was I was teaching him a
perception that was to be for him alone. Other may perceive it
similarly, but not so universally as he so egotistically thought.
Carlos was always fascinated by a new experience, even if it was an old
experience forgotten, but never understood the true purpose which is to
perceive energy not as its truest form, but it's purest form, which is
this:
Everything changes into colored energy.
Now you see me for what I am, a dream character of Carlos Castaneda. It
is true that I am real. It is also true he met me in waking life. But,
I have no physical form. He was awake when we met because of the
hallucinogens he took. He had many dreams and many drug trips that were
so real, they were memories to him, which of course, they are. He had
dreams taking drugs, and when he was on a drug, he would take another
drug in his head, in the drug trip. I am at once a sentient entity, a
collection of thoughts and projections based on plant experiences and
the energy of a multitude of dreamers. But, at my core I am a creation
of Carlos Castaneda, yet I am real.
There right there!
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Eilias123 wrote:
. My heart isn't into not being able to take a **** in dreams without holding the IBs hand. M heart wants me to share that with others help others get tools to use their dreaming in similar ways... and I did not once get a hand job from an IOB in the process.
i thought you were insinuating that you felt dreaming with the IBs was beneath you. that implies a "high road".
i never said you couldn't dream with the inorganic beings. i said some people cannot. i also said some sorcerers claim that they don't and then try to justify their delusions by conning themselves into thinking it's a "better" path. it's interesting which of those two statements you felt was meant for you. what i meant by delusions is not the resulting dreams, but the fact that you believe you actually get a choice to begin with. first, you insinuate it is a better path, and then you make my point for me:
"I simply choose not to dream with Inorganic beings of Castaneda's type.
It is a choice that I have made, it has nothing to do with whether I
can or Can't. I could if I wanted to, but I choose not to. There's a
difference."
i guess where i'm confused is that you think you can do sorceric dreaming without the sorcery....
what you are describing here sound like psychic dreams. just because
you have them doesn't mean that you have done anything more than
amazing lucid dreaming.
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Moth did you read the rest of the examples I posted? Isn't that sorcery in a sense. What do you classify as Sorceric Dreaming? Isn't psychic dreaming done with a form of sorcery? Much of the people who are psychic, use sorcery to enhance their gifts: they talk to spirit guides, they can see energy and read someone's aura, or see key points in their future?
What do you classify as Regular Lucid dreaming? To me regular lucid dreaming is simply Realising it's a dream. Very simple, nothing more or less. In order to have the dreams that I have, It must involve my dream body traveling. Isn't my dream body traveling above the technical definition of lucid dreaming? As don juan says, we always get tricked by words and their definitions.
for me the word Sorcery is a play on words. SOURCE-ery. We are infinite consciousness. all emanations from the same energetic source. Sorcery is simply being able to Tap into that source. Most western people believe that all dreams are is what goes on in our heads. But yet through dreams Anyone can be a sorcerer is they tap into The Source. through their dreams.
You have to remember that Even Don Juan himself spoke gravely about inorganics. He himself only went into their world a handful of times and decided not to go back.
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Eilias...
I asked you about your specific statement: "Unfortunately, Castaneda got too caught up into the "made up," things that don Juan spoke about and made those things into Doctrine and Dogma."
I'm saying that Castaneda has not mislead anyone and asked you to give an example. The example you shared from Wheel of Time is not an example of misleading, in fact its more of the very clarity he is good for, if you ask me. He, in that excerpt is reveling a new dimension to the teachings, it was part of the design/plan. You can't expect him when he just started out to know what was what, and so what happened was later in this apprenticeship he was able to make clear what has been quoted here and why the teachings were the way they were and we made that journey with him and it benefited us to. We too had to be tricked in the beginning in order to build a bridge to understanding. Anyone who reads wheel of time will then be able to begin to put all the puzzle pieces together based on that clarification. Some people won't be able to do that, but that does not mean its CC's fault or he himself was dogmatic.
The task is not so cut and dry though. Like CC says:
At the time of the events described in that book, don Juan spoke a great deal about allies, power plants,
Mescalito, the little smoke, the wind, the spirits of rivers and mountains, the spirit of the chaparral,
etc., etc. Later on when I questioned him about his emphasis on those elements, and why he wasn't
using them anymore, he admitted unabashedly that at the beginning of my apprenticeship, he had
gone into all that pseudo-Indian shaman rigmarole for my benefit.
This could be a case where you throw the baby out with the bath water. This is not saying there are not allies, not power plants, not spirits of rivers... Its talking about the syntax DJ used with Carlos in the beginning that pertained to Carlos's understanding. Carlos wanted a noble savage and so DJ played that part up...and he's telling Carlos why he did that. This passage you quoted is saying, more than anything, that as one expands, the teachings then have to expand with it. Its ridiculous to think we stay stuck on a concrete definition...but it does not mean there is no validity whatsoever to what was said...hence the need for us to expand what we know, by respecting the integrity of the core teachings but having at the same time a flexible ap to access new dimensions.
There are IBs out there, it does not matter the syntax used, the syntax neither validates or invalidates their existence. So you can call them what you want, I say some are our allies and some are not.
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Eilias123 wrote: What do you classify as Sorceric Dreaming? Isn't psychic dreaming done with a form of sorcery? Much of the people who are psychic, use sorcery to enhance their gifts: they talk to spirit guides, they can see energy and read someone's aura, or see key points in their future?
sorceric dreaming involves activating your inorganic energy. you have to travel to the inorganic world to accomplish this. that doesn't mean you have to keep going back and rely on them to hold your hand. as far as i know of, if you are a sorcerer - the inorganic beings will be around in your dreams, and they will also pull you into their own. you think your "choice" makes you stronger, but you're actually just giving the ibs what they want - letting them hang out in your energy without getting anything out of it. it's not like you get to choose if they ever come around you or not. all you have, as a sorcerer, is two choices: first - how aware do you want to be of your interactions with them, and second - once you reach your "critical mass" - how much do you want to do with them. yes, don juan cautions against relying on the inorganic beings. but he had to go through those steps like anyone else and then he made his choice. what he is talking about is that once he got what he needed, he didn't waste any more time with them than necessary.
What do you classify as Regular Lucid dreaming? To me regular lucid dreaming is simply Realising it's a dream. Very simple, nothing more or less. In order to have the dreams that I have, It must involve my dream body traveling. Isn't my dream body traveling above the technical definition of lucid dreaming? As don juan says, we always get tricked by words and their definitions.
regular lucid dreaming is waking up within a dream and then controlling the dream. it's not "simply realising it's a dream". if you're awake in a dream and dream you visit the moon, or france, or your dead relatives, you can still be at the first gate of dreaming. a person could spend a lifetime dreaming at the first gate and convince themselves of all of the things they've seen without actually doing much of anything in terms of power. what is it that makes you think your dream body is travelling? i don't see any indication that your dreaming body is moving at all, but maybe i'm not understanding.
for me the word Sorcery is a play on words. SOURCE-ery. We are infinite consciousness. all emanations from the same energetic source. Sorcery is simply being able to Tap into that source. Most western people believe that all dreams are is what goes on in our heads. But yet through dreams Anyone can be a sorcerer is they tap into The Source. through their dreams.
anyone can learn to lucid dream.
not just anyone can be a sorcerer.
thats like saying anyone can learn to be Asian.
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Well ok fine then Moth... You said that you don't think I am traveling out of body... You didn't read my dream experiences that predicted things with real people. And dream sharing, which requires, at least one person leaving their physical body behind. How do you then explain Astral projection, which people have done without the use of Inorganic beings.
Please moth Read again my examples. I'll even post them again. Read them.. don't willfully ignore it.
I once dreamed of a Vampire Family with black markings on their faces, seated at a dinner table and eating. Nomad wrote me and said he use to dream about that exact same vampire family as a Child.
I once had a dream about one girl from MM, Where a snake flew out of my mouth, turned into a giant flying snake and took off into the sky with her. She wrote me back and said that when she was a child: She use to dream about a winged snake that would come into her dreams. She said she had forgotten these dreams for decades until she read my dream.
I recently Dreamed of twoshadows, In my dream she turned into a giant spider and began eating flies while humming "zippidy do da" to herself. She replied to my thread saying that a few days before she was at a theme park where she heard that song, and that during the day after I had my dream she had a bizarre spider incident.
The other night I dreamed about a DV member giving me a package of skittles. She wrote back and said that the day I had the dream, she had a sudden strong craving for skittles.
Last night I dreamed my friend in Red deer was sitting on a car and talking to his friend about his band. Later on they plated a video game with lazer guns and may have been killing Zombies. I just talked to him and he said he did exactly that the other day.
Since then, I've had many more examples.
I dreamed that my cousin's deceased father came to me in a dream when she was looking for him. He told me to give her a message that he was still around, and that she should not worry about him really being dead. I told her and she was shocked at what I said because she had always wondered.
A friend of mine in Calgary, His mother died years ago, and Recently I dreamed he was in a messy room that was his. But his mother also lived there, but I could not see her. I told him this dream and he also confirmed he had many dreams like this around her death.
I once dreamed that I was carrying my friend Nomad's ashes in the future up a hill in Hawaii. I threw his ashes over a cliff and into a wind that carried his ashes out to sea. I told him this dream, and he said that he planned to do this exactly with the remains of his recently deceased cousin.
I dreamed an old female friend form BC had died. The explanation in the dream was that she had MS twice, and cancer and didn't seek help for these things until it was too late. A month later She came for a visit. During the night the subject of MS came up twice Randomly in conversation. And the second time was in a conversation between her and a friend about a medication they had recently stopped taking, and they had stopped taking it because it causes MS. I immediately told her the dream. She was shocked and I also learned that a month before her mother had died of cancer.
Explain these away please, how is this possible without me leaving my body when I am asleep in one form or another?
Also read these threads: http://www.dreamviews.com/blog.php?32959
http://www.dreamviews.com...-moon-84188/#post1178987
Ok, please Read through these and tell me how shared dreaming is possible, when a lot of these people have never gone through Gates with inorganics? All these shared dreams must involve someone leaving their dream body. How is this possible? Explain this please.
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i did read your examples. obviously, we diverge on our definitions of sorcery. i still dont agree with your interpretation of what is happening in your dreams, but whatever - they're your dreams.... i really don't agree with your interpretation of sorcery, or that you are telling people that they can practice it without activating their inorganic energy - that seems like it's going to lead people down a really convoluted path. the only reason i said anything was because i don't think that it's fair to do this. i'm fine with leaving it at that.
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Nagual LoneWolf wrote:I reposted this under its own topic as I feel this post stands on its own. The original post is still in its original location.
The Changes in Nagualism…Becoming a New Seer
With the vibrational shifts in place, and, the focus on bringing the ‘everything’ into harmony ,may I suggest that the ‘nothing’ becomes more important than ever before. After recent experiences with the Naguals collective consciousness. The time has arrived for the intention of the ‘nothing’ as the vital backdrop for the everything, to be known and integrated.
The past, both knowledge and techniques are changing, to fall in alignment with these bigger picture shifts, so that freedom of choice in the future can be present, for those who wish to experience that for themselves. It is not about us, this time round. If we don’t acknowledge the love/truth within the ‘everything’ and the place that the ‘nagual’ plays within the scheme of things, it maybe lost as another mass consciousness concept.
Its not that all the Naguals give two hoots for ‘humanity‘, I certainly don’t on some levels, but I am a freedom fighter for those to come, who may wish to experience anything they desire to create.
It is only my galactic contract, that holds me into ‘the path of heart’ I own that. The carrot for me, is that multidimensional existence can continue in all its glory, allowing me the freedom to reside where I choose, after this time is done.
That carrot is strong enough to pull, even the darkest being into renegotiating their contracts, for the highest good of all. Yes, all the spectrum of Naguals are in agreement, that this purpose is collectively important, despite personal agendas.
Thus the game changes, the tools and techniques are changing
One change noted and experienced, is the methods of ‘stalking’ and ‘seeing’, as the energy starts to flow in the opposite direction.
Receiving in, rather than extending or projecting outwards.
This is what people refer to as the return of the ‘divine feminine’ a balance of male/ female energies ..or in my terminology.. the black/white …electric/magnetic….light /sound…love/truth
Those like myself, who have always been able to see clearly, have to learn the new ways of doing things to be more effective in times to come.
(i'm sure the old ways may still continue to work but will be detectable and obvious, rather than subtle and discreet..therefore less effective)
Once needing to travel and actively stalk, the energies now show themselves despite sitting still. One only has to ask for that part of the “external” to be shown, as part of the “internal world of your whole universe” for it to appear if it is appropriate to do so.
There is stalking which is now totally internal and silent...I will formulate another post on this experienced change.
‘Seeing’ also becomes “now” orientated, rather than predictive…and why?, well.....
If one is not predicting or creating in the future, things cannot be sabotaged along the way. You learn to take your turn, within and for, the bigger picture.
Group energies using telepathy and united intent for change are also being called to form. These will affect the tonal. Each individual however must know and merge with every other member for this to be as clear as it requires to be…integrating each others energies so they become a silent mass consciousness of their own.
Forget leaking energy to those concepts that distract you, and focus.
Do not use old information as a recipe book for truth, but as the foundations of questioning your own knowing and gaining a direct link with Spirit and the nagual alike.
In times to come, it will be your links that will be vital to your intent filled actions, as it maybe confusing as to where you put your energies, as old methods may not work as before.
Meanwhile the process of deconstruction continues…empty yourself to be filled with purpose and warrior energy.
Society has long been trying to subdue this part of self.
See the everything for what it is…a creative playground.
To make your own choices about it, it requires for you to understand this.
Step out, so you can be clear, insightful and useful, in its own upheavals. See each situation as a picture and use your awareness to perceive the highest truth, despite what you are being told about it.
This is particularly relevant to global events and events in the media
Those sensitive to its rollercoaster ride..formulate your own internal constructs, telling yourself what is happening and listen, to what is your concern and what isn’t.
Those in ‘fear ‘of the unknown, place your intention and trust in love/truth (in combination) and perfect timing, the alignment of all your universes and, the certainty of harmonious freedom of choice as an end experience. Whatever ‘****’ we have to wade through to get there, will be worth it.
Warriors unite, be constructive in your community, strengthen ties and relationships with others on love with truth grounds…build trust and confidence in those that you hold dear. collective consciousness is very powerful and as a leader you will be looked upon for direction and decision making. If you don’t know what to focus on, then how can you expect others to keep clear and level headed?.
Those busy with their own battle for freedom, identify your threads of concept choice, that remain attached to the web of creation and drop off, like a spider from its web. If you wish for further understanding, place each and every thread, back into your heart centre until you levitate in the dark…quit ‘flailing’ around and then, your freedom to choose again will be complete. You will not fail, you are programmed with the alignment you were destined to follow…..that’s why you are here. Become consciously detached from the drama and join the evolution revolution. For the time is nearly upon us and we can be ready.
ShamankaNow that is indeed as profound and as deep as a tiny, dirty, muddy puddle  .
I bet she saw all this while dreaming on what love could be however this is another leader, that" knows" and "sees" beyond and beyond beyond the sky that just is and goes on and on ( to paraphrase a series i was keen on following called Taken). Gathering all troupes as if it was some kind of youthful general preparing for the great battle claiming that it has knowledge and power, encouraging others to follow like a leader it may be. Yet i smell this being gathered knowledge from another amongst the personal " Nr @", and spread it along with it's personal and terrible loss of contact with reality to make itself appear as plausible. Desperately looking for validation and i would say desperately needing attention as if something this silly would be able to reach someone's consciousness except by leeching on it's awareness.
I have noticed something peculiar: before i am here this place is swarming with nagual women and female warriors, when i come all disappear until my presence is declared as not required anymore. Strange, yet it does not mean that their energy cannot be traced to the itsy bitsy void cocoon that emanated such words of wisdom, sometimes to it's previous existence as well.
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Nagual LoneWolf wrote:I reposted this under its own topic as I feel this post stands on its own. The original post is still in its original location.
The Changes in Nagualism…Becoming a New Seer
With the vibrational shifts in place, and, the focus on bringing the ‘everything’ into harmony ,may I suggest that the ‘nothing’ becomes more important than ever before. After recent experiences with the Naguals collective consciousness. The time has arrived for the intention of the ‘nothing’ as the vital backdrop for the everything, to be known and integrated.
The past, both knowledge and techniques are changing, to fall in alignment with these bigger picture shifts, so that freedom of choice in the future can be present, for those who wish to experience that for themselves. It is not about us, this time round. If we don’t acknowledge the love/truth within the ‘everything’ and the place that the ‘nagual’ plays within the scheme of things, it maybe lost as another mass consciousness concept.
Its not that all the Naguals give two hoots for ‘humanity‘, I certainly don’t on some levels, but I am a freedom fighter for those to come, who may wish to experience anything they desire to create.
It is only my galactic contract, that holds me into ‘the path of heart’ I own that. The carrot for me, is that multidimensional existence can continue in all its glory, allowing me the freedom to reside where I choose, after this time is done.
That carrot is strong enough to pull, even the darkest being into renegotiating their contracts, for the highest good of all. Yes, all the spectrum of Naguals are in agreement, that this purpose is collectively important, despite personal agendas.
Thus the game changes, the tools and techniques are changing
One change noted and experienced, is the methods of ‘stalking’ and ‘seeing’, as the energy starts to flow in the opposite direction.
Receiving in, rather than extending or projecting outwards.
This is what people refer to as the return of the ‘divine feminine’ a balance of male/ female energies ..or in my terminology.. the black/white …electric/magnetic….light /sound…love/truth
Those like myself, who have always been able to see clearly, have to learn the new ways of doing things to be more effective in times to come.
(i'm sure the old ways may still continue to work but will be detectable and obvious, rather than subtle and discreet..therefore less effective)
Once needing to travel and actively stalk, the energies now show themselves despite sitting still. One only has to ask for that part of the “external” to be shown, as part of the “internal world of your whole universe” for it to appear if it is appropriate to do so.
There is stalking which is now totally internal and silent...I will formulate another post on this experienced change.
‘Seeing’ also becomes “now” orientated, rather than predictive…and why?, well.....
If one is not predicting or creating in the future, things cannot be sabotaged along the way. You learn to take your turn, within and for, the bigger picture.
Group energies using telepathy and united intent for change are also being called to form. These will affect the tonal. Each individual however must know and merge with every other member for this to be as clear as it requires to be…integrating each others energies so they become a silent mass consciousness of their own.
Forget leaking energy to those concepts that distract you, and focus.
Do not use old information as a recipe book for truth, but as the foundations of questioning your own knowing and gaining a direct link with Spirit and the nagual alike.
In times to come, it will be your links that will be vital to your intent filled actions, as it maybe confusing as to where you put your energies, as old methods may not work as before.
Meanwhile the process of deconstruction continues…empty yourself to be filled with purpose and warrior energy.
Society has long been trying to subdue this part of self.
See the everything for what it is…a creative playground.
To make your own choices about it, it requires for you to understand this.
Step out, so you can be clear, insightful and useful, in its own upheavals. See each situation as a picture and use your awareness to perceive the highest truth, despite what you are being told about it.
This is particularly relevant to global events and events in the media
Those sensitive to its rollercoaster ride..formulate your own internal constructs, telling yourself what is happening and listen, to what is your concern and what isn’t.
Those in ‘fear ‘of the unknown, place your intention and trust in love/truth (in combination) and perfect timing, the alignment of all your universes and, the certainty of harmonious freedom of choice as an end experience. Whatever ‘****’ we have to wade through to get there, will be worth it.
Warriors unite, be constructive in your community, strengthen ties and relationships with others on love with truth grounds…build trust and confidence in those that you hold dear. collective consciousness is very powerful and as a leader you will be looked upon for direction and decision making. If you don’t know what to focus on, then how can you expect others to keep clear and level headed?.
Those busy with their own battle for freedom, identify your threads of concept choice, that remain attached to the web of creation and drop off, like a spider from its web. If you wish for further understanding, place each and every thread, back into your heart centre until you levitate in the dark…quit ‘flailing’ around and then, your freedom to choose again will be complete. You will not fail, you are programmed with the alignment you were destined to follow…..that’s why you are here. Become consciously detached from the drama and join the evolution revolution. For the time is nearly upon us and we can be ready.
ShamankaNow that is indeed as profound and as deep as a tiny, dirty, muddy puddle .
I
bet she saw all this while dreaming on what love could be however this
is another leader, that" knows" and "sees" beyond and beyond beyond the
sky that just is and goes on and on ( to paraphrase a series i was keen
on following called Taken). Gathering all troupes as if it was some kind
of youthful general preparing for the great battle claiming that it has
knowledge and power, encouraging others to follow like a leader it may
be. Yet i smell this being gathered knowledge from another amongst the
personal " Nr @", and spread it along with it's personal and terrible
loss of contact with reality to make itself appear as plausible.
Desperately looking for validation and i would say desperately needing
attention as if something this silly would be able to reach into
someone's consciousness in any way but leeching on it's awareness.
I
have noticed something peculiar: before i am here this place is
swarming with nagual women and female warriors, when i come all
disappear until my presence is declared as not required anymore( or some imagine they did that possible).
Strange, yet it does not mean that their energy cannot be traced to the
itsy bitsy void cocoon that emanated such words of wisdom, sometimes to
it's previous existence as well.
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