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Ravenmoon wrote:...why put such a high value on cleverness and witticism and see it as an accomplishment when its only social applause?Because I like being entertained. Drivel and pointless illogical argument is not entertaining, however, sometimes witty combat can be. If you're here for any other purpose, I suggest its a fallacy. "The Work", if there truly is such a thing, is like prayer...best done in private without an audience to admire your accomplishments.
Ravenmoon wrote:Looking for significant writing?Not in any Internet Forum, although I'm sometimes surprised.
Ravenmoon wrote: Rather... one can perceive the significance of anything/everything. What does it mean to YOU?It means nothing. It serves as entertainment.
"Ravenmoon Wrote:For example...what do Sacateca's posts mean to you Gonzo? They mean what he expects them to mean - an opportunity for combat. If you bother to read what he writes, that's his primary purpose. Apparently he chooses not to engage with me, which is his choice. The last thing Sacateca wants, however, is to be ignored. In that, he is rather successful, but moreso on his "home" forum.
Ravenmoon wrote: You suggest he write differently, if he wrote differently how would that change you? Do you even consider change in you, or is it only him you see as needing to change?I don't expect Sacateca to change anything...why should he? The purpose of my post at him was to see if he wanted to engage in some combat. He declined. Instead, it appears, you decided to engage.
In regard change, nobody changes. The best anyone can do is manage to reveal himself to himself, what don Juan called achieving the totality of self. That total uncovering of self does not change self...it is enlightenment in its true form.
Ravenmoon wrote: Its like with Churchill, he could have had a very unusual response to that woman, instead he chose a known way of responding. Everyone got the joke and nothing was really discovered that was any different then what was already known.You missed the point entirely. A siris asked the meaning of "Brevity is the soul of wit" and I used Churchill's response as an example. Perhaps you might provide your own understanding of the meaning of the phrase.
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Gonzo, I'm saying consider realities outside the ones you already know. To do this one has to first look at themselves and their reactions and wonder why they have such reactions and consider what other options are there.
You say I missed the point entirely....in a way you are right, because I was not trying to follow up on the meaning of the phrase. I was not trying to see Shakespeare point...which is why I said there is more then one way to view things. Explaning why brevity is the soul of wit...one can do that, or one can use their attention in other ways.
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Ravenmoon wrote:Gonzo, I'm saying consider realities outside the ones you already know. To do this one has to first look at themselves and their reactions and wonder why they have such reactions and consider what other options are there.Which realities do you presume I've not explored? I suspect I have looked at many more aspects of my own reactions and considered many more options than have you. But that's just comparing inventories. Perhaps what is more relevant is what has been learned.
Ravenmoon wrote:You say I missed the point entirely....in a way you are right, because I was not trying to follow up on the meaning of the phrase. I was not trying to see Shakespeare point...which is why I said there is more then one way to view things. Explaining why brevity is the soul of wit...one can do that, or one can use their attention in other ways.True. One can use their attention in other ways, however, the purpose of that discussion was not a matter of attention, but a matter of definition.
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Look, if you guys are going to continue to hijack this thread to create off-topic posts I'm going to complain about you to LoneWolf and your posts will most probably disappear.
CREATE YOUR OWN GODDAMN THREAD, OKAY?
Asshos
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Gonzo wrote:A siris wrote:
The purpose of life is to post on internet forums!
You mean it's not?
It very well could be. What do you think?
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I think we need to ask Sacateca. He's feeling hijacked, regardless that none of his posts are on topic.
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If you're not going to make intelligent commentary on the posts I share here
GET YOUR OWN THREAD!!
HIT THE ROAD!!!
Thanks
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None of your posts have anything to do with the purpose of life, which I believe is the title of the thread.
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We are making the thread better!
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I certainly thought so...but then considering the author, that doesn't say much.
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Gonzo wrote:Ravenmoon wrote:Gonzo, I'm saying consider realities outside the ones you already know. To do this one has to first look at themselves and their reactions and wonder why they have such reactions and consider what other options are there.Which realities do you presume I've not explored? I suspect I have looked at many more aspects of my own reactions and considered many more options than have you. But that's just comparing inventories. Perhaps what is more relevant is what has been learned.
Ravenmoon wrote:You say I missed the point entirely....in a way you are right, because I was not trying to follow up on the meaning of the phrase. I was not trying to see Shakespeare point...which is why I said there is more then one way to view things. Explaining why brevity is the soul of wit...one can do that, or one can use their attention in other ways.True. One can use their attention in other ways, however, the purpose of that discussion was not a matter of attention, but a matter of definition.
First off, I'm not telling you what to do nor judging you. I'm saying consider beyond what many people accept as limits of perception, which becomes perceptions as generally accepted.
This is a Nagual forum, so other realities to consider would be personal experiences that would be deemed 'impossible' to some...called supernatural or considered 'magic'.
This thread has 'no purpose of discussion' it is open to anyone who wants to contribute their perspective. The sub-forum is called Modern Nagualism, so exploring options of perception applies as well.
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Ravenmoon wrote:...I'm saying consider realities outside the ones you already know. To do this one has to first look at themselves and their reactions and wonder why they have such reactions and consider what other options are there.
Your threads are the best threads *wink wink* so you can't blame everyone for wanting to post on them ! If we are hijacking your thread, where was the thread going, and where are we now taking it?
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No one is hijacking it. It's a thread Sacateca started...so my thread??
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Oh...I thought you were challenging me to a fight to the death.
dang...that was supposed to have embedded a YT link...lets try this
http://youtu.be/Sv5iEK-IEzw
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Gonzo wrote:None of your posts have anything to do with the purpose of life, which I believe is the title of the thread.
Your post hurts my brain...you have too many rules...stop.
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Gonzo wrote:Ravenmoon wrote:For example...what do Sacateca's posts mean to you Gonzo?They mean what he expects them to mean - an opportunity for combat. If you bother to read what he writes, that's his primary purpose. Apparently he chooses not to engage with me, which is his choice. The last thing Sacateca wants, however, is to be ignored. In that, he is rather successful, but moreso on his "home" forum.
Ravenmoon wrote: You suggest he write differently, if he wrote differently how would that change you? Do you even consider change in you, or is it only him you see as needing to change?I don't expect Sacateca to change anything...why should he? The purpose of my post at him was to see if he wanted to engage in some combat. He declined. Instead, it appears, you decided to engage.
In regard change, nobody changes. The best anyone can do is manage to reveal himself to himself, what don Juan called achieving the totality of self. That total uncovering of self does not change self...it is enlightenment in its true form.
Your posts are utter nonsense Gonzo. You say his posts are meaningless entertainment, however, you may not see it yet, but your interpretation ^ is filled with the meaning it has for you...the meaning you have given it. Yet you don't know what he intended, felt, or wanted. Your assumption that he wanted combat is a reflection of what is inside you. His unwillingness to engage in combat with you is a pretty clear indicator that combat was not something he wanted...seems you were wrong.
What the f do you mean revealing himself to himself...DJ said cut the chains of self reflection...go back and do your homework. Enlightenment is the transcendence of self, the overcoming of the need to obsess on the self.
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I believe. God does not belong to any one religion. God is Love. My
religion is Love.
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BarefootInTheSand wrote:Enlightenment is the transcendence of self, the overcoming of the need to obsess on the self.
Can you say more on this?
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BarefootInTheSand wrote:Gonzo wrote:Ravenmoon wrote:For example...what do Sacateca's posts mean to you Gonzo?They mean what he expects them to mean - an opportunity for combat. If you bother to read what he writes, that's his primary purpose. Apparently he chooses not to engage with me, which is his choice. The last thing Sacateca wants, however, is to be ignored. In that, he is rather successful, but moreso on his "home" forum.
Ravenmoon wrote: You suggest he write differently, if he wrote differently how would that change you? Do you even consider change in you, or is it only him you see as needing to change?I don't expect Sacateca to change anything...why should he? The purpose of my post at him was to see if he wanted to engage in some combat. He declined. Instead, it appears, you decided to engage.
In regard change, nobody changes. The best anyone can do is manage to reveal himself to himself, what don Juan called achieving the totality of self. That total uncovering of self does not change self...it is enlightenment in its true form.
Your posts are utter nonsense Gonzo. You say his posts are meaningless entertainment, however, you may not see it yet, but your interpretation ^ is filled with the meaning it has for you...the meaning you have given it. Yet you don't know what he intended, felt, or wanted. Your assumption that he wanted combat is a reflection of what is inside you. His unwillingness to engage in combat with you is a pretty clear indicator that combat was not something he wanted...seems you were wrong.
What the f do you mean revealing himself to himself...DJ said cut the chains of self reflection...go back and do your homework. Enlightenment is the transcendence of self, the overcoming of the need to obsess on the self.
Hi, barefoot...
Let me say, IMHO, Sacateca (aka Sid, aka Sidarthur, et al) has as a sole purpose, combat. I say that because I've read a good deal of his stuff on this forum and others and what he says is usually controversial garbage and when others confront him, he does his best to insult them. If you doubt that, check him out on yuku.sustainedreaction.com.
and re enlightenment, I disagree...it is the ultimate exaltation of self. I might ask you who becomes enlightened...who pursues enlightenment? and why?
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Okay, you asked for it!!
Wait. I didn't see Barefoot's responses before.
I share the posts from the SR forum here in case I get banned from SR and also in the hopes that you people here can make some intelligent commentary on them and give me something to think about. Most of the people posting at SR are so kunckleheaded dumb...don't even get me started.
I'll try asking you nicely to please address the posts I share here and correct me if you can. If you can I will change my point of view. Just saying I'm crazy without offering any evidence of this from my posts doesn't help anyone so don't do it, okay. If you think I am crazy quote the parts of the posts that convince you of this and I honestly will consider it.
Thanks!
*A copy of this post is being sent to Nagual Lonewolf
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Sacateca wrote:Well, SUPPOSEDLY, this life that we lead
is custom designed for each and every one of us. The main "purpose of
life" is to renew our sense of wonder for the eternal rewards to come.
Unfortunately, eternal rewards can get boring after a few
hundred-thousand-years and we eventually crave a life like this so that
we can renew our appreciation of eternal rewards. The more brutal the
life the longer the appreciation of the eternal rewards of Heavenly
realms. Supposedly, we are all God equally with no one person more "God"
than anyone else.
There are those who have gone so insane from
having things all nice and wonderful all the time that they have, in
their insanity, rebelled and have been cast out of the Heavenly realms.
Supposedly, Satan is their leader and I spell his name with a capitol
'S' out of respect. You see, unless there is some sort of adversary
there is no adventure to lives like these. It's a dirty job, but someone
has to do it and Satan is doing it. I say it's truly a 'miracle' that
he has beings he can trust among his army. That must must be a miracle
indeed for the evil I encounter in this life are out for themselves and
CANNOT BE TRUSTED!
When I started this thread I had no idea Tom would allow me to post in the SR forum so I've changed the title of this thread to:
((( THE OVERALL PURPOSE, MY PURPOSE OF LIFE & OTHER INTERESTING THINGS )))
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GONZO WROTE:
"Let me say, IMHO, Sacateca (aka Sid, aka Sidarthur, et al) has as a sole purpose, combat."
MY RESPONSE:
Are you really so dumb you haven't noticed that lately I've been treating you like a piece of dried dog **** I walk around?
I have no desire to engage a piece of dog **** in combat!
I've learned the hard way that responding to your jackass posts just throws the whole thread into a proverbial trash heap so I've been ignoring you.
So my OTHER sole purpose lately has been to IGNORE YOU!
****
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And engagement commences...
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Sacateca wrote:GONZO WROTE:
"Let me say, IMHO, Sacateca (aka Sid, aka Sidarthur, et al) has as a sole purpose, combat."
MY RESPONSE:
Are you really so dumb you haven't noticed that lately I've been treating you like a piece of dried dog **** I walk around?
I have no desire to engage a piece of dog **** in combat!
Good God, Sac...is that the best you can do? I'm quite disappointed.
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After a quick evaluation it seems YOU are the real problem on this thread, Gonzo
I have no gripes with intelligent commentary
**** like what you have just written is not wanted here, okay?
You say my sole purpose is combat when I made it obvious that I had been ignoring you.
You say that there are no posts here about the Purpose of Life when I just quoted one
You want to piss me off and if you keep it up I now know who to have Nagual LoneWolf chastise
To the rest of you,
Intelligent comments are indeed welcome on this thread!
Thanks
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