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((( THE GREAT SACATECA JEREMY DONOVAN DEBATE )))
#1
INTRODUCTION:
From empirical experience I know that Jeremy Donovan TBD is a coward who will only debate me in a forum where he has an unfair advantage and **** fans who feel fully protected by the SR administration.

JEREMY DONOVAN TBD WROTE:
"And the day you can do anything other than TALK about 'infinite possibilities of perception' is the day I'll start listening to any of that empty rhetoric."

MY RESPONSE:
Okay then, I'll do more than talk alright. I'll PROVE to everyone in the SR forum, and here in LoneWolf's forum, that YOU ARE A COWARD who is afraid to meet me and resolve the matters between us in an arena where we are on EQUAL GROUND. In LoneWolf's forum I can create as many posts as I like and YOU will be able to create as many posts as YOU like. I say that without your SR administrative protection YOU will prove, by not showing up, that...
YOU ARE A COWARD!!!
Only fools blindly believe what Cowards have to say on ANY SUBJECT!
So, this is an ACT OF POWER, and it's a safe bet I will indeed be victorious and YOU will make some coward's excuse and hide like the wimpering coward that you truly are underneath all your fancy talk.
REMEMBER: I had the courage to put up with all kinds of SR restrictions in order to resolve the matters between us. Now it's time for YOU to prove you are my equal  and courageously meet me in a forum where I am not continually at a disadvantage
PUT UP OR SHUT UP, JEREMY!!
(((SPIT!!!)))
You asked for more than talk and YOU GOT WHAT YOU ASKED FOR!!!
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#2
INTRODUCTION:
I awake to a beautiful day filled with hope for more miraculous manifestations to come. Others are brainwashed into believing that life is limited and what we perceive is the final authority as to what is and is not possible. I do not subscribe to a belief of limited possibilities. I 'see' the Universe as vibrant with awareness, even as don Juan did, and I believe I can unravel and make fully functional my ability to manifest increasingly wonderful things through the power of my impeccably focused and assertively concentrated Intent. Others would say this is nonsense. They are correct! It is indeed nonsense...FOR THEM!!
I give everyone the right to assemble a world of limitations and hopelessness. That is indeed their choice and none of my business


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JEREMY TBD WROTE:
"If those are the 'terms', I only agree to part of them - the part that says you could be wrong."
MY RESPONSE:
Well then, Jeremy, since I can admit that I can be wrong, but YOU cannot admit that YOU could be wrong YOU are my Spiritual inferior. YOU prove yourself to be a self-righteous pompous ass. Just think if it were the other way around. Supposed you said that you feel there was no don Juan, but YOU could be wrong and I staunchly stated there was a don Juan, period. Who would be the ass then? In that scenario YOU would be the wiser in this matter. YOU have chosen to take the stand of a self-righteous fool. Since you are certain there was no don Juan yet stayed in the Castaneda cult then you are an admitted sucker of an **** from start to finish and you still are.
JEREMY TBD WROTE:
"Anyone who insists there's no major difference between works of fiction and non-fiction has no..."
MY RESPONSE:
I say the difference between purported fiction and non-fiction books is that non-fiction books supposedly contain no fiction, like the evening news. If YOU are sucker enough to blindly believe the evening news or that a supposed non-fiction book contains no fiction whatsoever you are indeed a sucker ripe to be taken for a fool again
Bet you are still certain that textbooks are total non-fiction, right? I say just because a textbook is supposed to be non-fiction does not automatically mean that there is no fiction in it. YOU, however, are sucker enough to believe that books labeled non-fiction automatically contain total truth. This is the stance of the blind fools who start wars over the infallibility of their purportedly infallible and inerrant books.
Since you are certain that YOU cannot be wrong YOU are my inferior, Jeremy
I'm man enough to admit I can be wrong. YOU are not man enough to admit that YOU could be wrong so you are my inferior. Thanks for openly admitting that.
ALSO, YOU are nowhere near as interesting as I am and I can prove it!
So, let's take things to the next level while I prove I am more interesting than YOU are, okay? Great!

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DEAR JEREMY TBD:
After what you have been through you can't possibly be dumb enough to believe a book contains no fiction whatsoever just because it is labeled non-fiction. Tell us you are not that dumb, Jeremy!
Who is to determine whether or not a book contains fiction? UCLA who gave Carlos Castaneda a Ph. D? Are THEY the final authorities, Jeremy? Are the fanatical religious the final authorities in such matters.
OR ARE YOU!!!
Do tell!!
It seems to me that your whole stance, over the years, has been: 'Just because a university like UCLA says that certain books are non-fiction DON'T BLINDLY BELIEVE IT!
Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that this has been your stance all through the years in this forum. How is that different from my stance on supposed non-fiction like the daily world news reports? Do you just blindly believe the Fox news reports on ANY matter they may choose to report on? Tell us you are not that dumb, Jeremy, tell us you are not that dumb!
So then, WHO exactly is the final authority to determine what is complete fiction and what is complete non-fiction. Do tell!!!

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JEREMY DONOVAN TBD WROTE:
"For years I was an A-student in a university physics program so I probably know more about physics than you, and as usual you miss vital points, such as that even though subatomic structures encompass large amounts of 'empty space' and have unusual characteristics like dual particle/wave nature, uncertainty of position/momentum, etc., at a 'macro' level structures like humans, cars, and couches do behave as 'solid objects',..."
MY RESPONSE:
So what? Castaneda behaved as though his works were complete non-fiction, right? Just because supposedly solid objects behave as though they are solid does not automatically mean they are solid. What it means is THEY BEHAVE as though they are solid objects. Just as Castaneda BEHAVED as though his works contained no fiction whatsoever. You were sucker enough to fall for it and you are obviously still a sucker.
I agree with don Juan in that there are infinite possibilities of perception at our proverbial fingertips. The world is much more than it appears to be and the latest discoveries in quantum physics are proving this to be true. New discoveries in quantum physics prove that electrons react as though they KNOW they are being watched when studied. Don Juan taught of a world of awareness all around us where we can get omens and agreements from the world. New discoveries in quantum physics are implying that at the subatomic level there is nothing sold about reality whatsoever. Supposedly, what we experience as reality is a sort of shimmering holographic in nature and responds to our consciousness. Like it or not, consciousness apparently plays a major role in how we perceive supposed reality. How we focus on reality determines how the mysterious wave functions around us will collapse into the daily reality we perceive. There are possibilities here that I am successfully exploring where the Universe can indeed be Lovingly Romanced into revealing fully functional secrets for manipulating MY PERSONAL reality any wonderful way I may choose towards the manifestation of any wonderful thing I can properly imagine.
As for YOUR personal reality, that is none of my business to manipulate. YOU are on your own, hotshot. None of my business what happens to you and people like you, Jeremy. Manifest heaven or manifest hell. None of my business.
The world may look the same, physically, but the worlds of the hopeful and the hopeless are two completely different worlds whether you agree or not, Jeremy. The hopeful and the hopeless may be living next door to each other, but they are assembling two completely different worlds as they go through life. I know this from empirical experience that the world I assemble when I feel weak and hopeless is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from the world I assemble when I feel strong, healthy and hopeful!

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JEREMY TBD WROTE:
"and you should have learned that when the ocean dumped you on your fool head,..."
MY RESPONSE:
I've already made it clear that Mother Nature DEMANDS payments for the secrets about reality She chooses to reveal and the currency of the Spirit is a specific SUFFERING imposed. I've learned that I either pay the price or I don't get the prize. My fifth near-death experience was another installment of 'payments' to Mother Nature and I have risen in Spiritual rank as a result. Whether or not you believe this is completely irrelevant.
YOU, JEREMY, ARE (((NOT))) THE FINAL AUTHORITY TO DETERMINE WHAT IS OR WHAT IS NOT FICTION!!!
All my best posts here are saved in the forum you can find by clicking on my registered name and going to the About Me section of my profile

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COCONUTS WROTE:
"Nobody reads your posts."
MY RESPONSE:
Well, since nobody clicks on your YouTube links that makes us about even. Except that I am more interesting than you!

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ENERGYLOVER WROTE:
" You don't have the guts to admit that
your ego took you for the ride of your life."
MY RESPONSE:
How exactly? Please be specific. It seems to me that Jeremy and I are both saying that just because some university says books are non-fiction DON'T BLINDLY BELIEVE IT!
Jeremy wants to turn it into something else, but that is the core of what I believe and, apparently, Jeremy believes it as well
I say I could be wrong, but Jeremy pompously thinks he is infallibly right in the matter of Carlos Castaneda. I say that makes him a self-righteous pompous ass. He seems to think his stance makes him wise, but it proves to all why he's ripe to be taken in by another person trying to sucker the world; like the Anti-Christ


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TALKING JEREMY DOG BELOW ME WROTE:
"For example, Carlos may have used some of the ideas of Salvador Lopez and/or Ramon Medina Silva.  Or, he may have read the teachings of little known shaman(s) in some now defunct version of the old Palm Springs Indian library."
MY RESPONSE:
I agree in that he may have or he may not have. So what? That does not affect the literary beauty of Castaneda's book Journey To Ixtlan. You say Carlos lied. I say EVERYONE LIES. Everyone I have ever gotten to know has lied at one time or another. Fact of the matter is that if Castaneda tricked UCLA into giving him a Ph. D that is a heck of a lot more interesting than if don Juan was an actual personage AND YOU ALL KNOW IT!

TALKING JEREMY DOG BELOW ME WROTE:
"Naturally, in keeping with his lifelong pattern, whatever source(s) he used, he would almost certainly have embellished the accounts and distorted the facts to suit his desired story lines."
MY RESPONSE:
What empirical proof do you have that ALL WRITERS do not embellish their accounts in order to make them more interesting? YOU HAVE NO PROOF WHATSOEVER!! I say the wise will agree with me in that you cannot trust a book to be complete non-fiction just because it says so on the cover. Any fool should agree with me on this

TALKING JEREMY DOG WROTE:
"And without stumbling on more precise information, it's probably not possible to fully resolve these questions."
MY RESPONSE:
In other words, YOU COULD BE WRONG!

TALKING JEREMY DOG:
"Most information that goes into books like textbooks has already not only been empirically verified, the information published in most textbooks, especially in hard sciences, usually doesn't get put in there at all until there is also major accepted encompassing theory related to the empirically verified facts."
MY RESPONSE:
I know for empirical fact that the American history taught in the public school system is a lot different from the American history I learned afterwards when I did my own personal research. THEIR public school American history apparently contains a lot of FICTION!! They don't want to mention how the "founding fathers" of America were Freemasons and that Christianity considers Freemasonry a cult of the devil. That is a very important truth, don't you think? It implies that America was actually formed by a demonic cult posing as Christianity. Hey, I say that is rather important to know!
As for 'hard science" books. I've heard they were recently discovered to be riddled with errors. Every error in a science textbook is, by nature, FICTION!

TALKING JEREMY DOG BELOW ME WROTE:
"And the day you can do anything other than TALK about 'infinite possibilities of perception' is the day I'll start listening to any of that empty rhetoric."
MY RESPONSE:
My personal reality is my proof. What YOU believe or don't believe is none of my business, but I can indeed PROVE that I am more interesting than you IF I WERE ALLOWED TO CREATE JUST AS MANY POSTS AS YOU DO! This having to create superlong posts has a way of obscuring the truth. I want to be able to address ONE POINT per post, but I can't because I am only allowed three-posts a day while you can create posts to your heart's content. You may see that as fair, but I see that as giving you an UNFAIR advantage in this debate!
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"An Amish man drives a horse and buggy past a Mobile gas station in Intercourse, Pa."


RESIDENT: We decided to rename our town "Intercourse" because thanks to the influence of our Amish neighbors...we no longer have any.
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#4
Okay, I'm going to be boldly honest here
INTENT let me know that Tom was getting ready to use any excuse to ban me from the Sr forum and I was instructed to use the strategy of creating this thread in order to expose their hero
Senorita Jeremina Donovana
AS A 'NO-BALLS' COWARD!!!
So, I was banned from SR because I am no longer certain whether or not Senor Wenceslao is a man or a woman.
WELL, I KNOW YOU ARE READING THIS YOU TOO HAIRY LESBIAN ****!!!
IN HERE YOU HAVE NO POWER OVER ME, BUT I HAVE POWER OVER YOU!!
THIS THREAD ALSO EXPOSES YOU AS A 'NO-BALLS' COWARD!!!
TRY COMPLAINING TO LONEWOLF ABOUT ME HERE, YOU NO-BALLS BUTT WAGGING ****!!!

((((*** YOU!!!))))

and I don't mean that literally
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#5
I had been fond of saying that not even Mark Twain had created a character as wise as Castaneda's don Juan. Senorita Jeremina Donovana would recommend I read the Mark Twain book:
MYSTERIOUS STRANGER
A while back, I had been so enthralled by the Claymation movie 'The Adventures of Mark Twain' and the segment about the MYSTERIOUS STRANGER that I bought the DVD from Amazon.com AND IT WAS RATHER EXPENSIVE!!!
I no longer trust buying used DVD movies and it cost me 44 BUCKS!!!
The Adventures of Mark Twain:

Yes, I REALLY wanted it!

Well, I awoke today with the feeling that Mark Twain was whispering in my ear telling me to buy his collected works for my Amazon Kindle devices. I just got through getting the bargain of a literary lifetime.
The Complete Collected Works of Mark Twain only cost me $0.99. Outrageous to get all those Mark Twain books and essays for only ninety-nine cents!

My Kindle devices are filled with the most powerful self-help books I could get a hold of that were available for the Amazon Kindle. Now I want to study just what makes the writing style of Mark Twain "classic". I'm interested in the difference of "classic" literature as compared to average literature.
I'm going to start with Mysterious Stranger in honor of Senorita Jeremina Donovana better known as
Senorita Talking Dog Butt Cheeks
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
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#10
SPIDERWOMAN WROTE:
"Grrrreat!~ About personal history: It is possible to erase it more than temporarily, not easy to do though and certainly take more work than most people are willing to do. That is why, most people, just aren't warriors. Easier to take the easy way and argue the reasons why not to DO something, such as erase personal history, to justify and explain than it is to get down to business. Of course, after a time, the drain of explaining and excusing becomes quite taxing. Maybe then, a person will decide to get moving? Who knows really? My thought for today anyway."
MY RESPONSE:
I adapt whatever teachings I may find to my own personal life and standards. From direct experience with Mother Nature I KNOW that, when dealing with Mother Nature, my personal history is usually useless and just gets in the way. In order to properly communicate with plants and Mother Nature, in general, requires I be who I truly am rather than who I was. That requires being able to erase my personal history, at will, in order to get past my self-important ego. This is the only way I have found to have the clearest communications with plants and Mother Nature that I have found.
I say it's crazy to completely erase one's personal history. There are important lessons I have learned from my mistakes and I want to remember those lessons and how I learned them so that I DON'T HAVE TO RE-LEARN THEM!!!
If you choose to live in complete isolation, in a straight-jacket, then you will not need any personal history at all when dealing with the human race. My personal history is valuable to me at times and I intend to develop the ability to have it under my complete control rather than having my personal history controlling me.

TO JEREMY DONOVAN TBD:  Any comment, talking butt cheeks?
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#11
INTRODUCTION:
Earlier
today I put in a phenomenal workout. I've come to the conclusion that
the only way to properly deal with a lying, insanely self-destructive
race that has little to no respect for itself or its planet is from a
position of STRENGTH. I no longer need to get my muscles to grow bigger,
but I feel I do need to increase the phenomenal power of my martial
arts ability. In my mind I 'see' myself moving faster and more
powerfully than ever before. In my mind I 'see' myself moving so fast
and powerfully that people say I am faster than Bruce Lee. The question
is: Am I good enough to realistically become that powerful with Intent?
Can I clearly 'see' myself becoming that powerful and fast? In all
honesty the answer is: YES INDEED! I CAN CLEARLY 'SEE' MYSELF BECOMING
THAT FAST AND POWERFUL and I really, REALLY WANT IT!!!
Oh yes indeed and whether or not YOU believe me is none of my business
After
my phenomenal workout I had a marvelous pomegranate smoothie that
REALLY hit the proverbial 'spot'. I've been making these fruit smoothies
and I just bought pre-packaged frozen organic fruit berry combinations
for fruit smoothies whenever I may want them. I no longer have to be
tied to eating fruit before it spoils. I am free now thanks to the fact
that I realized the organic smoothie place keeps their smoothie fruit
frozen.
Tomorrow is a carrot juice day!
Lots
of carrot juice, celery juice, apple and baby spinach final mixed in my
new single-serving blender. Wow! I'm really looking forward to
tomorrow!

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EPOCH:

I understand now
all that matters is that
the Castaneda conundrum is resolved
FOR ME!!

As
for the staunch, narrow-minded, bottom feeding skeptics it's a rather
safe bet that nothing will ever be resolved FOR THEM. They go along the
bottom feeding on all the **** they can find. All they care about is the
****, but what can you expect from proverbial bottom feeders? It's
their nature to look for **** and eat it wholeheartedly.
The
Castaneda book Journey To Ixtlan is, quite simply, a literary
masterpiece whether it is pure fiction or part fiction, period. Most of
the people who reviewed the book at Amazon.com consider it to be a
literary masterpiece. The wise will realize that a literary masterpiece
is a literary masterpiece whether or not it is fact or fiction or both.
The unwise are convinced that Journey To Ixtlan must be ABSOLUTELY AND
COMPLETELY FACTUAL to be a literary masterpiece. I say that is
ridiculous and I also say anyone who is truly wise will agree with me.
A beautiful painting is a beautiful painting whether or not the subject matter is based on fact or fiction, period!
The
Mona Lisa is said to be the most famous painting ever created. Leonardo
DaVinci supposedly used the wife of some nobleman as the model. What if
you eventually find that the woman of the Mona Lisa painting was a
fictional character Leonardo made up from his imagination. Will the
painting suddenly become less beautiful? NO, RIGHT?
For
Journey To Ixtlan Carlos Castaneda was awarded a Ph. D from UCLA. If
Castaneda faked that book he was indeed a SUPER GENIUS!! If Journey To
Ixtlan was a factual account that is nowhere near as interesting to the
wise. It is much more interesting if he made the whole thing up and
fooled UCLA into giving him a Ph. D for his work. Yes, that's a heck of a
lot more interesting indeed!

UNDENIABLE FACTS:
Castaneda created a string of New York Times bestselling books
((( THAT IS AMAZING IN AND OF ITSELF!! )))
Castaneda made the cover of Time magazine as a result
((( THAT IS ALSO AMAZING IN AND OF ITSELF!! )))
Castaneda was awarded a Ph. D for his dissertation that became his third book: Journey To Ixtlan
((( THAT IS SUPER-AMAZING ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE!! )))
Like it or not, if Carlos Castaneda faked the whole thing and created don Juan from his imagination
((( THAT'S SO AMAZING IT IS PRACTICALLY UNBELIEVABLE )))
Why?
Because
for his first three books Castaneda has to HONESTLY portray himself as
the person he actually was and he was a person who could NEVER come up
with the don Juan philosophy on his own, period! If Carlos was talking
don Juan philosophy before he purportedly met the shaman people would
have been screaming FRAUD from his very first book, that's why.
The
professors Castaneda credited in his first book must have seen his
field notes. If they asked to see Castaneda's field notes and Castaneda
refuse to produce them the professors of UCLA would have 'smelled a rat'
from the very beginning. Now, that is a logical reasonable assumption,
period!
FACT:
A
beautiful literary masterpiece is a beautiful literary masterpiece,
period, and Journey To Ixtlan is a beautiful literary masterpiece,
period. Whether or not anyone else agrees with me is COMPLETELY
IRRELEVANT!
(((YOU))) DO NOT HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE TRUTH FOR IT TO BE TRUE!!!
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LADY SENOR WENCESLAO WROTE:

"Yaqui expert Dr. Ralph Beals asked to see Castaneda's field notes but
Carlos continually dodged the request. Dr. Jacques Maquet, then head of
UCLA's Department of Anthropology, also objected to the fact that no
hard evidence had ever been presented to back up Castaneda's accounts.
"What is essential is not simply to have the experience," says Maquet
today, "but, if it is anthropology, to make it possible for other
anthropologists to repeat the experience. Castaneda never did that."


MY RESPONSE:

You people never learn. Have YOU personally verified this as true? NO,
YOU HAVE NOT!. You're just a 'bottom feeding' skeptic and you know it!


Do tell everyone here how what you have written makes the book Journey
To Ixtlan less of a literary masterpiece? Can't do it, can you? Of
course not! The Mona Lisa is equally beautiful whether Leonardo used an
actual model or created a model from his imagination and that's just the
way it is whether you like it or not!


The Teachings of don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge - 1968 by Carlos Castaneda Intro
Acknowledgements
"I
wish to express profound gratitude to Professor Clement Meighan, who
started and set the course of my anthropological fieldwork; to Professor
Harold Garfinkel, who gave me the model and the spirit of exhaustive
inquiry; to Professor Robert Edgerton, who criticized my work from its
beginning; to Professors William Bright and Pedro Carrasco for their
criticisms and encouragement; and to Professor Lawrence Watson for his
invaluable help in the clarification of my analysis. Finally, I am
grateful to Mrs Grace Stimson and Mr F. A. Guilford for their assistance
in preparing the manuscript."
- Carlos Castaneda

MY COMMENT:

Fact of
the matter is these UCLA professors MUST have asked to see Castaneda's
field notes at one time or another. If Castaneda started making excuses
and could not produce any field notes, of which he supposedly had
VOLUMES, the jig would have been up. It would have been all over BEFORE
the book was ever published and Castaneda would have been kicked out of
UCLA disgraced as a fraud before any of us heard of his "don Juan". Now,
that is down to Earth logical and reasonable. How could anyone believe
Castaneda claiming to have volumes of field notes and never have been
able to produce any to the satisfaction of the UCLA administrative
faculty? That is a completely ridiculous concept. It's just completely
ridiculous and you all know it!
However, I could be wrong.
How about YOU.
Could
YOU be wrong, Jeremy Donovan? Or are you determined to remain a Richard
DeMille TB for the rest of your miserable life? I wonder when Jeremy
and Guy are going to finally get back from Jeremy's second trip to
Greece? Once I was was granted 3 posts a day he flew like a pigeon from a
bulldozer. Jeremy doesn't have the cohones to confront me on a level
playing field. The coward runs and hides and is hoping it will all blow
over. In the final analysis skeptics obviously tend to be very cowardly
when their views are properly cancelled out. They can't admit they could
be wrong. YOU ARE MY SPIRITUAL INFERIOR, JEREMY DONOVAN!!!
Most
of the reviews at Amazon.com for Journey To Ixtlan are 5 star. People
simply feel that Journey To Ixtlan is a literary masterpiece and that's
all there is to it. Nothing you bottom-feeding skeptics can say will
change that fact.

Here are excerpts from some of those reviews:

"This is a life-changing book and a spiritual classic (I rarely
give ANYTHING 5 stars) but someone ought to mention that there is a
certain amount of controversy about the accuracy of Castaneda's Don Juan
series. Researcher Richard de Mille is probably the most even-handed of
the critics and The_Don_Juan_Papers is worth a read, though some of the
criticisms are merely carping small-mindedness.

Regardless of
your attitude toward Castaneda's (or Don Juan's!)literal accuracy the
series, of which Journey_to_Ixtlan is the best, presents a coherent and
engaging spiritual existentialism. A Must Read!!! "

"It took a lot for me to get through Castaneda's first book, The
Teachings of Don Juan. I was totally unimpressed with it. The whole
book was essentially about how a Yaqui Indian "sorcerer" put naive
Carlos, then a graduate student in anthropology from UCLA doing research
on a hallucinogenic plant, through a bunch of weird drug trips that
shook his view of reality. And to me, that doesn't jive at all.But
in Journey to Ixtlan, Castaneda goes back and says, "wait, start over,
reset. I was wrong about all of that drug stuff, it's really not
necessary, don Juan just put me through that because I was too stubborn
and 'rational' to see that there may be other views of reality than the
ones I subscribe to." In this book he discovers that he doesn't need
drugs to experience other worlds. Rather, there are a series of
practices for right living that enable the possibility of perceiving in
nonordinary ways.
So Journey to Ixtlan is where the real lessons
about living life in the warrior's way begin. I recommend this book
highly as a starting point for Castaneda's work; forget the first two
books."



"Forget the debate as to whether Castaneda's writings were a hoax or that
his books became important reading for the drug culture. Although I
suggest you read his first two books before reading this one but if you
read only one book by Carlos Castaneda this is the book to read. Be his
books accurate reporting by a cultural anthropologist (which is becoming
increasingly more and more  doubtful), mysticism or hokum, this
particular book is quite moving and lyrical. And whether his stories are
real or imagined and whether the teaching he transmutes came from Don
Juan or from his own mind by his knowledge as a trained anthropologist
the underlying mystical principles of these stories cannot be dismissed
out of hand.

  Shaman, poet and perhaps an academic scoundrel it is Castaneda's
poetry and story telling that comes shining through in this book.

  If Castaneda's books were a hoax and were represented as cultural
anthropology as a better hook to sell books it is a shame because he did
a disservice to science and to his legacy. Still I myself, as a former
researcher in Harvard University's anthropology department and a student
of human ethology, can forgive this sin on one level and enjoy this
book as a powerful work of liturature.

For if there has been a wrong that has been committed against
anthropology it is one that was done by the way the books were marketed
and perhaps by the author's personality itself. The works themselves
should not suffer and be shunned for this.

His legacy would have been better served if he wrote these same works as a writer of fiction.

I believe the author would have been wiser to present his works the
way Gurdjieff presented "Beelzebub's Tales to his Grandson" rather than
obstinately insisting there really was such a person as Don Juan (even
if in the off chance that his teacher did exist).

Despite the controversy his writing stands on its own and Journey
to Ixtlan is a powerful, touching, enchanting and beautiful book."


"I started reading ( & still re-read) Don Juan's

books by "Carlitos" long long ago , (mid 70's) &


still thank God that somehow I found his books


. The most important thing this book taught me


is to ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY ACT


IONS .


I was young & lost & scared & a mess & that


concept had never crossed my mind. I was us


-ed to blaming others & their actions towards me


etc....for the outcomes of my life.


Well let me tell youuuuuuu something. What an


EYE OPENER !!!!! ha ha ha . I also leared not


to judge people & still try not to..... I remember


Don Juan used to say something lilke " do not


send your bad thoughts to a person that may have


done something wrong. It doesn't do them any good or yourself."


I adore Don Juan &' Carlitos' as he used to call him. Don Juan


had the BEST sense of humor I've ever seen.


Castanedas' book enchanted me, terrified me


( to the point that I slept with the lights on a couple


of nights ) enlightened me, inspired me & finally


changed me inside for the better.


I got a lot out of this one book so I read..."

"Castaneda did the world a favor when he began chronicling his
apprenticeship with Don Juan Matus. Whether or not Don Juan was one or
three real people is irrelevant since what Castaneda learns is highly
relevant to all of us. Learning to "stalk" the self, learning to
achieve equilibrium in a world full of petty tyrants (including the
petty tyrant of the "self") are among the most trenchant lessons
Castaneda provides us. This book is the place to start with Castaneda
and you'll even find within it Don Juan doing magical passes 25 years
before Castaneda finally admitted there were such things. The books by
Castaneda are the most important books in my life and I highly recommend
them to anyone who's after an alternative way of looking at life and
the human condition."

MY COMMENT:
Out of 64 review 46 are FIVE-STAR reviews. Here is the most critical one:

"The question with regard to Carlos Casteneda is this: If we accept the
premise that this book is largely fiction, does that in turn trivialize
the message he is trying to impart? Just what is his message? If the
message is that the world is full of witches, sorcerers, irridescent
coyotes, allies, and phantoms, then the answer must be an unqualfied
"yes". These entities are no more real, and have no more importance
than angels and miracles, zombies, ghosts, or anything else whose
existence cannot be objectively observed. However, despite the cult
that has grown up around these writings, I don't think this is what
Casteneda had in mind. Don Juan warned against being trapped in the
world of sorcery, just as he did against getting trapped in the world
of everyday concerns. It was when Carlos, the character, realized that
he and the dung beetle were on even terms, even though their sensory
worlds were profoundly different, that he was finally able to "stop the
world". The warrior, says don Juan, takes responsibility for his
life, and interacts with every event as if it is his last. Moreover,
once one makes the transition to the path of knowledge, one can never
go back. "Ixtlan" is by definition childhood's home that one can never
return to. These are timeless and profound concepts, that transcend
the venue of leaping shadows and bridges in the fog. Casteneda is
an unusual writer, and his insistence on portraying his character as an
annoying whiner gets a little wearing after a while. The two messages
I found in this work - that the world is much more than appears, and
that it is important not to sleepwalk through our lives - these
concepts never wear thin for me. And the observation that our modern
man can learn these lessons from a superstitious old Yaqui is endlessly
gratifying to me.
There are many ways to get to the place that
Casteneda is trying to show us, and therefore I can't place this volume
in the "must read" category. But the concepts have value, and you
won't regret the effort in getting to the last page."
http://www.amazon.com/Jou...TF8&showViewpoints=1



MY CONCLUSIONAll your 'bottom-feeding' skeptic views
cannot change the minds of these intelligent people. Even the most
critical of them has good things to say about Castaneda's works
Reply
#13
LADY SENOR WENCESLAO WROTE:
Beals has stated in "The
American Anthropologist" (1978) that when doubtful about Castaneda's
claims he began to press for verbatim copies of the student's field
notes.. Rather than comply Carlos "simply disappeared" for several
months. When Beals, a man of integrity and honesty and the only
committee member knowledgeable about Yaqui and Mexico Indian culture,
was pressed by other committee members to relent in his request in order
to "get things back on track" Beals withdrew from the process
altogether and ended up resigning from UCLA.

MY RESPONSE:
How
interesting! Did you see the notes of Ralph Beals that were used to
produce that piece of fiction because according to this he stayed at
UCLA until he retired. Why exactly should any of us believe YOU, lady
senor? Those who believe you are a man from the "Senor" in your
registered name already know you to be a liar. Didn't think I'd do my
own bit of research, did you...honey. Did he resign before or after he
retired...dearest:

"UCLA Professor Ralph L. Beals Dies
March 08, 1985
Ralph
L. Beals, professor emeritus of anthropology at UCLA and founder of the
university's departments of anthropology and sociology, died last week
at his Los Angeles home after a long illness, a campus spokesman said
Monday. He was 84.
Beals, who was hired by UCLA as an instructor
in 1936 and taught there for 33 years before his retirement, was a past
president of the American Anthropological Assn. and recipient of a
Guggenheim Fellowship and a National Science Foundation Grant."
http://articles.latimes.c...347_1_professor-emeritus

MY COMMENT:
You
will need AT LEAST three INDEPENDENT sources to properly substantiate
your claims or, as far as any wise person is concerned, you are sharing
hearsay. I typed this into a search engine and could not substantiate
your wild claim...Senor.

The American Anthropologist - Ralph Beals - UCLA - Carlos Castaneda

Looks like you were sharing:  (((FICTION))), and trying to pass it off as fact, you hypocritical bottom-feeder, you.
Please back up your claims with solid proof or have a sex-change operation or...both...or at least the latter!
Cutche, coochie, coo you manly woman, you!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

*Just in case you are curious, yes, he/she/it stepped in it, alright!
Reply
#14
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She eventually gets killed, but I'm not supposed to tell you that so forget I said anything, okay?

______________________________________

Thought For The Day

"Wise person always know when to keep farts to self"
-- Lau Lau Tsu

"A boy named Tsu"
--Johnny Carsh
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#15
"We live in realms
of surrealistic possibilities; waking dream states through which, in
states of inner-silence, we can ruthlessly and assertively direct our
thoughts, with impeccable pinpoint accuracy, towards entertaining and
romancing the Source of All Creation, or the Spirit of Intent, into
manifesting for us whatever wonderful things we may want or need in
order to live the most fulfilling and happy lives possible."
--Sacateca

MY COMMENT:
Once
again Intent has upgraded the above statement into making it all
inclusive. The first draft of the statement, (many, many years ago), was
very poetic and vague. Now it has become much more direct,
self-explanatory and all inclusive. It now gives me the impression of
being like a priceless egg in which everything needed to live a
successful life is contained in a neat, sealed and fully contained
package FOR ME. Of course, it takes access to a certain amount of stored
Personal Power to make sense of it and make it functional and there are
important things that are left out of this equation. The chief of which
is:
The
secrets for living in harmony with the source of all creation do not
come for free. There are no free-rides with the Spirit of the Intent of
the Universe. In order to make REAL progress one MUST pay the proper
dues and the currency of The Spirit is a specific type of imposed
suffering. Yes, you must SUFFER in certain prescribed manners that The
Spirit of Intent determines and which are completely out of my personal
control. If you don't pay the price you don't get the prize. I now
believe there are different levels of suffering required in order to
rise in Spiritual Rank.
Early
in the morning, a couple of nights ago, I was awoken with my whole
being in a pain I felt was like someone turning up some sort of pain
dimmer switch with impeccable precision. I was given a message that I
needed to be conscious and endure the pain to the best of my ability. I
used hypnotic anesthesia and everything I could think of to tune out the
pain and it just kept getting stronger and stronger until I was
overwhelmed and passed out. When I awoke the pain was gone and I felt,
in some undefined way, that I had advanced in Spiritual Rank to a much
higher position when it comes to wonderful personal manifestations in my
life.
My
dream of turning the Entire Universe into my personal Amazon.com in
which I properly place an order, release it, and know it will arrive and
manifest is now more of a certain guarantee than ever before!
I
feel as though Mother Nature has given me another Spiritual Medal to
add to my collection and I will not realize just what this medal means
until I push for manifestations through assertive, deliberate,
impeccably focused inner-silence. I'm being led to believe that to aim
for being like Castaneda's don Juan is to aim much too low. There are
greater and more wonderful things possible than Castaneda's don Juan
ever dreamt were possible. I can never hope to be just like don Juan so
I'll have to settle for being GREATER than Castaneda's don Juan.
You
'bottom-feeding' skeptics may laugh and ridicule me for believing what I
am empirically experiencing in my life. You may say that I MUST
convince (((YOU))) for my personal perceptions to be truly valid. Well,
I'm not sucker enough to fall for that anymore. YOU cannot convince me
that I must jump through YOUR 'hoops' in order to be valid in what I
share and personally experience. Fact of the matter is, the most
important things about a personal relationship with Intent cannot be
properly conveyed through words. If YOU walk into a crowded room and
only one person in that room truly loves you that person stands out and
that person is indeed the most real person in the room. Well, Mother
Nature truly loves me and I feel that love and respect now more fully
since I have paid a new round of my Spiritual dues.
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#16
Well whatdayaknow! Jeremy Donovan TBD is back from his second trip to Greece.
Was it any Greasier this time around, blubbery cheeks?  
I
say the wise will agree with me that ALL BOOKS and information should
be treated as fiction until empirically proven otherwise. The unwise
will not agree with me and continue to argue that Castaneda's books were
fiction. Since I agree that ALL BOOKS contain fiction in one way or
another I have no problem with the premise that Castaneda's books as
well as The Bible as well as The Koran as well as The Bhagavad-Gita as
well as 'ad infinitum' most probably contain some or complete fiction.
Once this matter is resolved what remains is to answer the question of:
Not whether a book is true or not, but whether or not a book is useful!
I
say use what works for you and hold the rest in question from ANY book.
I say if Castaneda made don Juan up, made the cover of Time magazine
and tricked UCLA into giving him a Ph. D that is a heck of a lot more
interesting than if don Juan was an actual person. Whether any of the
rest of you agree with me or not is truly none of my business. I say
only fools argue back and forth about such matters. I say all who are
wise will agree with me that if Castaneda faked it then his New York
Times bestselling works were the works of a SUPER GENIUS!! That is my
view and I'm sure most of the people who gave Journey To Ixtlan a
five-star rating at Amazon.com will wholeheartedly agree with me.
Whether YOU agree with me or not makes no difference to me. I don't
expect monkeys to praise the works of and recite Shakespeare.
Look
Jeremy, I believe Castaneda lied. I believe the creators of the New
Testament lied as well as the creators of the Book of Mormon. I believe
the creators of the Bhagavd-Gita lied. I believe YOU LIE!! So it is
irrelevant to me whether or not Castaneda lied. What matters are the
qualities of his writings and those writings are timeless to me. I'm in
the process of reading Journey To Ixtlan again and I'm glad you brought
up erasing personal history because that is the main thing I was going
to write about in this post:

ON ERASING PERSONAL HISTORY:
While
reading Journey To Ixtlan I just recently finished the section where
don Juan strongly recommends that Castaneda erase his personal history
if he really wants to learn about plants. While I agree that TEMPORARILY
erasing personal history, through inner-silence, is essential for
communicating with Mother Nature ALL THAT MOST PEOPLE HAVE is their
personal history. When you meet someone new you strike up a conversation
based on your personal history and their personal history. What are you
supposed to say if a police officer pulls you over and asks for your
ID? That you have no personal history? Get real!
TEMPORARILIY
erasing personal history, through states of inner-silence, is of
paramount importance when directly communicating with plants and the
Spirit of Intent.
ALTERING
our personal history through what we emphasize is sufficient when
dealing with people. For example: suppose you viewed your past by
focusing on the things that went wrong with your associations with
Carlos Castaneda. That is your current personal history, right Jeremy?
Now, how about altering your personal history by focusing primarily on
the good you gained through your association with Carlos Castaneda.
You're not lying. You're just focusing on the good you learned instead
of the bad. It's not lying. It's the same personal history from the
perspective of the good you gained rather than the bad. After all,
Castaneda cured you of needing gurus in your life, right? If you didn't
join Castaneda's cult you would now probably be a member of some other
cult, if they had gotten to you first. Castaneda CURED YOU of needing to
surrender your life to some guru. At the very least you should be
grateful for that and YOU KNOW IT!
It
is no lie to improve one's personal history by changing the emphasis of
what we focus upon. There is nothing wrong in improving one's personal
history through forgiving oneself and everyone else equally. Jeremy's
problem is he can't forgive himself and, consequently, he can't forgive
Carlos Castaneda for being an ****. Be honest, Jeremy. It's not like
Castaneda didn't warn the world as to what type of leader he would be,
right? He gave EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE WORLD ample warning of the type of
leader he would be, right? If YOU took him as your guru in spite of the
warnings YOU MUST TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY for staying in that group.
You should have left the group, but you didn't and now you whine and
complain like some little irresponsible mentally retarded child.
BE A MAN AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR JOINING CASTANEDA'S GROUP AND STAYING WITH CASTANEDA'S GROUP!!!
You whining little wimp!
'I was hurt and it was all Castaneda's fault. Waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!'
The rallying cry of the Castaneda jackasss wimps who refuse to take responsibility for their lives.
DO YOU TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR JOINING CASTANEDA GROUP AND STAYING IN THAT GROUP? If you do then stop whining like a little baby, you ****!
I
believe Tom, Guy Gardner, the wisest members of this forum and myself
would NEVER have been dumb enough to stay in that cult under the
ridiculous conditions that Castaneda demanded. YOU WERE DUMB ENOUGH and
you have NO ONE ELSE TO BLAME BUT YOURSELF for being that dumb!!!!
It's about time you get this through your thick head, Jeremy!
I'm
not the type of person who responds like a trained monkey as you did
while in Castaneda's cult. At best I would have been kicked out for
sure. Most probably after the first day!
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#17
INTRODUCTION:
It's
been an amazing weekend overdosing on fresh made vegetable juice and
fruit smoothies. It's amazing how wonderful the stuff feels going into
my metabolism. Quite stimulating indeed! Today I just finished drinking
the most amazing pineapple smoothie I have EVER had. Made with organic
pineapple nectar, chunks of REAL, fresh pineapple and an egg. Wow!
That's the stuff alright!
Super Nectar of the Gods!
It
went down great after the powerful workout I put in today. My goal of
becoming more powerful, with Intent, than ever before is slowly being
realized. I was quite shocked to see myself in the big gym mirrors. From
a distance I look like some sort of muscular demi-god or something.
Quite beautiful and impressive indeed! I've never been this muscular
before in my entire life. Super Juiced Out Muscles!

________________________________________________

TO JEREMY DONOVAN TBD:
I told you the grounds for the truce between us
and you gave a wimpy wishy washy response to the terms. I'll share them again,
THESE ARE THE GROUNDS FOR THE TRUCE:
I believe there was a don Juan, but I could be wrong
YOU believe there was not a don Juan, but YOU could be wrong

If you agree to these grounds then we are equals and there can be peace between us

________________________________________________

TO JEREMY TBD:
You
do realize the assumption that the reality surrounding us is made up of
dependably solid objects is...fiction. You realize that, right? So,
that makes ALL OF LIFE a fiction. It's not sold and "real" as science
used to teach us reality was. Electrons and atoms are not solid. They
are made of vibrating energy. It was a defective paradigm premise to
believe the world around us is made of solid objects. It was indeed
FICTION and so everything we think we are is in fact mostly: FICTION!
Don
Juan was correct. We are infinitely more than we think we are and what
we call "life" is in actuality an unfathomable mystery. WE are an equal
part of that unfathomable mystery.
To think of life as otherwise is...FICTION.
You probably don't realize that yet, do you?

________________________________________________

If you people were winners you would not gloss over this improvement I have made on a don Juan teaching.
The Spirit has helped me to upgrade don Juan's beliefs.
I'm being taught there are greater things in Heaven and Earth than are even dreamt of in don Juan's philosophy towards life

ON ERASING PERSONAL HISTORY:
While
reading Journey To Ixtlan I just recently finished the section where
don Juan strongly recommends that Castaneda erase his personal history
if he really wants to learn about plants. While I agree that TEMPORARILY
erasing personal history, through inner-silence, is essential for
communicating with Mother Nature ALL THAT MOST PEOPLE HAVE is their
personal history. When you meet someone new you strike up a conversation
based on your personal history and their personal history. What are you
supposed to say if a police officer pulls you over and asks for your
ID? That you have no personal history? Get real!
TEMPORARILIY
erasing personal history, through states of inner-silence, is of
paramount importance when directly communicating with plants and the
Spirit of Intent.
ALTERING
our personal history through what we emphasize is sufficient when
dealing with people. For example: suppose you viewed your past by
focusing on the things that went wrong with your associations with
Carlos Castaneda. That is your current personal history, right Jeremy?
Now, how about altering your personal history by focusing primarily on
the good you gained through your association with Carlos Castaneda.
You're not lying. You're just focusing on the good you learned instead
of the bad. It's not lying. It's the same personal history from the
perspective of the good you gained rather than the bad. After all,
Castaneda cured you of needing gurus in your life, right? If you didn't
join Castaneda's cult you would now probably be a member of some other
cult, if they had gotten to you first. Castaneda CURED YOU of needing to
surrender your life to some guru. At the very least you should be
grateful for that and YOU KNOW IT!
It
is no lie to improve one's personal history by changing the emphasis of
what we focus upon. There is nothing wrong in improving one's personal
history through forgiving oneself and everyone else equally. Jeremy's
problem is he can't forgive himself and, consequently, he can't forgive
Carlos Castaneda for being an ****. Be honest, Jeremy. It's not like
Castaneda didn't warn the world as to what type of leader he would be,
right? He gave EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE WORLD ample warning of the type of
leader he would be, right? If YOU took him as your guru in spite of the
warnings YOU MUST TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY for staying in that group.
You should have left the group, but you didn't and now you whine and
complain like some little irresponsible mentally retarded child.

________________________________________________

JEREMY DONOVAN TBD WROTE:
I
do not believe that 'anyone could have made don Juan up'.  Not at all. 
My actual view is that Castaneda was a pretty unusual character.  In
fact, I've only met a small handful of people in my life who were
somewhat similar in their ability to make up wild intricate mythologies
like that.  Such people are actually rather rare.  And I've already
expressed my view that back in the early seventies when UCLA awarded
Castaneda's Ph.D. there was enormously less information available on
Castaneda than there was in the late 90's when SA began to debunk him
more thoroughly.  Furthermore, my actual view on de Mille is that some
of his arguments aren't so hot, while others are very good.
MY RESPONSE:
Face
it, Jeremy. Besides Castaneda you have NEVER met ANYONE who could equal
what he did ESPECIALLY if he faked it all. That's a fact and you know
it!
The
problem with UCLA is the problem with organized religions. THEY would
make themselves the authorities as to what books are fiction what books
are not.
I
say ALL BOOKS are fiction until I personally verify them as otherwise
and I say all who are wise will adopt my stance about books and
information imparted by a race of lying hypocrites!

________________________________________________

JUXTAPOSITION OF VIEWS:
I believe if Castaneda made don Juan up and earned a Ph. D he was a super-genius
JEREMY:
YOU believe it took no genius to do it and YOU know who deserves a Ph. D and who doesn't

I say that ALL BOOKS CONTIAIN FICTION.  I will no longer believe ANYTHING ANYONE tells me, in books or otherwise, unless I personally and empirically verify the information for myself
YOU apparently say some books are fiction and some are non-fiction

I believe YOU are nuts for holding such beliefs
YOU believe I am nuts for not blindly believing and agreeing with you

So, I'm willing to call it a tie and end this war between us
Whatdayasay,...pal?

BTW:  I was being facetious when I said you just got back from your second trip to Greece.
I'm surprised I actually have to tell you this

duh

___________________________________________________

ENERGYLOVER WROTE:
"why do YOU HAVE TO DEFEND your position? Why? Why focking bother?"
MY RESPONSE:
Because,
unlike YOU, if I am incorrect in my beliefs I want to know so that I
can upgrade them. Obviously, you automatically assumed I didn't have a
good answer for those questions. Since you OBVIOUSLY care nothing about
upgrading the quality of your life you could not see this on your own.

________________________________________________

LADY SENOR WROTE:
"Journey to Ixtlan is not a literary masterpiece."
MY RESPONSE:
That's
YOUR opinion and you are entitled to it, but most of the people
reviewing the book at Amazon.com would disagree with you and...so do I
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#18
AQUAMAN WROTE:
"I agree Saca that you post too much per post and over half of it is your personal obsession with TBD, and a quarter of it is repetition or childish insults, which becomes painfully boring.  So now I skim your posts, just in case you say something interesting, however I read everything you direct toward me."
MY RESPONSE:
I want to be able to make ONE-POINT PER POST, but I am posting under the restrictions of the petty tyrant Tom who makes up rules as he goes along. You obviously don't realize that Tom created a banning rule off the top of his head that I cannot question the gender of people posting in the forum. He didn't even warn me that he would ban me if I continued to question whether or not Senor Wenceslao was a man. He just banned me! BASTARD!!!
You seem perfectly content believing that COWARD Jeremy Donovan TBD who doesn't have the guts to meet me in this forum where we are on equal Internet ground. I saw the way he acted as though I didn't create this thread and you people there just let him get away with it. You should know by now that you should NEVER believe what a coward has to say on ANY SUBJECT!!! He can make up whatever lies he may want to about Carlos Castaneda and you suckers just blindly believe him!
NEVER BELIEVE WHAT AN EXPOSED COWARD HAS TO SAY ON (((ANY))) SUBJECT UNLESS YOU (((PERSONALLY))) VERIFY IT!!!
If you do believe a coward you deserve whatever may come to you as a result!
I saw your post about what Emiliolizardo wrote. So, you think he is more scholarly than I am, eh? Well, I say Emilio is a much better LIAR than I am!!
I've learned the hard way that unless I can find THREE independent Internet sources to corroborate any wild claims made by ANYONE you can most probably bet your soul it is fiction. Go ahead and try to corroborate what Emiliolizardo stated! I have little doubt that you will find NOTHING substantial to back it up. If you choose to believe it anyhow then you are an ****, plain and simple.
I'll give you a clear example of what I mean. Most Christians will blindly say that the Apostles of Jesus wrote the four Gospels of Jesus Christ. Copy and paste this into a search engine and see what comes up:
Did The Apostles of Jesus Write the Four Gospels of Jesus Christ?
There is a whole different take on the matter when you examine this subject from the standpoint of Biblical Scholars as opposed to fanatical blind believing Christians.
"Who wrote the gospels of the New Testament? It's common for believers to act as though they were written by the disciples whose names appear at the top. To call such a state of affairs 'implausible' would be an understatement, however. The gospels were not written by illiterate fishermen from Galilee, nor were they written to be objective, historical accounts of events that really happened."
http://atheism.about.com/b/2006/04/19/d ... rophet.htm

You end up with a back and forth controversy on this subject so you are left to believe whatever you like. Personally, I feel there is no possible way for ANYONE BESIDES GOD to know if the four Gospels were actually written by the Apostles of Jesus. It seems highly unlikely to me. Even if they were originally written by illiterate fisherman miraculously becoming classic writers who besides God can know whether or not those books were tampered with and mistranslated? I strongly doubt that the illiterate apostles of Jesus originally wrote the four Gospels in Greek. That in itself seems ridiculous! However, I believe the oldest versions of the Gospels are written in Greek. So, it all comes down to what you choose to believe. If you choose to believe that the illiterate apostles of Jesus wrote the four Gospels in Greek I say you are a fool!
But, that's my opinion
The matter of Castaneda should be quite different because Castaneda lived during our lifetimes and that SHOULD make his story quite different. Senor Wenceslao shared a supposed quote saying something to the effect that Ralph Beals resigned over the matter of Castaneda being given a Ph.D by UCLA. So, the wise will type something like this into an Internet search engine and see what comes up:
Ralph Beals – UCLA – resigns – Carlos Castaneda
After doing research you end up with a situation where you either believe what various people say about the matter or you don't. Just like with the question about the four Gospels.
Since I believe ALL BOOKS contain fiction and unless I personally verify what I read it is fiction to me the matter is settled with ALL BOOKS. Jeremy Donovan says Castaneda lied. I say ALL PEOPLE I HAVE EVER MET have lied sooner or later. Big deal! If something is useful then use it. If it's not useful then don't use it, period!
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#19
Tom created a banning rule off the top of his head, didn't even warn me
that he would ban me and then banned me. I feel that my exposing the
star of the SR forum, Jeremy Donovan TBD, as a coward was too much for
him to take. There is no way Jeremy could get around being exposed as a
coward for not meeting me in a forum where we both have equal pull with
the administration. Cowards will only debate when they have an unfair
advantage and that describes Jeremy Donovan TBD as precisely as is
possible.



I created a post in LoneWolf's forum addressing some matters that
Aquaman brought up and I would like you to see and comment on what I
have shared. I value intelligent counterpoint commentary. If you can
help me to upgrade my current views I would deeply appreciate it.



The Aquaman Post should be the second post down:



http://sorcery.yuku.com/t...r/1/?page=2#.ToKKCuxlFno



UPDATE:
Talk about don Juanian "seeing". I swear to you that I could don Juan 'see' that Tom was ready to use ANY excuse to ban me; even if he had to make an excuse up. I 'SAW' it with my entire being. It was quite amazing and I was directed to create this thread in a forum out of his petty tyrant control then PM all the most significant SR members. It is obvious that the cowards from SR will not post here along with their coward leaders. So, why should I care what cowards think of me? Is there some reason I should value the opinion of cowards? Correct me if I am wrong, but the opinions of cowards are pretty much worthless, aren't they?
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#20
I dont know why you are bothered with sr, nobody there has any energy, at least the so called septics,  energylover just repeats his mindless stuff, the rogers guy is probably els other profile, or maybe they seem the same because neither has a personality, tom is a timid conformist  (perfect cult fodder), tbd has a brain but is worn out, coco is just there because the moderators are still figuring out if hes retarded or some kind of guru, wen is ok but carols got him by the proverbial. the forum is just a retirement home for old people to try and forget their pointless lives, you wont ever get a new idea from there in a million years, its contrary to their purpose, and if there is they will moderate it away before it exhausts them
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#21
SUKIHO WROTE:
I dont know why you are bothered with sr, nobody there has any energy, at least the so called septics,  energylover just repeats his mindless stuff, the rogers guy is probably els other profile, or maybe they seem the same because neither has a personality, tom is a timid conformist  (perfect cult fodder), tbd has a brain but is worn out, coco is just there because the moderators are still figuring out if hes retarded or some kind of guru, wen is ok but carols got him by the proverbial. the forum is just a retirement home for old people to try and forget their pointless lives, you wont ever get a new idea from there in a million years, its contrary to their purpose, and if there is they will moderate it away before it exhausts them

MY RESPONSE:
Wow! Talk about a person having a clear connecting link to Intent. RIGHT ON!!! You said it better than Intent has been telling me within the last hour. I've been told to consider what my life would be like if all the time I spent trying to convince idiots of the truth at SR was spent building myself up and making myself a better person. The shock of the realization was quite a 'revelation' alright. Why, if I used that time to build myself up rather than trying to tear them down there is no telling what I could accomplish in a very, very short time.
I mean, what exactly have I accomplished since I have returned there? Good? WHAT GOOD????
Seems to me that all I am doing is wasting my precious energies over there and accomplishing nothing worthwhile. Nothing can ever be properly resolved with those coward skeptics because THEY DON'T WANT to resolve anything. They are determined to believe whatever they want to believe no matter what evidence to the contrary is presented to them. In other words...
THEY ARE LOSERS AND INTEND TO STAY LOSERS!!!
To hell with the doomed!!!!!
I hate to admit it, but I guess I had to find out the hard way that Abe was right about them after all!
I sent out A LOT of PMs to the regulars over there and YOU SUKIHO are the only one with the guts to post here and tell it like it is!
YOU sure have earned my respect!
RIGHT ON!!!!
and Thanks!
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#22
I sometimes get messages directly from Intent. Sometimes they turn out to be true and sometimes they turn out to be false. I tend to play along and believe without believing when some supposed message from Intent is given to me. Well, today I got another one of those "messages from Intent" having to do with this controversy between myself and Senorita Jeremina Donovana wees da talking dog butt and, as usual, I played along. The message and my response went something like this:

INTENT: One should never listen to the opinions of fools
SACATECA: Is that why you never listen to me?
INTENT: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

MY COMMENT:
I've learned that being able to make Intent laugh is quite a gift. Intent only laughs if it really wants to and the warrior who can make Intent laugh on a regular basis has it made!
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I am truly amazed by my official don Juan 'seeing' with regards to Tom at the SR forum. When I examine how I 'saw' I have to say that don Juan 'seeing' involves all the senses coupled with the sense of INTUITION. Blind science tends to be pompously certain that humans have only five-senses. The very concept of humans have a 'sixth-sense' is the subject of ridicule among the blind science skeptic. 'A sixth-sense? Hahahahahahahahahahaha!' Well, I am now more certain than ever that humans have AT LEAST one more sense and that is the sense of INTUITION. It is chiefly with the intuition that don Juan 'seeing' rallies together all the other senses into a cohesive whole. It was quite marvelous to be able to 'see' that Tom was getting ready to ban me beforehand and be able to be fully prepared for it when it came.
Intent tells me that the greatest revenge against any enemy is to use their attacks to one's advantage. The last thing an enemy wants to do is to help you. Forcing an enemy's attacks to one's advantage and using an enemy like a footstool in order to reach greater things in life is quite satisfying. It is the very concept of don Juan using a "petty tyrant" and honing and refining one's connecting link to Intent through the process. Oh, it's sweet, sweet, sweet!!! I intend to take it as far as I possibly can!
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Let's face it. We live in a world where a 100 pound overweight doctor can go on television and market a best-selling diet book. 'Hey, it doesn't work for me, but it will work for you. Trust me.' and the suckers do!
If your children ever ask you about hell say: Hell is the place where Dr Phil has the final say as to who is sane and who is crazy and everyone is overweight without realizing it.
Okay, if when I die I stand before God and He looks like Jabba the Hutt I know I'm in trouble for writing this
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