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The Toltec via Castaneda, Ruiz, Theun Mares, teach that words are not just a means to communicate
information, but intentions that can be used as spells to create events
and manifest dreams. (words are spells) Consequently by misusing the word we have
enslaved our fellow man and ourselves through gossip and agreements that
make up the bars of our prison. The Toltec Path demonstrates that words
can be used to evolve the human race into active magicians capable of
dis-spelling limiting beleifes to increase personal power and expand awareness.
“Through the word you express your creative power. It is through the
word that you manifest everything. Regardless of what language you
speak, your intent manifests through the word. What you dream, what you
feel, and what you really are, will all be manifested through the word” don Miguel Ruiz
Along with a new found understanding of the magic of words also comes a
realization that we use black magic in our daily lives. We cast spells
on other people and ourselves through expressing limiting beliefs and
stereotypical opinions. Similar to how russian dolls have concentric
layers which have to be removed before the last doll can be realized.
Humans also have these layers, but instead of dolls we have “agreements”
with other peoples’ opinions.
“Every human is a magician, and we can either put a spell on someone
with our word or we can release someone from a spell. We cast spells all
the time with our opinions. An example: I see a friend and give him an
opinion that just popped into my mind. I say, “Hmmm! I see that kind of
color in your face in people who are going to get cancer.” If he listens
to the word, and if he agrees, he will have cancer in less than one
year. That is the power of the word.
During our domestication, our parents and siblings gave their opinions
about us without even thinking. We believed in these opinions and we
lived in fear over these opinions, like not being good at swimming,
sports or writing. Someone gives an opinion and says, “Look, this girl
is ugly!” The girl listens, believes she is ugly and grows up with the
idea that she is ugly. That is the spell she is under.(pg. 28-29, Ruiz)”
Toltec teachings suggest that by making agreements with un-supportive
people we become victim to black magic spells of limitation. These
spells can easily be un-done by being aware of the black magic around us and using our awareness to create new agreements focused on potential and
purpose. Interestingly enough, in order to write words we must “spell”
them correctly, again words are spells.
“Depending upon how it is used, the word can set you free, or it can
enslave you more than you know. All magic you possess is based on your
word. Your word is pure magic, and misuse of your word is black magic" Don Miguel Ruiz
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From Tales of Power
“You’re afraid of me?” he asked.
“Not of you, but of what you represent.”
“I represent the warrior’s freedom. Are you afraid of that?”
“No. But I’m afraid of the awesomeness of your knowledge. There is no solace for me, no haven to go to.”
“You’re again confusing issues. Solace, haven, fear, all of them are
moods that you have learned without ever questioning their values. As
one can see, the black magicians have already engaged all your
allegiance.”
“Who are the black magicians, don Juan?”
“Our fellow men are the black magicians. And since you are with them,
you too are a black magician. Think for a moment. Can you deviate from
the path that they’ve lined up for you? No. Your thoughts and your
actions are fixed forever in their terms. That is slavery. I, on the
other hand, brought you freedom. Freedom is expensive, but the price is
not impossible. So, fear your captors, your masters. Don’t waste your
time and your power fearing me. I
knew that he was right, and yet in spite of my genuine agreement with him I
also knew that my lifelong habits would unavoidably make
me stick to my old path. I did indeed feel like a slave."
The Toltec Wisdom unveils the magical existence we have unknowingly been
living our entire life. The downside to this is that we have
undoubtedly enslaved ourselves and our fellow man through the mis-use of
words. The current agreements we have made and the collective realities we live by means of gossiping
and judging others and repeating what we hear without thinking for ourselves and parroting mis-information has enslaved humanity to a lower level of potential. We unwittingly re-create that which we do not want, by using our words as creationary spells.
Becoming aware of black magic being spread around us can be enlightening for some yet can be frightening
when considering the possibility that the only way to change the world
is to change agreements with our own Self. As don Juan and Miguel Ruiz
suggest, we need to acknowledge the black magic in order to make new
agreements based on human potential and purpose. We can dis-spell black magic only with awareness and the Intent to create new agreements.
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As an aside, I should have put this in the first post, but editing not possible, I shall add it here.
One thing to understand is that the term "Black Magic" has different connotations in the Sorcery world and in Toltec circles than it does on the street and everyday consensual reality. For the non-initiated, the term is synonymous with "devil worshiping" or "hurtful or bad magic".
For Sorcerers and Magicians, it is much different. It is an acknowledgment that by misusing the word we have enslaved our fellow man and ourselves through agreements made with words that manifest your intent. Being aware of black magic and being on the look-out for black magic and black magicians, helps us be aware and change our agreements, thereby becoming more open to power.
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I think this is an issue where its not black and white though. And its not easy to unravel it all when you consider this. For example, Ruiz gave that a person tells another about the color of their face indicating cancer...in keeping with that example, though its not the best (because its not a common thing to say), lets say this causes the person to go to the doctor and this person finds out that they have cancer, but its in early stages and so can be cured. The reason they went to the doctor is becasue someone suspected cancer. So this is an example of the complexity of 'logic' applied to an issue that is not balck and white as it at first appears. That comment was an omen of spirit in such a case, rather then black magic.
Another example is that other people's 'black magic' can be a means of freedom and release for us. So black magic, as its refered to here is sometimes the 'cure'. Such as, I go to work and someone tells me something mean, like lets say they criticise the way I handled a situation on the job. I go home and cry becasue I am so upset, and then I ask myself,"why am I crying over what this person said abotu me, and then I begin to recap my own past and locate stuff to let go of and next day I feel better and am a stronger person the next time I encounter this co worker or a similar work situation. So spirit uses poeple, they are agents of spirit and the aim is to help us examine and release what has been tucked away in us as hurt and feeling helpless, and instead to make our intent sharper as a result of the challenges others force us to face and reflect upon. So its a process.
Your thread here is very well written and describes things we all should consider from the perspective of sorcery. Thanks for it.
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As
one can see, the black magicians have already engaged all your
allegiance.” Enchantra
As I have said elsewhere my favorite word is NO! My life was a mess before I learned how to say this word. There was a time where it was required that I actively seek to break all the allegiances that were constantly being enforced. Those NOs I uttered were a shock to those around me that had developed relationships with me based on those allegiances and I had to deal with the fall out of those broken deals. After that it became more of a maintenance, learning how not to create the same allegiances so I would not put myself in the same position of having to utter the kind of NOs that were required to break long lasting affectionate bonds of falsehoods.
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As one can see, the black magicians have already engaged all your allegiance.” Enchantra
As I have said elsewhere my favorite word is NO! My life was a mess before I learned how to say this word. There was a time where it was required that I actively seek to break all the allegiances that were constantly being enforced. Those NOs I uttered were a shock to those around me that had developed relationships with me based on those allegiances and I had to deal with the fall out of those broken deals. After that it became more of a maintenance, learning how not to create the same allegiances so I would not put myself in the same position of having to utter the kind of NOs that were required to break long lasting affectionate bonds of falsehoods.
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lex icon wrote:As one can see, the black magicians have already engaged all your allegiance.” Enchantra
learning how not to create the same allegiances so I would not put myself in the same position of having to utter the kind of NOs that were required to break long lasting affectionate bonds of falsehoods.Lex icon, Yes!
To Nu Lang, examples of black magic are all around us, telling a person they look like they have cancer, great example, certainly can be used in logical ways, to go to the doc early , get detected and treated etc etc. But to look at it from a sorcery perspective rather than a logical avg man's perspective, words have power, they are spells in an of themselves and we, as people with power need to use them wisely. Healers will tell you, that speaking with clear intent and power is the most important step in healing, not just from cancer, but from any illness, injury or dis-ease!
Nu Lang wrote:I
think this is an issue where its not black and white though. And its not
easy to unravel it all when you consider this. For example, Ruiz gave
that a person tells another about the color of their face indicating
cancer...in keeping with that example, though its not the best (because
its not a common thing to say), lets say this causes the person to go to
the doctor and this person finds out that they have cancer, but its in
early stages and so can be cured. The reason they went to the doctor is
becasue someone suspected cancer. So this is an example of the
complexity of 'logic' applied to an issue that is not balck and white as
it at first appears. That comment was an omen of spirit in such a case,
rather then black magic.
Another example of black magic I heard the other day:
Lady #1 "I went for my cataract surgery today"
Lady #2 "my doctor told me that by the time we are 70, almost everyone will have cataracts."
As a healer and sorcerer, I watch carefully the words I use and the words I listen to and the agreements I make. I don't want to get cataracts, so I refuse to agree to the black magic that I will get them 'one day.'
That is my agreement with myself, to not agree with the blac magic being presented and spread around.
Another example a TV commercial "Seven out of ten people will be diagnosed with heart disease this year."
You get the picture. ...
Nu Lang wrote:
Another example is that other people's 'black magic' can be a means of
freedom and release for us. So black magic, as its refered to here is
sometimes the 'cure'. Such as, I go to work and someone tells me
something mean, like lets say they criticise the way I handled a
situation on the job. I go home and cry becasue I am so upset, and then I
ask myself,"why am I crying over what this person said abotu me, and
then I begin to recap my own past and locate stuff to let go of and next
day I feel better and am a stronger person the next time I encounter
this co worker or a similar work situation. So spirit uses poeple, they
are agents of spirit and the aim is to help us examine and release what
has been tucked away in us as hurt and feeling helpless, and instead to
make our intent sharper as a result of the challenges others force us to
face and reflect upon. So its a process.
Black magic is not a means for freedom. What you describe above, people criticizing your performance, may be the work of a petty tyrant, I can't say for sure based on the info provided, but it is not an example of black magic at work. Criticisms are not always black magic... Can be so, but not always.
Another example of black magic a Lady says "high cholesterol runs on the family, your mother had it and you'll surely have it, too"
Or "The end of the world is coming, we need to prepare for the worst."
Or "Country ABC is going to take over Country XYZ, we need to be ready so we can fight back"
So many examples I could go on for days, but the point is, as sorcerers, to be aware. We know that words have power and we know that we have the power to undo black magic if we so choose. So it is our responsibility as men of power, or healers as the case may be, not only to not buy into it, by making excuses and spouting 'what-if's, but also to use our words carefully, an act of power each time we speak, intent and will combined, not to help spread black magic but to help us find our path to freedom!
So, Nu Lang, it is black and white, our words have power, we must use them wisely.
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To Nu Lang, examples of black magic are all around us, telling a person they look like they have cancer, great example, certainly can be used in logical ways, to go to the doc early , get detected and treated etc etc. But to look at it from a sorcery perspective rather than a logical avg man's perspective, words have power, they are spells in an of themselves and we, as people with power need to use them wisely. Healers will tell you, that speaking with clear intent and power is the most important step in healing, not just from cancer, but from any illness, injury or dis-ease!
I know what you were saying, about the power of suggestion. I was just adding that we can't have a fixed definition about it all. We hunt power and sometimes that means we listen to what people tell us (omens) and other times we reject their perspectives because they are limiting (what you call black magic here). If we concluded its always black magic, then we would miss important signals from spirit, is all I meant. We have to always be available to spirit, which means we are sort of definitionless to a degree, though I do see we need to harness working definitions, but just be aware they are not certainties, the only certainty is our inner knowing (link to nagual) and even that transforms, but I say its what we put our trust in, follow.
The reason I say its not black and white is becasue good can come out of bad and bad can come out of good. I agree with you though that as sorcerers we must use our intent wisely. For we intend ourselves forward. For me intent is about freedom and release from self-reflection (conditioning), freedom from the limits of 'this world' as we speak about it here in this thread. Transformation into new worlds of perceiving. In order to do that we must first learn to navigate this one and then step beyond its confines. It all sounds so concrete but actually these are visual reference points, that perhaps end up one day being truly concrete, same as this world is. But whatever new worlds we assemble we would have to adjust to that and so we are back to that same need for navigation of such world. So the only thing left from this is seeing that fluidity (no reference) sustains everything.
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The point of this thread, simply is to be on the look out for black magic. If you don't believe it's necessary, fine.
Sorcerers use whatever they need to.
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I believed it was necessary and also that there were dimensions to this to also consider.
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For we intend ourselves forward. NL
I know this is a reference from TAOD, but what do you mean by the term? And how would we do that? And what happens when we don't intend ourselves forward?
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For me I meant our intent directs us. Behind all our acts is the intent to act or not act, and also to perceive. If we stop intending we stop. Do you perceive intent as otherwise? What's your intent on intent?
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" Intend it foward " could mean something quite different depending if you are in the 1st 2nd 3rd Attention. If dreaming " intend it forward" will place you inside lucid dreaming and keep you there for as long as you intend.
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ninth octave wrote:" Intend it foward " could mean something quite different depending
Or you could intend your double forward....
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Yep! Intent is all there is really.
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Interesting theme I've been noticing lately, the concept of black vs white, good vs evil, positive vs negative. Is it really this simple? Can we divide and split sides so equally? Is there really no spectrum in our colorful world?
From the shoplifter who steals so that their child can have an apple for dinner, for the soon to be father who gets a speeding ticket while driving his in-labor wife to the hospital, or for the 18 year old soldier who must either kill or be killed. Where is that fine line that determines who is good and who is bad? Some may say this is karma or their own doing ... which sometimes it is or sometimes isn't. Somethings are lent to chance, what about killing a pedestrian in the crosswalk while we were rushing on our way to work? We shouldn't have been rushing? I don't know if the line in the sand is as clear as the one drawn on the blackboard.
I admit, it would be nice to live in a world where everything were that simple. Where rules offer the final say and it's us vs them. Reminds me of the good ol days where I was chasing down the ice cream truck. Ok, I didn't REALLY chase him down. He was parked so I walked.
Now here is where it gets tricky. Where do those imperfect people fall on the black and white grid? Into the void or limbo? I've done some pretty petty things and I'm sure others have done worse... but they've turned their lives around and are at the exact opposite end of where they were. Reminds me of becoming a better person. If we were all born perfect, there would be no lessons to be learned. So the question is, where is the line?
Black magick is just at the end of the spectrum. Yes, I've decided it's a spectrum. You're either with or against me, like it or not. Haha, just kidding, that would be dualistic wouldn't it. I'm not saying I agree with it or not, everyone has their reasons for practicing whatever it is they practice. For those that do, maybe that's the most efficient way they've learned to work with power. That doesn't make them 'bad' ... possibly ill-guided or not very creative ... but if shown alternative ways, I'm sure there'd be at least a small percentage who would be willing to take a walk on the white side for a brief while. Visa versa. Noone is perfect... well ok, noone LIVING
On a side note, if I had a family history of cancer (which I do in fact), I wouldn't consider it negative thinking if my doctor informs me I have a higher chance of being afflicted with it. I mean, I'm all for the teammate who screams at me, "Kao! Heads up! You're about to get crushed!" I agree though, negative thoughts aren't worth entertaining. In the end, to me it seems like it would be useful to know how to differentiate between black, white, roygbiv, and to possibly erase the line. Lines are meant to be crossed.
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Men are good and women are evil! Nuff said.
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Lol, is this the voice of seeing?
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the use of intent against/damaging the LifeForce in any manyfestation is evil/black
the use of intent for/healing the LifeForce in any manyfestaion is good/white
in the tao teh king it is written
Nature is unkind
the Sage is unkind
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Its funny how, if one were born pure and stayed pure...meaning totally white magic, then they would not know of evil, even if one explained it to them, they would have no way to access its frequency except to allow it in and thus know it inside themselves.
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Nagual LoneWolf wrote:Men are good and women are evil! Nuff said.
Ha, you must have read my mind, as I was thinking this today. I didn't 'mean it' it was just one of my impure thoughts...yes I am one of those who let the evil in. Well, I grew up with strong women and I saw how cruel they can be. Men are violent, women are cruel. Men will kill you with a gun or fist, women will kill you with a smile on their face and with words or ruin your reputation. Men you can spot, women use stealth. And yes, I realize its not so defined, such as some men exhibit more like women and vice verse, but its rarer.
So yes I know I am wrong to hold this view, but its also based on experience so there is some right about it.
That being said, women who elevate their spiritual side become the most beautiful beings of all, I believe. Well, not more beautiful, but in a certain lovely way that is so female.
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I WAS the voice of seeing then. Yeah, seeing is never logical.
typo meant to say "It was" the voice of seeing, lol.
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Enlightenment in any form is beautiful, especially to those who are able to see.
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Seesaw, yep this is the voice of seeing. Kind of disapointing isn't it.
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I disagree about enlightenment being beautiful K. Thats just idealism. Dare i say it but much of what i read from so called non dual enlightened people is still pretty full of self importance, hence the intense focus on the idea that 'they' are not there anymore. Its just a specialised form of self reflection at the beginning. Maybe later they do beautiful things with it but the two dont automatically go together.
I dont 'see' this BTW. This is just another opinion. In fact I rarely have experiences of seeing. I rarely experience the voice of seeing. Things have to get really 'way out there' before that kicks in.
Coming back to the subject in point though, the whole idea of black and white magic is really just a comparison of opinions. A bit like if you show me yours i'll show you mine.
What else can it be until those amongst us can actually 'see' such things ?
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