The Nagual Manuel

[Nagual LoneWolf]

The core of sorcery is knowing. Knowing that is true and yet cannot be explained. I know there is such a one as Manuel, the new Nagual of the Americas. I feel
him through the network of this planets filaments of energy. We have been blessed with having Dreamways give us his name. I did not know the name yet. Manuel
is young and has became a master. Any here who know or have heard of him post it here. This is important.

[dreamways]

Nagual LoneWolf wrote:

The core of sorcery is knowing. Knowing that is true and yet cannot be explained. I know there is such a one as Manuel, the new Nagual of the Americas. I
feel him through the network of this planets filaments of energy. We have been blessed with having Dreamways give us his name. I did not know the name yet.
Manuel is young and has became a master. Any here who know or have heard of him post it here. This is important.


I agree with you, he is the Nagual. I've been trying to figure out why the inorganic beings called him a "benefactor" instead of a nagual, well
actually the ultimate living benefactor. It could mean many things. My personal take on him is the same as yours though, that he is the Nagual, and,
certainly the person that I would follow.

[dreamways]

My sense is that Manuel is an Earth based nagual, as far as his energy goes. He has "dark" energy, but it is organic. So, he is quite different from Castaneda in personality and general vibe, as Carlos was a fountain of inorganic
energy, from what I saw. I honestly don't know if I would be a "buddy" with him or not, but I get the feeling that he is a friendly person, more
approachable than most. It is his energy that is important though, not his persona.

[heluka]

I guess it is cool to have more nagals around. However , I see that most of these nagals, will be hoarding towards the nagal with the most accumulated power.
There is a new Toltec forum headed by Theun Mares. This forum costs money, but is an ultimate trick of the spirit. Also, it is tottally owned by the nagal,
decorated to perfection, and thus permeated by the nagal. The cry of the eagle . awe .

[another spirit]

hey. still trying to find a pic, but the ozric tentacles album - "become the other" has an iguana on the back. if anybody finds it feel free to link
it up here.

[Plain Crazy]

I think we should respect the privacy of Nagual Manuel. This thread should be in the private forum. I wouldn't tip wannabes about REAL naguals whereabouts.
(Dreamways mentioned country and city).




2 cent's worth opinion.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Your opinion is much appreciated Plain Crazy. I have heard others saying the same things regarding Nagual Manuel. He is forming a party that has fragments of
Don Juan's party.

[another spirit]

crazy. the nagual is everywhere though. but i don't tell those with tonal/1st attn. goals/obsessions/possessions where i live either. spirit only please.
im certain if we're meant to meet, then it will happen quite naturally.

[Vrill]

Hi again everyone!




I hadn't heard of Manuel, so I have no opinion there. A good litmus test for any teacher, is what is their prime motivation?


Is it to make money, get power, or to serve other beings in their search for freedom, (or some other eternal quality).




If their motivation is any other than to serve and be selfless then, I would be wary, for at best they have fancy tricks to teach, their being, their karma,
would not be pure, causing ripple effects that cause a lot of suffering.




Lately my background has been of Tibetan Buddhism, and that is coin of the realm in my tradition.


Of course this may go without saying, but then I though it perhaps worthy of repetition. At any rate Lone Wolf's recommendation says a lot! Does anyone
have any links or book titles, etc?

[another spirit]

Tao Te Ching

[another spirit]

In the legendary biographies of some Buddhist adepts from the 2nd- and 9th-centuries there are some clues which can be interpreted to reveal that the adepts
were consuming psychedelic Amanita muscaria, 'fly agaric', mushrooms to achieve enlightenment. This secret ingredient in the alchemical elixir they
used to attain 'realization' was, of course, unnamed, in keeping with their vows to maintain the secrecy of their practices. Its identity was concealed
behind a set of symbols, some of which appeared in the Soma symbol system of the Rg Veda, some other symbols possibly passed down from a time of earlier
shamanic use of the mushroom in the forests of Northern Eurasia, and some symbols that may be unique to these Buddhist legends. The congruity of these sets of
symbols from Northern and Southern Asian traditions will be shown to be reflected in the Germanic tradition in some characteristics of the Oldest God, Odin.


used for strength of body. legal, potent. be careful if you pursue, but that should go without saying.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Vrill--nice to see you back!

[Vrill]

Thanks so much! I am glad to see this board so vibrantly alive!

[Eilias123]

I agree about not giving out too many details about the nagual's whereabouts. I remember reading in "a Separate Reality" where don juan tells
castaneda out of the blue that no apprentice should ever reveal the location of the Nagual to the general public.

[dreamways]

Plain Crazy wrote:

I think we should respect the privacy of Nagual Manuel. This thread should be in the private forum. I wouldn't tip wannabes about REAL naguals
whereabouts. (Dreamways mentioned country and city).



Well, I figured that since he is currently the most powerful Nagual alive that he could handle it if pointed him out. Somebody with as much energy as him
can't stay invisible forever, and he's going to have people following him around whether he likes it or not. It is definitely enough to just have
minimal contact with him to receive an energetic benefit, you don't really have to be in his party, but it sure wouldn't hurt either. Anyway, maybe I
shouldn't reveal much more about him unless I am able to ask his permission first, I don't really want to start problems for no reason. So, I actually
deleted the whole second paragraph.

[Psycho Yogi]

dreamways wrote:

Anyway, maybe I shouldn't reveal much more about him unless I am able to ask his permission first, I don't really want to start problems for no
reason. So, I actually deleted the whole second paragraph.



The point is that there are social naguals that live semi-public lives
around normal people doing web-pages, workshops, interviews, books, etc as a part of a marketing strategy (the list is long) and naguals that are rather strict in their
sorceric approach and deal with social groups scarcely and with great
care, such as the naguals of Don Juan's lineage.




I wouldn't like assholes knocking at my door and I think that most naguals share the sentiment. Castaneda's history, for instance, is filled with cases
of insane wannabes approaching him for countless dull reasons instead
of the only one that matters (freedom of the spirit).




This is what actually killed him more than the rest of his indulgences. Dull people will literally suck the life out of you.




Being a natural friend of naguals I wouldn't like to interfere with their quiet lives. If this nagual wants publicity he will do it on his own accord as a
part of his controlled folly.




At any rate prepared or deserving individuals find naguals without them being advertised anywhere. Sometimes naguals actually find them.

[dreamways]

Psycho Yogi wrote:


dreamways wrote:

Anyway, maybe I shouldn't reveal much more about him unless I am able to ask his permission first, I don't really want to start problems for no
reason. So, I actually deleted the whole second paragraph.




The point is that there are social naguals that live semi-public
lives around normal people doing web-pages, workshops, interviews, books, etc as a part of a marketing strategy (the list is long) and naguals that are rather strict in their
sorceric approach and deal with social groups scarcely and with great
care, such as the naguals of Don Juan's lineage.




I wouldn't like assholes knocking at my door and I think that most naguals share the sentiment. Castaneda's history, for instance, is filled with
cases of insane wannabes approaching him for countless dull reasons
instead of the only one that matters (freedom of the spirit).




This is what actually killed him more than the rest of his indulgences. Dull people will literally suck the life out of you.




Being a natural friend of naguals I wouldn't like to interfere with their quiet lives. If this nagual wants publicity he will do it on his own accord as
a part of his controlled folly.




At any rate prepared or deserving individuals find naguals without them being advertised anywhere. Sometimes naguals actually find them.





I agree. There are all sorts of valid spiritual teachers out there, and Manuel is not the only one that deals with inorganic energy or has a connection with
the death defiers. Maybe the best way to put it is that he is channeling the most energy of any of them, and why nature creates people like him I don't
know. Is anyone better off with a nagual like this, rather than a more middle of the road leader? I don't know the answer to that either. Maybe by
focusing on Manuel, our attention is diverted from the other ones, so that they can be left in peace, maybe that's his function. Either way, eventually he
will not be able to stay anonymous, too many people will notice him no matter what he does. That's his fate.

[dreamways]

I created a thread here http://nagual.yuku.com/topic/712


about the Blue Morpho Butterfly, which is the totem of the new death defier. She is the companion of Manuel, and she offers the old sorcerers' alternative
energy to the mix. The only questions about Manuel that I have are about which path is he on. Is he trying to follow Don Juan, doing a repeat of Castaneda,
playing shaman, fitting in with some mainstream religion, or going full-on inorganic? Is he trying to bend the rules or sticking to what is proven to work?




Between Mexico and Argentina, there are many shaman types that could easily be mistaken for Manuel, and maybe even offer a valid alternative to him, but he
certainly isn't as obvious to the casual searcher as you might think. Just FYI, many people use the symbol of the Blue Morpho to represent their path, he
is not the only one. And death defiers are never "nice" no matter what their nature connection is.

[charlila]

LoneWolf:
I know there is such a one as Manuel, the new Nagual of the Americas.LoneWolf - what do you mean by "the new Nagual of the Americas"?
are the Americas a single warrior party?
or is Manuel chosen president of Nagual Sosiety?
or what? 

Dreamways:
agree with you, he is the Nagual.Dreamways
whose Nagual?

[dreamways]

charlila wrotereamways:
agree with you, he is the Nagual.Dreamways
whose Nagual?
It doesn't really matter who his specific party members are, because somebody like this is powerful enough to act as a nagual for anyone.

[Guest]

Goodmorning to everyone!
I have many questions about these matters.
How can we define Manuel a Nagual?
Socially and energetically (as reported by CC) Don Juan had these feautures, Manule even if powerfull was defined not a Nagual.
I only ask where do you find references to affirm this.
Regarding allies, I have met a young pepole that affirm to have some allies. He knows very well CC and his own philisophy, but I wonder: having allies could be surely an essential step to have a third point of perception, but if you get them with desire of your self immage, what this will generate?
Other question: how get allies?
He will decide to touch the human being? Or it is necessary to impose your voluntee during the re-search?
For the one who talked about Wotan, I can add that to me this God seems to be the prototype of a Nagual, or better a master of stalking and "magic"

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Good Morning Naqa. The new nagual Manuel is not the same Manuel from the CC books. He is newly found through the dreaming of seers here and there. Defining a nagual is labeling, I believe there is no way to define anyone but only descriptions we use to understand. As for the reference, it is not to be wholly revealed to the eyes of all. Allies are that, they are allies thus our friends and teachers/helpers. To get allies? One must walk the path and go to the wild places where they will come to you. Welcome to the Shamanic Warrior forums!

[rosygyro]

Heres a really good shot of a TOLTEC...
The youtube video is basicly a couple of nutters...
not quite in the style of johnny knoxville..
but they nail their peniss to things.. and snort chilli powder...and get wrestled by people all over the world..
they have done the seven continent and done ultimate highs and been beaten up repeatedly in every single place they stay...
and they get paid and it gets filmed...
regardless of how stupid they sometimes seem they are on the edge of pain and meeting hundreds of shamen and getting wrecked .. they are media representation of the edge..
the TOLTEC in this is hilarious... he starts about half way through.. but watch the whole clip.. the wrestlings a good "mexican" start.. (at least i think its mexican!)

[rosygyro]

even funnier.. about that wrestling scene...

is that they are being half kicked and wrestle slapped..

and when they are back home they throw bmx,s at each other!

[Guest]

Nagual LoneWolf wrote:
Good Morning Naqa. The new nagual Manuel is not the same Manuel from the CC books. He is newly found through the dreaming of seers here and there. Defining a nagual is labeling, I believe there is no way to define anyone but only descriptions we use to understand. As for the reference, it is not to be wholly revealed to the eyes of all. Allies are that, they are allies thus our friends and teachers/helpers. To get allies? One must walk the path and go to the wild places where they will come to you. Welcome to the Shamanic Warrior forums!thank you very much Lone Wolf.
I did'n understand about this other Manuel.
But do you think that allies are really only in wild places?
In town?
Wild places as places in which we are not confident with our ordinary perception? In this case also dreams.
but maybe i am telling obviuos things.
I did some dreams in which a man helped me to learn something in dreams, such as to cut off my hand a white worms.
Maybe i am applying a way to perceive the world which is similar to the clòassical dycothomy between to contemplation of philosophy and the world of "doing", but this knowledge of healing my dream body seems to me a step under the pure contemplation of other realms. 
I stop my out topic with a consideration that if you prefer i will re-write in the right place: which is the difference between tha allies and the inorganic councelor as described by castaneda?
Are they the same kind?
Sorry for my elementar question, but i am learning and i cannot avoid even what seems obvious.
Thank you for your welcome
Nice day to everyone
Naga