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Every person that has been putted in touch with Nagual Awareness at any time in their lives in a deep or shallow fashion will be in danger of falling into what I like to call Nagual Tonality.
What's that Chatty? Well... I'll tell ya.
The Tonal, as a grabbing **** that it is, will attach itself to nagual experiences, feelings, perceptions, etc... and will make them a thing of the tonal.
Well Chatty, that's big fancy talk right there...but what's the problem with that? Ah... good question.
The problem with that is that the AP will get superglued into a dull position. The tonal, most of the times disliked and something that most spiritually driven people tries to beat now becomes our beloved, mighty and all self-important self-image.
So what Chatty? If I'm a nagual, who gives a damn about that? Listen closely, for this IS important...
There is no freedom with self-importance.
You can fly to far-out places, have marvelous powers, impress assholes and get your way in general, but the feeling of freedom will continue to evade you. So think about what you really want, for you will get it one way of the other. Not everybody wants freedom, even if everybody yearns for it.
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Freedom is a grand word, it invokes many to die for it, to seek it and for some to deny it. Warriors seek freedom but when they find it they must be aware that freedom is non restrictive thus they can maintain it by feeding it with their heart. Freedom can be release. Freedom can be an end. Freedom can be the beginning of the new nagual soul.
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sounds like chattynobody is beginning to get some real traction from the tonal..
It certainly sounds like the grabbing **** of the tonal.. is at least doing it in a co-hesive fashion..
I hate it when its just energetic attatchemnt without true intelligence..
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Freedom is the inevitable end of all real Paths of Heart. It's just a matter of time.
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So why in your other thread do you describe warriorship as not being a purpose in itself!
Its purpose in itself is to descibe the path of the heart!
regardless of wether it serves a purpose as a VERB!
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rosygyro wrote:So why in your other thread do you describe warriorship as not being a purpose in itself!
And also state WE do not need to work together...That's simply because the point of consensus IS working together, as in dull masses having a consensual reality to relate, for they have such a need.
Warriorship is about war. The question is, what are warriors fighting for? In my case, my personal war is beyond survival: It's about the Spirit. Others don't share that notion and that is fine.
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Sorry.. i edited during the time you were writing a response!
Warriorship of the heart.. is the battle to live via the hearts purpose..
and to negate the minds purpose.. as it is the mind which keeps common man enslaved..
consensual reality of the mind...is not overtly consensual.. but is in fact a riddle which no-one can utilize..
consensual reality of the heart. is a level of spiritual psychism... which does have a relative purpose...
plus it is the mind which strengthens energetic attachment which would otherwise be atrophied by POWER.
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Besides if a "WARRIOR" isnt fighting for the same freedom as other warriors...
then he is not a warrior..
warrior is a spirit.. the collective have a duty to co-habit..
being alone and battling is more apprenticeship.. and more learning!
There are expressive layers to warriorship..
But they are a collective expression..
and yes.. if you are saying you are a warrior.. with whom others dont share..and that your warriorship is about SPIRIT!
Then you are being negative about other peoples spiritual understanding in contrast to your desire to be about war beyond survival!
which without being pedantic about your actual use of words.. is actually a challenging thing to say.. in an arena focused on FREEDOM!
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I'm pedantic, yes. I'm working on it, though.
Share I do share, but I don't need people, sorcerers, seers and naguals to agree with me, nor I would like them to. Agreement and disagreement is tonal folly. Seers all see the same. If they don't see the same, they don't see.
Interpretation is another matter.
I would like for them to see for themselves. There is more to spirituality than it meets the eye.
I for one find myself learning something new everyday.
PS: I write as I write simply because every time I have told this to a number of forum lurkers I got responses that made it painfully obvious that such people had no understanding nor practice worth a damn.
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The trouble is that your previous post .. reminded me very much of a dear friend of mines mindset..
Simon his name is..
he had an incredible understanding of the mathematics in the spiralling form of a pine cone..
or a sea shell, or a holly leaf!
He was very much the mispent genius..
he would practice nature druidry.. and make electronic music..
and speak of.. and hear is the problemm..
he would pereptually speak of others as if they were either evil or stupid...
i would find him in clubs or pubs where people where drinking , drugtaking, dancing, or just seekign the usual..
where he would be seated on the floor.. in a cross legged position..
with fingers buddhisticly posed..
trying to bring love and ligth to everyone...
yet so determined was he to be the unseen yogic martyr..
and so well did he guard nature and the buddha posture..
that many unsuspecting "normal" people..
where put in contrast to his spirituality..
consequently..
they never did find the cross legged buddha position very inspiring...
as it was occupied wholly by a bitter minded tyrant!
It worries me when you say
"In my case, my personal war is beyond survival: It's about the Spirit. Others don't share that notion and that is fine."
because to me that stinks of people who take the best spiritual position they can find!
and then declare that no-one else can have that position...
and seemingly no matter how heartfelt they are.. they spend the best part of their lives sabotaging other peoples attempst at finding true centre..
because they want to be ALONE as well as in the best position of the assemblage..
personally.. IF you want to be a alone.. Be a warrior and go to a position that no man in his right mind would ever occupy... and find your WARRIOR peace there!
nice places are for nice people and should be made easy for all people to assemble
Warrior positions are for warriors.. and warriors are the only people who WANT to occupy the position of warrior..
you cannot have it both ways..
what are you?
and before we continue..
You are not a spokesperson for XOXONAPO!
I think we can judge and be judged for ourselves.. PEACE!
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rosygyro wrote:Warrior positions are for warriors.. and warriors are the only people who WANT to occupy the position of warrior..
you cannot have it both ways..
what are you?
and before we continue..
You are not a spokesperson for XOXONAPO!
I think we can judge and be judged for ourselves.. PEACE!Your answer doesn't surprise me. Your memories are your problem. If I need council, I'll ask a nagual. Not thank you for your reactive outbursts.
My policy is very simple: For friends, everything within my power, for the rest indifference. This is not a nagual concept but, as you can imagine, I don't give a damn.
PS: Xoxonapo doesn't need spokesperson. I just threw a heads up. If I upset you, it's your problem.
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out of seven billion people.. of whom very few share similar ethos..
you wander in here with an attitude!
are you looking to spread division?
Besides you havent answered the obvious point in my post!
It regards the spiritual centre that all men desire.. and have a right to occupy...in peace!
versus the warrior centre.. that few can access.. but is hell on earth in order to create strength and challenge within the tonal of the warrior! (hence battle!)
I am asking you.. if you are staking a claim on the spiritual center..
or claiming to be a warrior!
also i am implying that i wish you to display a smattering of knowledge of both centres and your ethical standpoint on separatism.
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Also in "auric networks" It is a very simple task..
to syphon such simple ideaologies of "being nice to my friends and indifferent to others" of their power..
and rule you by your inflexible attitude to that you know and that you dont!
everyone is indifferent to strangers.. its called lack of empathy!
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rosy im glad youre typing in lower case i can actually read what you are saying now.
incidentally i'm in that position of going to the place of poverty to ensure total freedom. and i love the venus calendar too. 7 monkeye.
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Povert is madness..
it drives me insane not being able to afford to do anything!
i think that if i could go anywhere and do anything i would be base jumping and scuba diving!
and building huge welded occult machines.. as well as casting 24kt gold abstract nuggets that wedged together seamlessly..
fusing sand and melting quartz.. not to mention the truly massive amount of sex..
The only thing i like about being poor and crazy..
Iss that the women i get love me for what i am despite my lifechoices...
I trust that it must be their hearts that help them overcome the obvious drawbacks of sleeping with someone who actually believes he is the real dalailama!
when i get rich.. I think i will go for one of the girls who loved me before.
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I had a dream two nights ago of meeting you rosy and there was another man there I can't remember what he looked like or if i could even tell what he looked like that I thought might be you another spirit..poverty can be a good thing if you aren't starving or sleeping on the street and you have good friends and some enjoyment of life but I would like to have a music studio and be able to travel and take care of the family
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just got a job. still living in the woods
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yes. where exactly is OO, US? is that like 00texas or something?
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hehe , nah it's not texas, according to the map I am in the midwest but i like OO and my feet are wherever I stand.
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