Sorcery

[rosygyro]

Ok basicly-



A man who still has his fear to go through..

cannot see all of matter..

It is rather like looking at a sphere..

but one part remaining in shadow..

although we can predict its shape.. its surface is unknown to us!



A man who is engaged in the battle of sobriety has uncovered the shadow to a much larger degree than others..

However as their is only ONE SPHERE of beingness...

The areas uncovered can sometimes mark and cross boundasries within other peoples fear or unknown..

conseuently SOBRITY has a bit too much cleverness to be balanced with others..

Its a lot like trying to reign in a troublesome horse.. the battle for sobriety is found through implementing laws of respect and sharing"within" areas that you could totally dominate if you chose to fail your test against the second enemy!

OVERDELVING into others awarness becasue of weakness is counter-evolution because energetic attatchment is caused by their fear of your energy.





hence the atom model for some is in darkness.. and for others it is too uncovered to be beneficial for compadres this lifetime!



AND ALSO SHM..

the benefits of establishing such ideas.. are that once you have suceeded against the first two enemies..

you get a level of PRIVACY based on challenge rather than fluidity..

meaning your awareness does not have to facillitate those too simple or lazy to earn their own fluidity..

vampires in other words!

[SelfHealedMadman]

~ 
The warrior carefully discerns between "cannot" and "will not" thus choosing self-empowerment over victimization.  
The discernment between what one `cannot' do and what one is `not willing' to accomplish is critical to the distinction between the warrior and the non-warrior.
Non-warriors often shield themselves from the consequences of their own unwillingness by resorting to a stance of incapacity, thus avoiding responsibility for their own flaws, lack of courage, and inaction. This externalization of control is disempowering.  
On the other hand, the warrior prefers the self-empowerment that comes from ownership over behavior and personal circumstances.
He or she affirms personal integrity in acknowledging the difference between true limitations and excuses enshrouded in faulty reasoning or learned inhibitions.
The sooner we acknowledge the extent to which poor choices, apathy and ignorance are contributing to unfavorable personal circumstances, the sooner we are on the way to mastery over the same.

[dreamgirl]

"Non-warriors often shield themselves from the consequences of their own unwillingness by resorting to a stance of incapacity, thus avoiding responsibility for their own flaws, lack of courage, and inaction. This externalization of control is disempowering. "



This pretty much sums me up right now.

[SelfHealedMadman]

dreamgirl wrote:
"Non-warriors often shield themselves from the consequences of their own unwillingness by resorting to a stance of incapacity, thus avoiding responsibility for their own flaws, lack of courage, and inaction. This externalization of control is disempowering. "
This pretty much sums me up right now.....so how do you feel about this?  Not how do you think about this, how do you feel?
Do you accept this 'you' right now?

[rosygyro]

Im in love this week!My fear of perpetual warriorship makes this terrifying.. 
As according to its rules i am being selfish to seek comfort in reflection..
But I PROTEST.. and state my intent..
That the world is more afraid of the warriorship true love can beckon into the world!
Than i am afraid of it crushing me again!
(yet more sand slips through her fingers)

[SelfHealedMadman]

rosygyro wrote:
Im in love this week!
My fear of perpetual warriorship makes this terrifying.. 

As according to its rules i am being selfish to seek comfort in reflection..

But I PROTEST.. and state my intent..

That the world is more afraid of the warriorship true love can beckon into the world!

Than i am afraid of it crushing me again!

(yet more sand slips through her fingers)
Rosy, is that a warriors way of saying that your girlfriend dumped you?

[rosygyro]

well.. to be honest....

this shapeshifting sex tends to freak them out!

its fine being totally fluid sexually!

but ive never quite worked out how to stop them crashing afterwards!

im fine with the hot jelly stage!

[rosygyro]

[rosygyro]

heres a question?



If you have sex with a promiscuous woman! and the relationship deteriorates..

can you blame aspects of her sexual energy of her contamination sexually with other men?



Is that why people become peodophiles?#



Close enough.

[rosygyro]

Of course suggesting that people are born peodophiles out of an instinctive quest for the unknown in human sexuality is a bit avant guarde..

almost the same as saying people are born rapists out of an instinctuive urge to remain stupid about what the unknown contains by forcing their own known into its depths!



Theres certainly some caution to be applied when people say that warriorship and the quest for the unknown requires not doing etc,.. and acheiving TOTALTY of human awarness.

becasue .. AND I STATE MY INTENT..



" I will never ever as long as i live let any part of myself even my UNKNOWABLE protrude into another without consensuality"

I would rather be INTURNED and face my own demons so that the fairer sex can see unhindered by the known"



And that includes OBSERVATION of percieved others in the seers eye!.



Ok statement of intent done AGAIN.

[Grand Speculator]

That's a good one Rosy. I tell myself the same frecuently.

[SelfHealedMadman]

rosygyro wrote:

heres a question?
If you have sex with a promiscuous woman! and the relationship deteriorates..
can you blame aspects of her sexual energy of her contamination sexually with other men?
Is that why people become peodophiles?#
Close enough.
I was engaged to a promiscuous woman once.  
My best friend told me, “She’s screwed the entire city!”  
Of course I told him, “Yea, but it’s a small city.”

[rosygyro]

If your mind doesnt find MALKUT in your observation..

then you are percieving with an element of the dead astral!

If you feel all fibres of your being...

you will know what energy attatchment is!..



its very easy to find comfortable style of mind.. but they are remnats from the dead..

and when you go.. any perception you harvested utilising them will perish just as they did..

Its the living maze we need to determine..



I only say this because your words reminded me of a vantage point in the human mind..

which IS overlooking a city from the hill!

But the fibres clustered there.. are not attached to the flow of life.. so what good is the mind that sees with them?

anything living escapes like a film just running away while you watch!

the only thing to look forward to is the end of the film..

but that will be your death..

or the death of all humanity.. whichever comes first!



Its almost as STUPID as theun mares ORANGE RED SUN idea..

which is created when the last dreaming group fall off the end of our extinction and contemplate infinity..



The dream itself becons destruction..and just because a dreaming group think infinity looks better when theres nothing living in the way! xx

[Mornings Son]

Great vision Rosy. Thanks it is useful to me

[SelfHealedMadman]

~ 
Are YOU a Sorcerer?  
Why?  
In Dreaming discussions we’ve covered the topic of Freedom.  I’m not going to cover that topic here, as it’s not the point.  The point of the conversations covers many aspects, some of which I’ve had a difficult time understanding and accepting.  One such topic mentioned was being a Sorcerer or the art of Sorcery, and how that relates to our Freedom discussions.  
It seems many throw around the word Sorcery, or becoming a Sorcerer.  “This is what a Sorcerer would do…”  Yet, I’m unsure if most (including myself) truly understand the question, “Why use Sorcery?”  
Discussions in Dreaming can be very taxing.  Bringing them forth to my waking conscious can become even more taxing.  Obviously I have to recall the discussions, and then put them in a linear sequence so that they make sense…while at the same time keeping in mind the overall gist of the discussion.  So, for me to pluck one little section out of our discussions to post to the message board so that it makes sense to anyone else can be quite challenging.  
(It all sounds good in my head, but how to explain in a post?)  
Clear as mud?  Ok, let’s progress…  
As I’ve been pushed in Dreaming, I also push myself in waking to achieve understanding.  I just knew there was something, somewhere, that would assist me in clarifying what I’m being told in Dreaming.  
Yesterday, as I was scrolling through a folder on my computer, a piece of the puzzle was revealed.  A small piece mind you, but a piece none-the-less.  
Once again, this is a huge topic in my mind, and Sorcery is a piece of the puzzle.  What I found in the computer were several old posts by a friend of mine.  There’s a tremendous amount of material in these posts, but once again, I’m going to narrow it down (for now) to a section in regards to Sorcery.  Or, “Why use Sorcery?”  Or, even more precise, “Why use THE STRUCTURE of Sorcery?”  
Here are a few of his comments, perhaps you’ve read them before, years ago.  
“My feeling has long been that we’ve been looking at all this stuff from the wrong perspective. Or, rather, a perspective that only serves to build yet further structure. Don Juan specifically said that the only point of sorcery was to build an alternative world to collide with our normal world. When the two worlds collide, they negate and undermine the fixed certainty we have in either world – and the result is ‘nagual’ – no thing. 
The world of sorcery that we create should have a fixed limit – but it doesn’t. Like a cancer, it grows and grows and grows. New theories add in, new ‘rules’, new New Age sources supply new ‘extensions’ to the ever growing ‘Toltec’ or new age shamanism. 
But it’s just more structure. All it is, is making our world of sorcery more fixed; but that was never the point. The point was to undermine fixed world views; to actually leave, as don Juan explicitly stated countless times, controlled madness, undermined reality, fluid perception, fluid movement of assemblage point. The whole point and reason of Toltec is to generate a perception freed from fixed perspectives on every level. 
So why is it that we have these HUGE ‘structures’, with fixed, authoritative rules on why they are true? How have these massive structures grown, and what do they really do for us? 
Again, it’s the direction of knowledge that matters. Building a world of sorcery was a tactical maneuver to challenge our tendency to develop fixed perspectives. The world of sorcery itself isn’t the ‘real’ world view. But we’ve been hoodwinked – not maliciously, but by the logical trajectory of our own language and the very tendencies that the world of sorcery is tactically built to counter in the first place – hoodwinked in to thinking that the ‘Nagual’ or the view outside the cave/Matrix, IS the world of sorcery.  
That means, in practice, that all these structures which people build – from don Miguel, and so on, all of them, all the new religious movements – are perceived ‘as’ the Nagual – or as the Nagual view. But it isn’t. The nagual view isn’t the tactical process – the Toltec, the Zen, whatever. The Nagual view is the view that we get when our structures are undermined. Instead, we’ve built huge, complex structures and worshipped them AS the nagual view. Is looking at the world differently from ‘the herd’ having a nagual view? No; it’s just having a different structure – an equally false structure. 
No one has to believe it. No one has to take it on board, but boy was that a terrible blunder. It’s what leads us in to arguing about minutiae of ‘scripture’. Well, when I say we, I mean you, lol. It’s what allows ‘leaders’ to build groups and then infect the group with the leader’s structure. (Author’s note – I know nothing at all of xxxx’s group, and my comment is general, not specific to anyone.) It’s what allows cults to build hugely complex structures which people use to ‘experience’ the beliefs. 
Many times I’ve talked about the belief experience. If I build you a complex structure, and believe it, then believe me, you will experience it – you will see it everywhere. And if, as part of that belief set, I instruct you to think that what you are seeing is ‘the nagual view’, then you will believe that – not only believe it, you’ll know it; you’ll experience it. 
I hope by now that it’s pretty clear that this advanced stuff – no doubt about it. It’s deeper than the stuff we normally get exposed to in Toltec circles. It takes a bit of consideration to see why and how it works.  
Ideas like The Matrix or Plato’s Cave have what I call ‘active’ properties. They have the power to take someone’s awareness and expand it a little in to considering other possibilities. But, in understanding that some ideas are ‘active’, is also the understanding that the ‘active-ness’ jades. What was active loses its power, because the power an idea has is simply to get you some where. Once you’re there, the only power that that idea has is to get you there, lol – or, in other words, to KEEP you there. That’s its only power. 
But, because we’re not open to the new idea of mapping via negation, we ‘hoard’ our past active ideas, and ‘build’ them, one on top of the other, until they form a massive structure which we then feel is ‘true’ because each stage was so useful to us. We then feel like other people are fools for attacking that structure, because we know from experience that it ‘works’. And then we draw others in to that structure. Effectively, we create a religion and pass it on. 
In reality, that s the wrong ‘direction of knowledge’ for freedom, because it builds a massive structure, rather than undermines our habitual structures. 
My idea is different. For me, I don’t want a huge cancer of dead ideas dragging me down, eating my time as I argue with other people about why it’s ‘true.’ I’ve already worked out that binary division is the core ideology of the human form, and that it infects our language, perceptions and meanings like a virus, continually re-asserting itself in ever more complex replications of the viral fractal. I already know that language is ‘dirty’ – that it continually re-infects all ideas.  
I don’t want that cancer of dead ideas. For me, I’ve negated true/false positions. Is there really a consensus reality? Is it really true? Is any idea true or not true? What matters is the meta-view – to step back and see that no matter how ‘active’ or ‘true’ the idea appears to be, just the fact that we think it is ‘true’ means that we’re still ‘in’ the Matrix, Neo. 
So I’ve replaced the quest for truth with a different way of using knowledge. For me, the ‘structure’ is meaningless – Toltec, Islam, Christianity – all just meaningless structures. What matters is the direct effect on our perception and consciousness, caused by the very act of mapping – i.e. exploring ideas, power plants, meditations, prayers. For me, the ‘truth’ or otherwise of an idea is irrelevant – what matters is, is it ‘active’? Does it have power to cause a shift of perception or awareness? 
That’s the crucial error point, right there, because if, say, ‘The Matrix’ idea causes a shift of awareness, as I’ve said, we’ve been ‘trained’ like dogs to then consider that idea as ‘true’ when really, it was only ‘active’. Then we hoard it, build upon it, and pass it on. 
What makes it ‘die’ and become part of the cancer of belief is that the ‘active’ component of ideas tends to be very limited. Just like The Matrix idea was mind blowing, and now it’s completely main stream. Its ‘active’ potential was used up – but, people hoard it, instead of negating and moving past. The ‘active point’ is the point where our awareness is ‘mapping’ right now. As each idea moves our awareness, we need to negate it, dare to see why it was wrong, even if it helped us. Although that is, naturally, an extension of binary thinking, once we release ourselves from the idea that we are mapping ‘truth’, we’re free to realize that it’s actually just a creative process – an artistic relationship with ideas, the important aspect of which is the effect on our minds caused by actively mapping and negating. 
It takes courage, especially at first, because we cling to our structures; even argue with others that they are ‘true’. But building structure is what we were programmed to do. We actually only need a very small what we might call ‘sorcery’ structure – just a few critical tools to allow us to derail our usual reality – whether it be consensus reality, or other. ‘Sorcery’ structure need only be small – but instead, we over load it with structure, and perceive that as ‘nagual view’.”  
That’s enough for now…makes sense to me    
SHM

[rosygyro]

it seems to me.. he is saying that the nagual is only a nano-unit away from our world!and that the world of the sorcerers is only in place to polarize with our world..
in order to highlight the nagual between...
hence the nexus is not in the group activation of the world of the sorcerers..
but the realisation that all sorceric worlds have a normal mirror thee far side of the naguals interface..


i deduce from this..
That gradual contamination of the paths that lead "through" the nagual.. for some.. and remain blocked for others..
has made the entire aztec games a farce!

[Mornings Son]

Great post SHM
It makes much sense for me and confirms that what I have done with knowledge was 'right' - even though I felt like a fool all the way, cos I didn't dig so deep into it, finding out the right and wrong with other people and mastering the concepts. Still the effect of being deranged from the tonal happened.
What matters is the direct effect on our perception and consciousness, caused by the very act of mapping – i.e. exploring ideas, power plants, meditations, prayers. For me, the ‘truth’ or otherwise of an idea is irrelevant – what matters is, is it ‘active’? Does it have power to cause a shift of perception or awareness?  The personal experience is the most important - directly experiencing what is. For me this is the essential in shamanism as our personal experience is the direct link with nagual and tonal and our Heart. Polish that link and you will Know the truth from within.
Knowledge and sharing is good/useful a it might open up to 'looking' in new directions and confirming for oneself the truth.

[rosygyro]

i went to the woods today and found a power stone.. which i havent seen since 1998.

The power type .. i mean!

The millenium is finally over!

[Guest]