What is the double ?

[Guest]

A person must keep one simple pose for some time. What can you say about it.
That is called "Body Awareness" and it is the beginning of meditation. Try listening to your breathing also. It is somthing that you can do throughout the day at work or driving your car etc.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Interesting site...the russians are taking nagualism into new and exciting worlds.

[Guest]

Hello Artnware.
In your story about your spiritual experience during childhood you said about cessions with your grandmother, which were conducted in silence. Just silence may be relative to the Holly Spirit. I know several places in a forest in which there exits a strong silence. Even, to my mind, that silence emanates from earth. Maybe you have seen it in Australian desert too? I think that in that cases silence is the planetary energy/vibration. So when we are experencing silence in our trainings, we can come to the contact with planetary energy/conciousness. Hence it is useful to stay in power places, as Don Juan recomended.

[Guest]

Hello Wellyes ...
Yes, that kind of "Silent Communication" in "Oneness" feels like *The Holy Spirit* had descended on you both.
About "power places" ......
I have indeed found such here in Australia, and not only in the desert country .... & each one of these places have had their own strong, unique vibration ....
In the days of the old .... people sought out these "power places"; - places that had special kind of energy to them, enabling these people to let go naturally .....& then gently shift their awareness into a new "dreaming position" i.e. "state of awareness" i.e. "assemblage point of awareness".
But because in Australia, all this kind of thing is still very much practiced with ceremonies and such ...... it opens up an additional opportunity to utilize these power places.
Had from the net, copied and saved in my computer this definition of the astrological 12th house, which I thought was rather lovely & wish to share it here:
12th House Inspiration and Gift
Silence Vibrating is Creation
Silence Flowing is Love
Silence Shared is Friendship
Silence Seen is Infinity
Silence Heard is Adorable
Silence Expressed is Beauty
Silence Maintained is Strength
Silence Omitted is Suffering
Silence Allowed is Rest
Silence Recorded is Scripture
Silence Preserved is Our Tradition
Silence Given is Initiation
Silence Received is Joy
Silence Perceived is Knowledge
Silence Stabalised is Fulfillment
Silence Alone Is...

[Guest]

Thank you...a good poem. I shall learn it.
Quote:places that had special kind of energy to them, enabling these people to "let go" naturally .....& then gently shift their awareness into a new "dreaming position" i.e. "state of awareness" i.e. "assemblage point of awareness".
Now, can you comment this process "let go"? I think it is like a piece of wood floats up to surface of water from a bottom. No strong efforts are needed. We need efforts when begin our awareness from civil occupation..

[SSilhouette]

Better late than never.
I have apparently developed and successfully projected a three-dimensional double to which 10 people have seen thusfar.
Here's how it happened:
For years I practiced lucid dreaming; actually since about the age of 4 or 5 where at that tender age I was lured into an area that very closely approximates the labyrinth of penumbra or the realm of shadows. I rejected that realm much like CC did but it still makes its bid on a regular basis to see if I've changed my mind. Anyway, my lucid dreams progressed to where I learned how to move, how to choose the locations and how to interact with the beings in that realm. I'm almost 42 so you know how many years we're talking about.
At a given point about 5 or 6 years ago, I began to have this feeling like a heavy carpet rolling down the length of my body as I fell asleep each night. This coincided with sharp siezures where every now and then my body felt like it was hit with a taser in my midsection...I actually felt stunned for some time afterwards. These accounts are exactly what CC et al reported. Very soon after that my children, renters and other acquaintences started announcing that they would see me in various places at various times where other people and I could verify that I was not at that time and place but elsewhere with them.
This progression more than any other makes me know that Castaneda hit these aspects on the bullseye. Call it suggestion or what you want, but the realm of shadows I reached before I even knew how to read. Losing the human form happened to me just before I read about it. The double I had already read about at the time it started. The fact that other people are experiencing it and reporting it is more impressive to me than if I'd seen my double myself. These people for the most part hardly or don't even know each other and seperately corroborate what the others have reported.
Grooming the double takes YEARS of dedication to lucid dreaming, but it is not impossible for anyone to reach. Again, it can also be achieved by extreme fatigue (where mine likes to pop out), disease, shock, accident etc.
I've not heard anyone report seeing my double for a year now (last July) but that doesn't mean it isn't popping up and people are just assuming it's me without bothering to check it out. It is strange to know that a full three dimensional solid form of me wanders about and does God knows what. Occasionally my son would see it semi-transparent or only half materialized.And now: back to your regularly scheduled (de)programming...

[Nagual LoneWolf]

hehheheh...ah Ssilhouette I throughly enjoy your musings and posts my dear.

[SSilhouette]

That comment was almost as condescending as Ghost Dog's usually are. Do you believe this "dear" is "musing" about my double?
If you do, you're wrong. I'm deadly serious about it. It is an energetic fact and it has happened to me.
Don't worry, I'm just a warrior striving for formlessness and impeccability. I won't challenge the 'status' of any self-proclaimed nagual. I couldn't lead a gaggle of newly hatched geese, let alone a party of warriors...so I pose no threat.
The Double is real. It developes exactly as Castaneda reported it did. And it has happened to me.
The only aspect of it that I stand in disbelief of is that one can actually move one's physical body in that instant of 'here and here', like Don Juan and Genaro said. Yet one aspect of the double incident where the kids saw me walking to the barn, did hold an element that makes me think it could be done. Because when my daughter's friend walked into the room where I was gathering clothes, she did not see me, nor did I see her. It's a room that's 10'x10' with furniture around the walls and no obstructions to the door whatsoever. And yet just a second later I emerged with a pile of clothes in my arms that could only be found in the dresser of that room. So perhaps, for an instant I was actually physically outside walking to the barn?
It's a mystery; not a tale or fabrication to win powerful status or special consideration due to some alleged personality flaw on my behalf.
And now: back to your regularly scheduled (de)programming...

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Sorry SSil..my post to you was taken entirely wrong. I meant no disrespect nor do I disbelieve or in effect make light whatsoever of your serious nature in this event. Actually I was admiring your post(s) and do consider you a warrior and please, please forgive how my typed words may have sounded. "Dear" is how I speak and "musing" is also another of my written words.
Once you get to know how serious I am regarding such events you will realize how I communicate.
As for words of "status" or "self-proclaimed", well those words are for the sustained reaction forum and rarely ever used here
Your presence is wanted and regarded and esteemed as a valuble asset to the exploration of the nagual and sorcery.
Once again I apologize for how I might have come across in my previous post.
-lone wolf

[Guest]

Hi Nagual Lone Wolf, SSilhouette, and all.
When was reading your story I remembered my own situations, which were not simular in events and details, but were close, in spirit and sensorical images behind details of situations. May be later I'll report about.

[Guest]

Quote:I began to have this feeling like a heavy carpet rolling down the length of my body as I fell asleep each night. This coincided with sharp siezures where every now and then my body felt like it was hit with a taser in my midsection
All these sensoric images are of tactile nature, are not they? In all lucid and not lucid dreams there is one common element - a transfering between situations, seeing by dreamer. This transfering is not awared usually, but has unhuman form as the heavy carpet and just tactile nature, has not it? May be, the double is hiding in the space among situations and normally is not awared,but rules the body transfer from one situation to another in reality and in dreams.
It's suggetion of course, but it seems to me I had read this in CC books. And it can explain why son saw SSilhouette in hemitransparent halfcondenced form why CC recomends dreaming practice. And why nobody meets himself/double.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Hi Welleyes...well said and a good point! Nice to see you here again.

[Guest]

Hi, Naguale Long Wolf, Ssiluette and all.
Ill try to report my story< which may be relative to suggestion, that double hides in an interval between events and rules the transfer of oneself between situations. These events were happened while I was visiting several power places in mountains. I left my two friends near the river for fishing and began going up to the mountains. I went on a slope, as did not want to go on large blocks of a moraine along brook bed. Gradually a valley was narrowing and at last has turned to abrupt gorge and I was already to climbing on rocks sometimes, and brook proceeded below meters 200 in the bottom of a canyon.
And I was already going by rocky ledge; at the left - breakage, and at the right there was a rocky wall. The ledge was narrowing gradually so I was compelled to go, having unwrapped by my breast to a rocky wall and keeping fingers for cracks in stones. It became more difficultly and more dangerously to go and, at last, I saw, that the ledge is destroyed on an interval almost 2 meters, but further it is in a good and whole condition. If would be more spacious, the body would not be unwrapped and pressed to the rocky wall, and I would not have on myself a backpack of 25 kg, I easily would jump over this cleft. What a difficult situation.
The ideas were apearing:I would pass everywhere, if I had not a backpack, I can dump a backpack down, but it is not desirable, it will depart downwards, it will be teared about stones, the bottle with sunflower oil will burst, oil will spoil clothes and a sleeping bag, coming down I shall lose height, will come to sew up a backpack, it is good that there is a thread and a needle with me, but I shall lose a lot of time, and my comrades will wait me only 3 days, its good,there is water to spend the night, I cant return back because I can not turn a head in the opposite direction without loosing a balance.
Ideas went as an equal stream one by one without intervals. They were not going in middle of my head as we usually think, but at edge of my mind. I have noticed, they went in the bottom of a precipice near the brook bed. Perhaps, it was scrolled about 2-3 cycles. I had a feeling that I leaned against these ideas as on a stick. And I was in quiet and as though discharged condition, as if these ideas did not concern me sharply and, I thought them not for myself at all, but on any duty, carrying out the obligation which even is not necessary for me. I think, perhaps we have such character of idea in dreams.
While the stream of ideas going, I stand, also keeping for a rocky wall with my fingers. Suddenly completely spontaneously, absolutely without any preparation I made a smooth sliding step by my left leg, not tearing off my stop from the surface of rocky ledge on which left stop stood up to that. But there was no ledge at all under left stop any more! There was a precipice! Then I put right leg dencely to the left. Thus the right leg has executed the same sliding step as well as left earlier. And the step of the right leg was same sliding and the leg also went with right stop, having nestled to a surface which actually did not exist! But I felt, that it is under my two stops! When the right leg has touched densely left, the left leg has made a sliding step already on the kept stone surface of lodge. Then I put my right leg near the left one and appeared on rocky lodge behind break, crossing break on really absent part of the track! And the length of this part, really absent, was more than two steps. And the step of mine is exactly 75 sm. All transition has taken place immediately, may be 10 times faster, than you have read this word.
I have remembered very well inwardness which I had thus, and I felt it , when read description by Ssiluette. In my case carry is seen in physical 3 -dimential space whereas in his case this carry can be characterized as carry between situations, we shall remember Ssiluettes son , who saw his father possibl at the moment of semicondesation when carry was not finished yet.
Excuse me many internal feelings in my text, they are important for me.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Extraordinary events Welleyes! Such a feat of sorcery is well told and well done!

[Mornings Son]

Found this post very enlightening on actual questions

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