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According to the shamans of don Juan Matus's lineage, the second gate of dreaming was the name given to the possibility of sentient beings to move from dream to dream to dream. For those shamans, this was a shared endeavor, practiced ardently in the first attention, or the realm of everyday life-signaling the opportunity to expand one's attention beyond the scope of one's individual dream into dreaming with others. Don Juan's students said this shift in emphasis from Me to We forms the basis of a community, in which a perceptual shift in one member of the community can initiate a shift in the whole community. Shamans consider this adaptability to be innate in human beings, as it is among other living communities, such as the solar system, groves of trees, bands of coyotes, groups of lizards, migrating birds, and industrious insects.
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And my favorite the one I bought for 10 dolllars in a used books store. Hooters
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"..Titles of T-shirts never to be written. May be seen on the
backs of women..."
"..And my favorite the one I bought for 10 dolllars in a used books store. Hooters.."
I think it goes on the other way. Bob
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jaun yuan matus was a toltec.. carlos was a sorcerer... carlos didnt become a full toltec...he became a sorcerer.... a way of power .. the first shifts an
individual makes of their own accord... dictate which area of the one power or the fire within catches on their energy body... this fire light then denotes
their challenges from then on... until they complete the challenge or die in the process... the second shift is always a response... and in that moment the
warrior is trapped by their perception..... awareness is vast... carlos casteneda may have had many many positions of the assemblage point... but they all
stemmed from his first touch of the fire... Jaun wauns from his own... don juan... revealed more fire .. and was a toltec...... castaneda revealed a bit of
fire... and moved his assemblage a lot in response...but they had different roots to the toltecs. he did not ever come close to revealing as much as don
juan......... and he died in his own sobriety teachings... (the second enemy) don juan navigated death....so carlos still remains his student and follower..by
default.
thats what the dragon wolf seems to say anyway!
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i suppose what i meant to say was.. that... "give me clarity here..."
Is that when challenged by a true immpeccable sorcerer... a normal human regardless of wether he has the "potential" for nagal awareness... is
transformed... it like taking a human being.. and obliterating him from a central point...
all beings.."splat" in different ways.. depending on their initial awareness....
the root of all this is that until a being realises that all his challenges and hence all "movements " of the perception stem from a point in time...
and that that time is unobtainable ever again by virtue of perception within the flow of events since the intitial meeting..... is that we can never be free as
individuals....
we can be freer than others by virtue of our fluid assembl;age.. but at the end of this... individual fluidity past the habitual position may be seen as
progressive.... by the individual sorcerer.....
but qwe all know that fluidity in "contrast" to the non fluid... is what is termed.. polarity....
"polarity".. no matter how well egoicly disguised .. causes resistance.... and it is highly conceivable that the sorcerers self need to be more fluid
than others... is causing the habitual position to become more locked in position for those who do not practice power...
as such one must regulate ones fluidity.. to ensure it is immpeccable... i.e. not detrimental for ones compadres in this life...
the very fact that world events are so ridiculously out of whack.... points to the very real need for there to be proper appraisal of the system of personal as
per habitual perception we face.....
put quite simply...
"what if its the sorcerers who are causing the rigid and mundane thought patterns that are destroying our planet..?"
through their selfish polarity with their own undesirable... and hence reflecting it into the habitual position in general"...
In other words...
Please dont try to vaguley waste my words.. im asking you to talk of immpeccable solutions, not to try to be more fluid than myself.....
quite simply im not fluid... because im immpecable.. OK.. but i still know. go figure... where "within" the habitual position is innate knowledge
held that we can facillitate and free within humanity.....
selfish practioners will face the crunch!
the crunch being... that which you polarise against... is now your challenge.... we term this "resistance" which in combination with the impulse of
the dreamed will make you afraid!... of not being fluid....
the moment you try to be more fluid than another through seperative ego.. you will come face to face with the dragons tooth... or more simply... the
realisation that to be better than another.. is to betray your self and taint your power with a sorceric tint... "this is the way castaneda
travelled" more fluid in contrast....hence he crunched when he died...
mr toltec... travelled more fluid "within".. he termed this fire"..... hence he exploded in light and travelled on!...
dont try and be more fluid, be immpecable!...
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Interesting , rosygyro. One answer may be in Not-Doing. The examples I've seen seem to reduce polarity , go with the flow , and eliminate the problem.
Surely excessive focus , indulgence , just leads deeper into the mire. Also , as you seem to say , sorcery covers a wide range of activities , yes?
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True hawkeye.. and i see your perspective here...
but im not talking about limiting personal polarity , through not doing....
for instance a stalker in public.... will illicit many emotional reactions from both seeing and naiave observers.....
it is the naiave observers or those who are lost in the dream who i am concerned about....
as it is they who "represent" the habitual position of human consiousness......
I know full well that not-doing in public, or stalking human behaviour, or going against social conditioning... actually increases our less deliberate
companions own resistance to their social conditioning....
even your witnessing of a persons fear of death, or disease, will harden their very own assemblage position.... (granting you some emotional ease in the
process...
this is effectivley vampirism, it is your own freedom in contrast to an idiots for want of a better term...
now if we cluster the mass of humanity as the ****... we can see that our own sorceric manouvers as a society of free thinkers, is concievably causing
stagnation in the human assemblage point as a whole...
it is this i wish to talk about....
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The plain and simple truth of today is that the habitual position of the assemblage point for the whole of humanity.... is dragging our planet to its
destruction....
10,000 sorcerers.. polarising around the position in varying degees is concretising it central position,...
which includes... environmental oversight, cruelty, rape, peodophilia, abuse, violence, absolute disregard for respect in each other, inability to focus on the
real etc....
these 10,000 sorcerers acting independantley and in judgement of their fellow man, will destroy us all.. because mankind as a species cannot move itself...
with such a deadlock between fluid and "habitual"...
10,000 sorcerers moving together.. through an immpeccable pattern formed of intelligent co-operation... will begin to chip...
the total assemblage point and bring about not only an increased sense of unity between sorcerers and "normal people", so preventing sorcerers from
becoming arrogant,, but will also begin to address the mass human imbalance that needs to be urgently healed....
the impeccable maze.. is within the individual, and paradoxicly within every individual( equally).... this is the time for sorcerers to become either the power
houses of earths revolutionary time.... or to declare themselves selfish egotists... with nothing better to do than exaserbate the problems humanity faces...
I will not watch the world fall to ruin, and declare myself powerful or enlightened.. that would be stupid!
without sounding cliched... every scream i utter , every sound i make and wound i feel, is expended in the search for a cure for my people!..
but then a fluid sorcerer can run rings around me.... so i must be an ****, yes!.
I personally consider the fire within to be the culmunation of two styles of awareness....
firstly the abilty to be fluid around the concept of general social conditioning( a fire to see with)... and secondly to be fluid within the general social
conditioning...(a fire to kindle)
this is akin to refusing to move the assemblage point to different positions... instead choosing to find impeccable flows within the habitual point...
the rocks of resistance in this area are monstrous and agonising in every detail( as they are shared by billions).. but if angled correctly like a flint and a
stone, will crush together to form a second flame... a "fire within"
which once burning will carry everyone through time wether alive or dead... ...all we need know is what destiny is for our entire populous!
of course should one, on finding the center lack immpecable nature.... one will become trapped in the habitual position.... as individual resistance comes into
contact with general resistance within the sphere! sourounded by ones own resistance shown in ones fellow man... it is here that the maze made of mirrors is
most amusing....
particularly when it is shaken by a nahuatl.
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rosygyro wrote:
jaun yuan matus was a toltec.. carlos was a sorcerer... carlos didnt become a full toltec...he became a sorcerer.... a way of power .. the first shifts an
individual makes of their own accord... dictate which area of the one power or the fire within catches on their energy body... this fire light then denotes
their challenges from then on... until they complete the challenge or die in the process... the second shift is always a response... and in that moment the
warrior is trapped by their perception..... awareness is vast... carlos casteneda may have had many many positions of the assemblage point... but they all
stemmed from his first touch of the fire... Jaun wauns from his own... don juan... revealed more fire .. and was a toltec...... castaneda revealed a bit of
fire... and moved his assemblage a lot in response...but they had different roots to the toltecs. he did not ever come close to revealing as much as don
juan......... and he died in his own sobriety teachings... (the second enemy) don juan navigated death....so carlos still remains his student and
follower..by default.
thats what the dragon seems to say anyway!
don juan navigated death....yes
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the finasl edit in my above post... Makes my belief on the navigation of death clear!
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As we work within an area of non-verbal worlds, it must be difficult to express perceptions in words. Sadly , Lujan and rosegyro , your words are not
perceptible to me. Even the feeling of those words is not something I can sense , in Spirit. Abstract perhaps, yet the abstract of don Juan seems to be
more concrete than what you express. Can you simplify , perhaps?
Yes, I could use some Clarity as well.
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my dear friend.
Firstly we do not work in the area of non verbal worlds... we work in the area of the heart!....
the sorcerers will without the living fire the heart generates is a cold and sobrietic afair.. that may give great clarity on "follies" that please
the self importance... but reveal nothing of the process of life... save the frustration in the eyes of those who do not think..but feel!..( a shared lack of
empathy perhaps?)
the truth of the many worlds is they are a mixture of toltecs.. and innocent people of the earth..... the two peoples mix somewhere on the other side...joined
by heart.
sadly the man who lives in sobriety will never sit in the chapel with his people... or sing as a friend with his less "Ambitious friends"..
The allies are sandwiched between the toltecs and the good people of the earth.... as a sorcerer you may find them through loving humbly...and using your
heart...
In england there is a series of magical sayings coined by Mr Aleister crowley.. a magician...
" love under will" and
"do what though wilt shall be the whole of the law"...
The unwise magician will interpret this a meaning...
The thing which i will, is what will happen, my will is the law,,, i control my will therefore i control my worlds...
presuming that love under will means something cold and pragmatic..
the wise magician on the other hand... says... If I love deliberatley.. and all my will is generated by love.. then my will is love.. i "love under
will"....
Applying this to the second saying...... it translates as ...
the amount of sorceric will you generate that comes directly from the heart before the belly.. is the law......
that amount that "leaks" from you without your hearts consent, regardless of wether you think you are applying the pressure..is essentially not the
law.. but the area of yourself that precipates your challenges......
in this way the intention is split between love... and the challenge of sobriety.......
when a sorcerer becomes utterly caught in sobriety he has failed no matter how powerful he feels.. "the second enemy".
the good people of the earth.. dont talk with their bellies... and neither do toltecs.....
"the devil lives in the eyes of my enemies...powered by the fires of my heart".. "I see no evil in him, only a sluice that begs to be
released"....
sobriety is a terrible thing, the worst thing is that intheir eager ness to advance on the warriors path, many apprentices will leap straight into a sobriety
trap of anothers making, simply to avoid their fear, and reach the next gate.... having not challenged their fear adequatley in their impatience to advance
through life..... the danger of worthless understanding is tripled..... How to find the heart again once one is lost in sobriety is a challenge indeed, for
the awareness of a loveless man is immpossible to reach or understand.... its hardly enigmatic.... to be beyond the comprehension of your friends... or humble
strangers... when you are withering inside your unconrolled folly of sobriety!.. OK.
Its essentially saying that if ones awerness becomes confined purely to the tendrils of will.. one will lose all capacity to generate power from the heart...
and secondary tendrils of the belly, powered by the heart....
a man caught in his own sobritey, can never love again unless someone breaks his mind again!...,,,
the best question to pose for the first enemy... Or "fear".. as it is sometimes known...is... Am i afraid of falling in love so deep i am lost?.. If
indeed you are (everyone is).. then you will precipitate a challenge of the heart.. to guide you out of sobriety!... and also out of unnecissary fear that is
neither practical or funny!.
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'To those who know , no explanation is necessary. To those who do not know , no explanation will suffice. '
As to my comment about Clarity , ignore it , as it was temporal to each of us. Sometimes various posts are opaque to me. As to the above quote, I got it
from Wicca. Don't know the whole story about Crowley. How about Robert Anton Wilson ? That I know.
Edit: The sobriety you speak of , rosegyro , I do infer is a certain quality of leadership. That is , to make true decisions , one must be apart from the
usual human concerns; Dispassionate , controlled folly, a Nagual. Damn. In some ways it's almost like being a messiah. I don't know if I'd go
there or if I would want to. Then again , the Nagual Matus was not about to be crucified! He was said to not intend to even be in the vicinity! hahaha
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