Dreamways Post Concerning The Eagle

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Such posts like this one are too good to be pages deep, I hope Dreamways does not mind me making it a separate post for it is a truly real description I have
seen myself. "There seem to be as many varieties of inorganic intentions as there are human ones. Most of my journeys have been within the "realm of
vibrations", that strata of creation that hosts things like universes, organic and inorganic life, all the stuff we recognize as being
"something." All the energy within this strata is very similar to the energy contained within the "throat chakras" of living things.
Watching over all this dancing vibration is a singular eye, it seems to be the "eagle" that Castaneda spoke of. At first I thought that the eagle was
just a sort of universe unto itself, but, eventually I saw that it was bigger than that, it is basically the "brow chakra" of "god". As far
as I can tell, the reason it is a singular eye is because it is a conduit for power, and power is singular. Because we exist as vibrations, within the
"throat chakra" of god, it may be impossible for us to ever really percieve higher chakras of god/creation accurately, as they are only partially
made up of vibratons, the majority of their essence being non-vibrational. At the "crown chakra" of god, everything is made of light. God's
thoughts manifest as light, that is. The thoughts/lights that become aware of themselves are "angels". I know a lot of people have said that the
light of god is also a vibration, just a higher vibration, it's just that I've never seen any evidence of this. The vibrational part of the light that
makes it comprehensible to a vibrational being is not the light, the two essences are combined but not the same thing at all. Anyway, I met a being (a scout) a
long time ago, who's people all travelled beyond the "crown of heaven", beyond god, to what, I don't know for sure, and left her behind for a
few lifetimes to wrap up their affairs. I think they "switched gods" somehow, and I think that's what "freedom" is, to get away from
all of it. Within this creation/god, the day of the inorganic beings is over and the hour of man has almost passed. Creation will soon favor its newest child
and forget about man the same way it forgot about inorganic beings. Other "gods" are kinder and more in sync with our heart charkras than this one,
and we are still in fashion with them. It's our heart that makes us leave, that's for sure. This whole description can be put in different ways of
course, but I think you still have to answer the same question in the end. How much freedom do you really want?"

[Blue totem]

Well I have this comment; how can God, be perceived as an eagle? Should`nt he be formless?




If he his the cosmos, how can someone perceive him as any shape whatsoever. He`s just way to massive to be perceived by anything. How can you see something the
size of ten trillion oceans. It does`nt make sense. And why an eagle?




Thanks for your answers.

[grandspeculator]

Blue Totem:




There is, according to the mystical tradition of India, a manifested God that includes all realms, physical and subtle, angels, demons, inorganics... all the
forms (even God, for that matter, can take forms)... all the manifested universe(s).




And there is also an unmanifested God.




To that tradition achieving an state of unity with the unmanifested God is the ultimate realization.




Putting in parallel the yogic and nagual tradition there are three attentions and three "worlds":




First Attention - Physical World


Second Attention - Subtle World of Energy / Astral Sphere


Third Attention - "Beyond the Eagle" / Causal Sphere




From the third attention we get, supousedly, glimpses of the Infinity, God, the Universe, etc... a sign that there is yet another state:




The yogic tradition says that state, a fourth state or attention is Cosmic/God Consciousness. In that state we become Infinity without loosing our
individuality. In that state, the yogis say, we become free from the cycle of birth and death.




Most ascetics/meditators of the many traditions of earth work within the causal sphere and generally disregard the subtle world of energy.


Shamans/brujos work mainy within the subtle world of energy but mostly ignore, disregard or can't reach the realities of the third attention.




The best thing we can do in this era of information is to integrate all the knowledge there is and use it to achieve the highest.

[Bob May]

Hi blue totem and grandspeculator,




I would agree with what you said. And it would fit right in with the tree of life discussion.


What you describe is very similar in content to the concepts included in the Qabala. I would add that there are not hard and fast deliniations to these levels
and so it is difficult to put into words and to cross reference systems or schools of thought. But truth is truth no matter where it is found.


There are levels upon levels and there is pure knowing or Oneness. Becoming "one with".


Even at these higher states there is a knowledge that there is something higher. This is mysticism (whether Eastern school or Westernschool of thought) as
opposed to magic or sorcery. Direct knowing. And I believe what Don Juan referred to as becoming a Man of Knowledge.




"The best thing we can do in this era of information is to integrate all the knowledge there is and use it to achieve the highest."


Amen to that brother!

[Nagual LoneWolf]

The souls when they change fly into a light..that light shadows a darkness that has been perceived as appearing like a eagle's beak. The light appears to
us mortals as an eye..thus the eye of the eagle. It is only a description and one that came from primitive visionaries.

[Blue totem]

Thanks Wolf




I understand more. But to really understand, I have to see it for myself, which I plan on doing someday, before my death.

[Bob Carr]

The Eagle is not God, right?




Then there is the Human mold, I believe , and that is not God either.




In fact , is not God part of the Unknowable?




Therefore , no mortal human can claim knowledge of the nature of any god , and all we have to go on is the effects of the creation and what can be learned from
visits to the Unknown. That is my interpretation only, I admit, being that to label God as this or that is Absolutism , or even Legalism?

[dreamways]

Bob Carr wrote:

The Eagle is not God, right?




Then there is the Human mold, I believe , and that is not God either.




In fact , is not God part of the Unknowable?




Therefore , no mortal human can claim knowledge of the nature of any god , and all we have to go on is the effects of the creation and what can be learned
from visits to the Unknown. That is my interpretation only, I admit, being that to label God as this or that is Absolutism , or even Legalism?

Sorry I didn't see this thread sooner. OK, whatever is unknowable can't be known, so, even if there is some aspect of God that is unknowable, we
would never know about it. Whenever we encounter the unknowable, there is no way to understand what it might be, we can't identify it as God or not God
because it is unidentifiable as anything. Here's another problem, if you want to understand the "unmanifested" side of God, you better hope it
ain't unknowable, because that would be impossible to understand. "Unknowable" is a trick of language, it cancels out its own meaning.

[dreamways]

I've come across phenomena and areas in dreaming that I found myself describing as "unknowable" in the past, it was just sloppy way of putting
it. A better way of putting it would be, that there are things which are difficult to fully fixate dreaming attention on. When switching from one lucid dream
to another, I often encounter a wall of fog that seems completely "unknowable", but in fact, it is just completely an unknown.

[dreamways]

Blue totem wrote:

How can you see something the size of ten trillion oceans. It doesn't make sense. And why an eagle?


God is only the size of nine trillion oceans these days, he's been on a diet. The view I had of God's eye being the Eagle is just one way of
putting it. I've seen the Eagle in different manifestations, all of them having a "pull" on me but only one of them really feeling dangerous.
There is "lightning" involved, just like Castaneda said. I wasn't going to mention it at first, but, those "black hand" sorcerers
I've written about, they are always out scouting around near the Eagle, whatever it is, they seem to be looking for something. Anyway, for the old
sorcerers to have seen where a person's energy goes after they die, it's really something. The fact that they probably saw it alot is creepy.

[Blue totem]

Hello dreamways




So God lost weight, good for him, now he's gonna get all the ladies.




So where is this ''eye of the eagle'', and where is his beak? You have to understand it sounds preposterous.

[dreamways]

Blue totem wrote:

where is this ''eye of the eagle'', and where is his beak? You have to understand it sounds preposterous.




I don't know where it is, I just intend myself there or I suddenly find myself dreaming there. In one dream, there were two people standing next
to me, explaining that all the glowing tumbleweeds I was looking at that were being blown by the wind, in the dream, were actually people who had died that
were being pulled into the Eagle. They said that I needed to learn how to not get "pulled" by the Eagle. They said that when you die, you are
supposed to be able to just "walk away" and not get swept in like everything else. They said that dying like that is "dying like an
animal." I was not able to look directly at the Eagle in that dream, or any dream actually, something stopped me from doing it. When I look directly at
it, it is either one of its manifestations that is not deadly or there is a voice that explains that it is the Eagle and then it breaks the dream. To me, the
Eagle looks like a gigantic vortex that is able to look back at you.

[Guest]

The lightening first caught my attention as I looked up at the night sky. There were clouds and stars and flashes of lightening.




Where I stood, it was a grassy area like a large back yard, dark and with a few Inorganics milling about. I ended up at this place after a long second
attention ordeal of corridors and tests to enter further.




Well, there I stood gazing at the sky and this large fog bank rolled in and suddenly there appeared a huge eye. It was cartoon like and my best description is
that it looked like a giant "Woody Wood Pecker" eye from the 60's cartoon. It covered half the sky. The sense I had was of an immense energy
with a certain foreboding feeling. The sky grew very bright and suddenly an immense swarm of energy bugs, I perceived 'insects', headed directly at
me. Millions and millions, so thick I was concerned that it might be difficult to breathe. I dove to the ground, grabbed the grass and hung on.




While this swarm continued I remember shouting for 'others' in the dream scene to take cover. There was a danger I perceived that was associated with
these 'bugs'.




The next day when reflecting on this entire experience I remembered the description of the "Eagle" from CC's books. Though not exactly the same,
particularly the cartoonish appearance of the eye, I do believe that is what I saw.

[Guest]

I concluded that none of the members of this liniage managed to see the Eagle, based on what i saw last night they got blocked by it's right hand and never made it to see the left one. From NLW description i know what he saw, and that it the main thing that avoids them to become more then their liniage was. That is what gives them the ability to choose only how they die not weather they die or live. That right fist of the Eagle is claiming the elder party that posts in here to the last one, and i who makes the choice agree.
So, by going further back in time i must see that they did not manage to know the tenant either, all they managed to do is hump something then increase their numbers by breeding. The dream guardians keep watch for any type of numbers increase and as soon as they see a replication increase their own numbers to balance the equation, just in case something tries to achieve immortality in a decomposing carcase. ( In the Matrix series Smith calls Neo's kind a virus, however i must say he is not correct: they are cancer that is why many from such liniage develop it and trade whatever further in order to keep their corpse alive).
This liniage is forbidden to touch anything that has a living healthy body, are not allowed to form a party by adding someone that does not suffer from terminal illness or their body's structure has never been broken beyond repair ( accidents, self harm and others).  I am a tiny bit away from giving both keys to my other protegee that does not belong to this liniage ( that has happened when the forth world described in the Matrix ended).
When i do not want to dream with someone i don't, that means i have the ability to substitute myself with whoever is willing to see your dream party for wilt force on me. I hope this will make you understand that in the last two years when you dreamt of me was almost never me. It was me when i smashed someone's face for abusing a woman with a piece of wood, it was me when someone got thrown out of the window, it was me when someone's head got smashed on the ground ( i was the one abusing all this mentioned). It was me when the young nagual woman of this party followed Tiggs into humping something that was available( that was not me either and i do not know what it was). Your new nagual man failed on his task of finding party members because he did not comprehend that i do not and never will belong to one liniage, i create liniages, also i stated preparing the other liniage's leader in dreaming (cause the nagual became unavailable, was too busy riding like a knight he imagines he is and not listening). That means i am questioning the western nagual woman now, weather she lives in the body she has or leaves with the elder party.

[Guest]