What is a Nagual

[Mornings Son]

What is the definition and markings of a Nagual??




There is


Nagual Lone wolf


Nagual Lujan


Nagual don Miguel Ruiz




who is activly know to me and uses the title Nagual




But what IS IT to be a Nagual?




MS

[Mornings Son]

Nagual

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For other uses, see Nagual (Castaneda).

Nagual or Nahual (both pronounced [na'wal]) is a word used in the study of the religion, mythology, folklore and anthropology of Mesoamerican peoples. The word is used with different intended meanings.

It usually refers to one of two common concepts in Mesoamerican cultures:

that certain persons are able to take on animal forms, or
that all persons have an animal companion to whom they are spiritually linked throughout their lives.
Within Mesoamerican anthropology, Nagual is most commonly used negatively to refer to a person who has a particularly strong animal companion and who uses this companion to cause harm to others, or who himself changes shape into animals in order to cause harm to others. The normal practice is to refer to the animal companion itself as a Tonal, following the Aztec practice.[citation needed]



[edit] History
The word comes from the Nahuatl word nahualli which was used to refer to practitioners of harmful magic. In the Aztec belief system the day of a persons birth calculated in the Tonalpohualli would determine the nature of the person - each day was associated with an animal which could have a strong or weak aspect. The person born on the day of, for example, "the dog" would then have the weak aspect of the dog. In Nahuatl the word Tonalli was used to refer both to a day and to the animal related to that day. Since practicioners of harmful magic were normally born on certain days related to animals with a strong or harmful aspect they would often have specific tonals such as the jaguar. In Aztec mythology the God Tezcatlipoca was the protector of nagualism, since his tonal was the jaguar and since he governed the distribution of wealth.

In modern rural Mexico the nagual is often the same as "witches" or "brujos" who are thought to be able to shapeshift into animals at night (normally into an owl, a bat or a turkey) and suck blood from innocent victims, steal properties from others, cause disease etc. In some indigenous communities the position of the Nagual is an integrated part of society and the community knows who is a Nagual and tolerates them or even fears and respects them, sometimes hiring their services in order to remove curses from other naguals. In others the accusation of being a nagual may result in violent repercussions by the rest of the community towards the accused - much like the witch processes of renaissance Europe.

The study of Nagualism was initiated by noted archaeologist, linguist and ethnologist Daniel Garrison Brinton who published a treatise called "Nagualism: A Study in Native-American Folklore and History" which chronicled historical interpretations of the word and those who practiced nagualism in Mexico in 1894. He identified the different beliefs associated with nagualism in some modern Mexican communities such as the Mixes, the Nahuas, the Zapotecs and Mixtecs.

Subsequently many studies have described Nagualism in many different Mesoamerican cultures such as the Zoques,the Jakaltek Maya, the K'iche', the Q'eqchi' and the Tzeltal. An interesting pattern has been described for some societies in which the fear of Naguals is a social factor inhibiting modernization in the community because the Naguals are believed to punish those who enter into contact with the mestizo society. Such is the case among the Jakaltek.[1].

It has been a point of discussion to which degree nagualism represents a pre-Columbian belief system and to which degree it is modelled on European popular religion. Some scholars such as Correa[2] have argued that the concept is wholly imported from Europe, where he compares it to the medieval belief in werewolves. This assumption has been all but rejected, however, since indigenous sources of pre-Columbian origins such as the Popol Vuh describe concepts clearly related to the modern day practice of Nagualism.

Kaplan[3] concluded that in Oaxaca the belief in Naguals as evil shapeshifting witches were common among both indigenous and mestizo populations whereas the beliefs associated with Tonalism, that is the belief in animal spirit companions, was limited to the indigenous communities.

Within New Age circles the word nagual has in recent years come to mean a spiritual leader. This usage of the word originates in California and Arizona New Age groups.



[edit] Nagual in the works of Castaneda


Main article: Nagual (Castaneda)

'Nagual' (pronounced nah-wa'hl) appears in the works of Carlos Castaneda. There it is used primarily to describe those aspects of the world that lie beyond rational analysis and are not readily perceived by most people. The main objective of training in sorcery is to enable one to perceive the Nagual, function in it and remain capable of returning to the rational world. In Castenada's books the term Nagual is also applied to don Juan, Castenada's teacher, by some of his apprentices.

Castenada relates a story in which don Juan explained the Nagual to his apprentices by taking them on a long grueling hike high into the mountains. One of the apprentices had to carry a table on his back. Finally, at a point where one could see for vast distances in all directions, don Juan had the table set in place. He told them that it represented the rational world that we each construct. Everything else that they could see stretching out in all directions represented the Nagual.

Don Juan also used a table when explaining the Nagual to Carlos. They were in a restaurant in a hotel in Mexico City. Everything that could be put on the table, in the sense that it could be rationally defined, be it a ketchup bottle or a philosophical concept, was "tonal", that is, it belonged to the world we construct. The Nagual was everything else. Castenada writes of "the island of the tonal" reinforcing the sense of a constructed world floating in the Nagual.

[Mornings Son]

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A Nagual is the "benefactor" of an apprentice in Castaneda's system and is also the great unnameable Spirit. The "benefactor" is born
to be a direct link to the great unnameable spirit and guide an apprentice to obtain what has been called Total Freedom. The Second Attention or Nagual
awareness is a goal that the warrior apprentice strives to attain. In some Mesoamerican traditions psychotropic plants, or as Castaneda called them "power
plants", were utilized to experience the Nagual, as well as other states of awareness. When one is able to perceive the Second Attention they are
considered a "seer". In addition to Castaneda's books the books of Victor Sanchez, Don Miguel Ruiz, Theun Mares and others have detailed
techniques to use to experience the Second Attention.

[seeitall]

check out Lujan energy configuration when meeting him in France and keep us posted.


Nagual should have 4 (or 3) energy compartments instead of only two, which is the


configuration of the rest of us.

[Bob Carr]

Good work , Mornings Son. Thank you.




Quote: 'If you can believe in dreams, you can believe in don Juan.'--anonymous

[Mornings Son]

Seeitall




Please send me those glasses of energy configuration Seeing!


I can't find mine. Damn.

[Mornings Son]

Well I took up this subject because I would like to hear people view on the title Nagual




As I see it


It is a Title that you have in relationship to a party that you lead.


So Nagual Lone Wolf is (maybe) sort of the native type of Naguals that can turn into a wolf




I don't know with Lujan or don Miguel Ruiz, they are teacher that are open for students to come to there courses.


It does not fit into my picture of Naguals.


Why do they do it?


Is it a call, request from Spirit or just business?

[Bob May]

To me the important thing about Nagual is the concept of the unknown side of our existence. The "bubble of perception", the items placed on the
table in the cafe in Castanedas earlier books. Spirit vs. lower realms, etc.


These are concepts I can put to use in understanding my nature and the hidden side of life.


I take from the teachings of Don Juan what works for me.




I could care less about the other, second definition,... the compartmental thing. I really don't care how many departments or compartments I or anyone else
has. I don't need a leader and I need not that anyone teach me, (though I learn from everyone). Teachers are just men and we lose sight of this when we put
them on a pedestal.




The third definition, that of a person who can change into an animal at will is interesting to me. It may be true in a physical sense or just an awareness
sense like when Carlos turned into a crow. Like I said it is interesting but not all that important to me.




The 3 or 4 compartment leader of a group of apprentices is of no use unless you intend to become part of that subculture that Carlos and his associates were
caught up in. The Southwestern sorcerer subculture.


In my opinion the real teachings of Don Juan were in the first 4-5 books that Carlos wrote. After that, who knows? He may have made it up or did research on
that particular belief system and put it into biographical story form.




I really think that Don Juan introduced Carlos to that sorcerer's culture to shock him into the place where he could stop the world and then move on to
become a man of knowledge. To introduce him to anther world view or "description" of the world in order for him to move past "descriptions"
into experiences of the true Nagual.




As he said, the sorcerer's description of the world is just as much illusion as the normal man's description. The trick of a man of knowledge is to
slip between the two. Not to get caught up in either.

[Shaboy]

I believe the physical presence of "the nagual" as a human being might be undervalued in modern society. There are rumors of a visceral energetic
connection between people that can affect mood and energy levels. As human beings, we obsess on our fellow kind more than any other species. If we are going to
learn something about the world around us, we may learn at least as much from our fellow man as we learn from the world itself.




The neoshamans I write about, have a meditation in which they invoke goose bumps on their flesh. The hair on their arms and legs will stand on end as they
experience "chills", which you might associate with grand music or other lofty and expansive experiences. Not everyone is able to voluntarily invoke
such "chills". Interestingly enough, some people can only do it at first while they are in the presence of someone who is doing it. Some people have
spontaneous "chills" when they see the goosebumps on another's skin.




Golf comes to mind as something else that really requires a teacher.

[Bob May]

"If we are going to learn something about the world around us, we may learn at least as much from our fellow man as we learn from the world itself."




I have no problem learning from people and I have also experienced numerous times of enhanced awareness in the presence of my own "late" teacher. The
presence of spiritual people can light up abilties in others, it is true. The problem is when they are elevated in a student's thought to be
"above" them or "between" them and the Spirit.


It is only natural, though to do this. It is a human tendancy to look up to our spiritual teachers. But it is also important to keep in mind they were once
where we are.


I respect ability and knowledge in any area of life (even golf), but also realize my own connection with Spirit is not dependent upon anyone else.


Every bird must leave the nest in order to learn to fly.

[Bob Carr]

"...there are many here among us, who think that life is but a joke. But you and I have been through that, and that is not our fate. So, let us not speak
falsely now, The hour's getting late."




Then again, a good sense of humor, and some ribald limericks help!




Hello, Lonewolf




"If you can believe in dreams , you can believe in don Juan."




YES!

[ARNWAY]

Glad to see you back Wolf, back in the saddle again.




This site is not complete without you.

[ARNWAY]

Wolf since my computer crashed again and lost everything.




Can you provide the link of "free books" that will give you almost all the C.C. books for free to view.




That link was of so importance to read C.C.

[Sidarthur Prospero]

ARNWAY wrote:

Wolf since my computer crashed again and lost everything.




Can you provide the link of "free books" that will give you almost all the C.C. books for free to view.




That link was of so importance to read C.C.


MY RESPONSE:




And you didn't have a backup of your important information? Well, you just exposed what kind of a warrior you actually are don Careless.




Anyway, I had saved the link to those online CC books, but...it seems Cleargreen put them out of business:




CC Books Online:


http://www.geocities.com/total_freedom_ ... tml?200629

[mollymarie]

what I say is that there is different levels of connection to Spirit.
There are different levels. 2 of them. Aware of your connection to spirit and not aware of it.

[Nagualwolf]

Lol..I have missed your wit Molly Marie. Sid we will see.

[mollymarie]

hope you are well wolfy.

[Hawthorne]

Molymarie, you are right about that Spirit connection. Seems like it was more understood in some pre-industrial societies




My own connection was always there , and sometimes did things for me. I did not know what it was until recent years




I could find things without knowing, a few times I became invisible. These things I attributed to the Christian god. Now it seems to more a part of the
landscape, like air or water.

[Bob May]

Hi Hawthorne,




"These things I attributed to the Christian god. Now it seems to more a part of the landscape, like air or water."




You mean the Christian God now has nothing to do with it because now you realize it is all around us?


Brilliant deduction.


Maybe it's your awareness of what God is that is changing. Not God himself.

[Vrill]

Hi Molly, welcome back to the board.




I've appreciated the candor and skill of your recent posts.




Thank you!

[dreamways]

OK, I moved the post up one level to the parent directory under the heading "Tree of Life." http://sorcery.yuku.com/topic/1363/master/1/

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Dreamways...a powerful post and I thank you for sharing it here with us. Would you mind remaking it into a separate new post as it deserves to be see on its
own from those who come or will come. We here at Separate Reality used to meet at that tree in our dreaming group many years ago. There is a hole inside that
leads to the world of Atlantis, a place of two suns and green rolling hills. I have gone there using the tree many times. The tree holds all the separate
realities of earth in its folds.

[dreamways]

Nagual LoneWolf wrote:

Dreamways...a powerful post and I thank you for sharing it here with us. Would you mind remaking it into a separate new post as it deserves to be see on its
own from those who come or will come. We here at Separate Reality used to meet at that tree in our dreaming group many years ago. There is a hole inside that
leads to the world of Atlantis, a place of two suns and green rolling hills. I have gone there using the tree many times. The tree holds all the separate
realities of earth in its folds.

No prob, I moved it up one level to here http://sorcery.yuku.com/topic/1363/master/1/

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