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Crocossaurio wrote:
Vril, my apologies for the momentary deviation of the topic in my replies to Sid's mirror image (beloved materia).
(...)
But lo and behold... you already have the answer. You only need to study it. Study yourself and you won't be able to miss the answer to the questions you
are asking, Vril, this much I do promisse you. And those who know me know only too well that I'm a man of my word whom ALWAYS keeps his promisses...
well, don't know what's that about Sid, maybe if he'd have the courage to talk to me we could find out...
and i want to remark that your promise is a fake, what if that guy simply isn't able to not miss the answer, simply because the question is false centered?
oh yeah, you and your big mouth...
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To all the others, who want to have a genuine discussion about energies here...
I think it's quite difficult to handle this subject with archaic concepts like air, water, fire, and so on, since in essence they mean something else,
which is much better explained by the ideas of modern physics.
To each seer of nowadays it's quite clear that electrons, protons, photons, neutrons, the elements, are not just ideas some scientists came up with, but
they are valid energetic realities, so easy to perceive that it's quite ununderstandable to me that these facts are not more wide-spread. (Maybe due to the
efforts of some evil sorcerers who want to keep us in ignorance so that they can manipulate us easier. Croco?)
Electrons, for example, appear to the eye of the seer as a shiny silverish brilliant something, many very fine structures, probably that kind of energy that is
easiest to perceive and closest to the usual everyday consciousness of the brain. (Which in some sense also is based on electric activity, on ion flows,
therefore on electrons, but in a more broad activity that includes many electrons for one "bit of information", whereas in the case of seeing them in
the second attention it seems more like a fine structure that is superimposed on the electron orbits physics describe to us.)
Then, the protons, they are golden, and some sorcerers misuse them for power reasons (like Carlos Castaneda in his dreaming body, for example), but it's
much better to use them for information purpose alone, since their "intelligence" is incredible, and used like that they appear as those very thin
"gold fibres" known by many spiritual traditions, also the "gold" of the alchemists, and "gold" in the symbolic sense used by
Buddhists etc. seems to be the same.
Neutrons are white, very smooth, they are a continuum, and presently that part of the universe that is most interconnected in itself, also the part where God
nowadays is most present. (Though he's also connected to other energies, but if you happen to perceive him he's most likely a big white smooth and very
friendly something.) (Unless he hasn't been manipulated by some evil sorcerers, like Castaneda used to do in his wicked and failed quest for power.)
Photons, maybe the most beautiful and complex of them all, I don't really know much about them, seems like Howard Lee works with them, also some other
people. (There was a link to his site on SR, they deleted it because I wrote a reply that was quite useful, hence a threat to the SR folks who want to keep
everyone in ignorance.)
Neutrinos, black fibres that connect different spots of information, they also can be a grey continuum, very wise, don't mess with them or it might get you
in some problem.
And space, the thing behind it all, a black something, a continuum, seems Lonely Wolf has some thing with it.
Btw, LW, what about those other energies, don't you want to get to know them, or are you satisfied with hiding? (I'm having quite some problem with
people who don't show themselves, makes me think they have something to hide, and that always is suspicious to me.) (But well, I understand that hiding in
times of cruel sorcerers trying to hijack everyone is a good option, though, as you might see, their age is over.)
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Materia some people are Starking.
If you can See you will See them i gues...
There are many of them here!
About seeing atoms.
Is there any practical use of it?
For me im more into Seeing peoples Intent and all that.
There is plenty to look into!
MS
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Interesting explanation Materia. Especially in light of two things. It's original and also your own way, your own system.
OK, so my question is as follows ... what exercise do you perform that allows you to see the vibratory energies you describe?
I ask so that some of us can try to get on the same page here.
Here is my own explanation, if it's of any benefit ...
Now, in our ordinary consciousness we see things, like a tree for example. The impression the tree gives us creates a kind of shock, an impression, it affects
us in a certain way.
Most of the time we are unconscious of our reception of impressions.
If we could try to catch ourselves receiving impressions, and get an impression of ourselves receiving an impression, for example we have a bit of Second
Attention going.
That is Awareness aware of Itself or Double Arrow Attention. However this shock is a tiny spark, inconsequential by itselt.
If we can somehow return to that consistently, this is where it gets difficult, then we can refine the energies of the impressions we receive.
One way to get there is to assume a zen like "don't know mind". Or as one of my teachers stated "I have no attention"
We have to empty our cup, completely, and then some more, to get a Real Impression.
Real Impressions are objective, vs. subjective. So much of the time we are caught up in the subjective.
Does anyone know anything about Real Objectivity? If I am in that place occasionally Seeing Happens. Maybe it's grace.
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Hi Vrill,
"If we can somehow return to that consistently, this is where it gets difficult, then we can refine the energies of the impressions we receive.
One way to get there is to assume a zen like "don't know mind". Or as one of my teachers stated "I have no attention"
We have to empty our cup, completely, and then some more, to get a Real Impression.
Real Impressions are objective, vs. subjective. So much of the time we are caught up in the subjective.
Does anyone know anything about Real Objectivity? If I am in that place occasionally Seeing Happens. Maybe it's grace."
It is appropo that you are describing a state that I found myself in this morning while waiting for coffe to perk. I might describe it as not doing of mind, or
lack of prejudging. It is a state in which you do not bow to the dictates of "familiarity". Or prejudging might be a way to put it. According to
Castaneda we put our world together at a certain early age as infants. I have no reason to doubt this.
Since that time we base our world view upon that learned experience by the familiarity of that mode of our minds. In other words, we do to the input of this
world what we have always done for as long as we can remember.
The practice of stopping the internal dialog while observing the way the mind works can, over the course of time, break you of the habit. Or maybe a better way
to put it is that it enables you to bypass this function of mind as well as recognise it.
That is not doing. Not doing what we have always done to the input, (visual, auditory, etc.) that reaches us from our environment.
For me this morning, the world became sploches of color with no depth perception at all. (another learned function of mind) Those colors were the pick-up truck
in the driveway and the wall in the kitchen and the trees and grass, etc. They became energy of colors, meaning nothing. No form or distinction between the
various objects/colors. No meaning, just a feeling of energy.
I may not be putting it into words very well, but it relates to Don Juan saying that stopping the internal dialog was more than a mere curtailing of words. It
is more like not thinking at all. Especially in the way that breeds the familiarity described above.
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Not Doing is the cognitive dissonance that "unentangles" your awareness.
Carlos Castaneda
Bob:
Thanks for the wonderful description! That is exactly what I am speaking about. Another Reality interpenetrates our mundane existance, the one we call
"real".
What you are seeing when you shift your awareness like that is another Reality. I call it Greater Reality, and I believe it conforms to what I call the
Objective.
So, everything else pretty much in our known world, is temporary and subjective.
Via the medium of Not Doing we get glimpses of something totally Other, and gradually this re-habituates our awareness from the unreal to the real.
It requires strong Intent, but no effort except the effort of Not Doing.
Also it's very practical, as it can heal us of our afflictions. The Buddhist term is Kleshas.
These are negative emotions and bad habits are considered afflictions, as they torment us.
If we can bring these into our awareness and just let be, then awareness will dissolve and transform them. Kleshas are not just negative emotions but
aggregates of habit energy. At one level we might think there were a part of us, that we don't like. But they are just accumulations of unconscious habit
energy. They can give rise to addictive and negative behavior patterns so transforming them, is a big thing. Some are easy to transform and some form
accretions that are so ingrained as to be very difficult. Start with the easy ones
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MS, seeing the different energies is of great use, because our body is composed of them, and lifting its components to our consciousness makes them more
orderly, thus our energy grows, and then we can perceive more and more.
Vrill, I don't know which exercise I follow, I guess none at all, at the stage I am I just need to focus on what I want to perceive, and there it is. (I
have lots of memories having to do with these things, therefore it's quite easy.)
I'm not yet in the position to be a master, so I have no idea what advice to give to people who have no experience in seeing and want to learn it.
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sorry, croco, for the confusion, everything all right now?
friends again?
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I think the means to describe the process of how to get from point A to to point B do exist.
Still it's difficult depending on the level of understanding you are trying to describe and it takes a lot of skill to put this into terms that can be
mutually understandable. Different systems have inner language and terms. The terms may sound rather vague.
But when examined we find that they are not vague at all but point us to jumping off points into other worlds.
By other worlds, I mean, the Objective Reality of the Sacred.
My mission for the last few years has been, trying to learn how to teach what I know in an effective way.
I'm still not there yet, but I did get some significant "Help". "Help" is one of those vague terms.
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