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Hi Arrano
You seem to have alot of knowlegde about IB's
Would you please give me a definition on them. Maybe like a description of a field scientist.
Also how do you understand Spirit that DJ talks about.
Where does Angels and plant and stone spirits fit in?
I am seriously interested in getting some more understanding of these different (?) types of beings.
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Mornings Son, I would love to and will give a deep description of what you asked in detail later today because I'm going salmon fishing right now.
I have very tangible explanations of what you asked and was looking for an opportunity to discuss such topics.
I have to go because people are waiting for me but wanted to take the opportunity to say that I know a lot about such subjects and will gladly share what I know from a historical and personal view that will help any warrior to recognize the energy forces that confront us on a daily basis.
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Mornings Son, or who ever I will give a description of detail in stages.
First of all I.B.'s were really akin to mankind thousands of years ago by being mankinds helpers in everyday life and with their funererary afterlife and they shared energy on all levels and you can referance this by most any ancient civilization with I.B. involvement and is usually referred as spirits or guide helpers.
A warrior could access whole energy fields by alighning himself with what man left behind.
Ancient seers recognized this and used it to there liking.
The acheological evidence that we found which reflects alot thats found out there is imbued with I.B. manifestations and they did this for a reason because you can take an object and imbue it with a whole library of info by attaching a I.B. to it.
Ancient man would take power spots or burial grounds and gather such items of I.B. and would use them as referred to BA sites and this would be your connection back then as a link to your ancesters on their afterlife journey.
Ancient seers known what they were doing and set it up for such arrangements but during the holy inquisition the church made this act come to an end and anyone caught doing such acts were killed and this happened until less than one hundred years ago.
Remember that the "Tenet" demanded energy from the naguals party and if he did not get what he wanted as far as sucking their energy that he or she was going to turn them in and they would have been killed if it was reported to the authorities.
The problem is that when you use I.B. involvement is that you exchange each others energy "forever" and this is what Juan Matus was talking about in his teachings.
The new seers recognized that you can attain the same movement or attention without there involvement and not have the same or exchanged energy and it has only been in the last couple hundred of years that this realizaion occured and by not using I.B. involvement a seer can reach farther limits because they are not limited to the I.B. leaches.
What I mean by that is that one one hand they help us but on the other hand they limit us.
The new seers movement was to attain the same results but would have more freedom by not having their involvement.
I will provide a link that will illustrate how someone can use an I.B. and channel and use its energy to use it as a short cut to attain knowledge and power but a warrior must pay an incredible price for this convienient access that they are hungry for and the price is that they will be forever with the F.E. that they embraced or in other words married to it forever without divorce.
I had a friend that did such a thing or act and tried to subdue me with its influence and try and control my attention and it was a battle for my life.
My friend was a minion of something that was very powerful and enough where it controlled his life and what the F.E. wanted was more energy or awareness beings to feed off of and it went and tried to subdue all of my family members or anyone by him opening a can of worms but lukily I recognize this and stopped this before to much damage was done.
Since this major bout happened with what we have found that this all fits in the rules of energy and intent and intent is the key to everything.
I have to search through the threads of the forums and will illustrate what I'm talking about and will provide a link.
I have in my house artifacts that if you were to open up to them and willingly journey with them and voiced your intent that I know that you would vanish and be gone because that is what they were meant to be and that is the journey into the afterlife that they intended.
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p222.ezboard.com/fsorcery...=428.topic
This is a thread that I wanted to talk about that I referred to.
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My Dads work and passion was to research the connection of ancient man and the connection of funerary objects mainly stone birds as artifacts around up to ten thousand years old that were used to by ancient man to be carriers of the soul into the after life.
After decades of research it was revealed that similar practices turned into the same function as angles and he mapped out the progression of application of multiple cultures to achieve the same results but in different practices but achieved the ultimate results and that is the mapping of deities that fostered the passing of the soul into the next world.
I could go into great detail but the bottom line is that this is what set my passion of this interest in motion and have the claim to be knowledgeable in such subjects when I see intent as it is.
I can and might elaborate more depending on circumstance.
My knowledge and the reaching of my dreaming body started in the seventies, almost 30 years now.
I may come accross as an **** but I do not care what anyone thinks of me because i don't personally care for anyone.
My goal is to present a message to warriors.
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Arrano.
Thanks for the answers so far.
How about these two questions
Also how do you understand Spirit that DJ talks about.
Where does Angels and plant and stone spirits fit in?
sincerly
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Mornings Son, can you be more specific on the question that you asked below since it can be quite extensive.
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Also how do you understand Spirit that DJ talks about.
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Such a question can mean many things.
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Trying to be specific when talking about I.B.'s can be almost impossible but this gives me the opportunity to express my opinion on this topic.
In my opinion just about everyone is effected by them in some sort of degrees, mostly in dreams by them trying to drawl energy energy by diverting their true dreaming energy and I think that the reason for this is because when you recognize the energy draining encounters that a warrior puts a stop or severs the energy drain.
The most important factor is being aware of the Fliers or shadows competing for our energy.
It is my contention that the Fliers and I.B.'s are at war with each other for the manipulation of our attention, even this may sound odd but the fact is that there are I.B.'s that are true friends of man by being true allies but there are other that are true blood suckers(energy vampires) and the true I.B.'s akin to man are shun away by the fliers to drive away the tens of thousands of years of association that is documented in history of them helping man be warrior travelers in to the great bans of emanations of awareness that exist but the fliers at all cost will or did drive a wedge of such practices because they are such extreme predators of energy that they did not want this possibility to remain to escape their fixation.
Don Juan said that only from the speed of the dreaming or energy body would we have the necessary speed to attain the black hole effect of the of the fliers hold on our being.
I can personally "Aranno" can attest to D.J. claim or statement by having brief moments of having the necessary speed to catch a glimpse of the freedom without the predatory flier that clouds our true awareness.
I have in the past been short fused or have little tolerance of people taking this lightly because we all have little time left to take this lightly and when I see someone adding to the problem I will point it out.
My advise to all warriors is take this very serious and live the warriors way or just give in and have your energy sucked dry and don't waste time by acting like a non-warrior and reflecting the flier by talking about it half-assed, because this only enables the fliers if it is not a true reflection of a true warriors act.
I don't mean to be disrespectful to any member but what pisses me off is seeing a forum that reminds me of the "Montel Williams" show.
I know people need input but the fact is that we have it already from the "Teachings of D.J." and everyone must punch though the flier and stick to the warriors way.
My observance of the members of this forum is that there are maybe 10% true warriors and the remaining 90% what to make this into a soap opera and as far as dreamers maybe.
My decision to to be so involved in the forum is that its draining my energy by talking to the other 90% that try and engage my attention.
Morningson gave me the best opportunity to tell everyone how I think and wanted to say thank you for asking.
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I don' mean to put a percentage point on the members here but mainly exagerated to make my point that we all need to act about it more rather than just talking about it.
Talking about it does serve a purpose and for me it was the warriors album.
I can only talk about me personally and the reason why I need not to be so involved is that I'm ready for another round of action on my part for dreaming and cleaning my tonal that will be a new approach for me as D.J. mentioned is that it is imperative not to talk about it and focus on the act of the warriors way and me personally know exactly what he's talking about because its affecting me energenically when I will be starting a new round of dreaming, I feel a need not to talk about it.
Has anyone noticed that I have not posted any dreams lately?
I love this forum and always will but timing from me comes from a energenic position.
I will always visit and post but just not full time.
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Just a remider to to warriors that use I.B.'s or channel there power as a short cut to the true attainment of the new seers is that people that take the old seers approach do not have the advantage that the new seers approach has because they will not have the speed of energy movement when being anchored by their I.B. associate.
A new seer has the speed of nothing but pure intent and is not limited to the limited movements of there I.B. alighnment friends.
My bout with Lujan was a illustration of such energy.
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During my life I have been exposed to numerous I.B.'s and learned how they went out of their way to be friends to bid for your energy.
I personally like to fabricate and make objects and products like custom knifes and smoking pipes among numerous other things and I have the ability to imbue it with my own energy or I could imbue it with a I.B. and I learned this from the ancient seers from artifacts that I have found.
I could make something for someone that has energy attached to it and people take such objects for granted not really knowing the full package of what they have.
I could make a object with good energy as a gift because I consider myself as a craftsman like Bob May and imbue it with good energy but there are other people that imbue it with bad energy or negative intent.
I learned this from the old seers.
The old seers could have an object(jewelry, knives, or anything like shamanistic objects) and use it to tap into the energy that was imbued into it.
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In the past when choosing a dreaming place I made the recommendation not to have it at a place where it is imbued with I.B.'s like a temple or any spot where it was intentionally harbored with spirit beings because you do not want to meet there because you are going to meet that particular energy.
I tried in a nice way to advise not to use such places as meeting places while dreaming with your energy or dreaming body and while cautioning members they got irritated by my request to choose a neutral spot to meet.
What I mentioned in the previous posts on this thread members might see what I was talking about the detrimental effects of being in the I.B. playground.
I have learned how to lend people energy to shield themselves from the energy intrusion but it only last a short while.
I myself have along with everyone else has a relentless battle to shield themselves with all predatory beings and this is part of being a warrior.
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Thanks Arrano
First now I had time to catch up with the subject here.
Here goes a lot of ?
- I seen and meet angels a couple of times. Are they IB? If not how do they fit in?
- I recall something about DJ saying that a Sorcere needed the Power from IB's to move the AP - How do you look on this
- How about the spirit catcher (not sure its the right name) that DJ uses. Please say some more on this.
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Quote:- I recall something about DJ saying that a Sorcere needed the Power from IB's to move the AP -
something to perhaps keep in mind....Carlos said that DJ said that. This was After carlos sold out to the IB's, (I believe it was in the art of dreaming, where he stated what you are refering to). If you look at his earlier works, you can see that what you are referencing above came from carlos and not DJ...Don juan spoke about freedom, enslaving yourself to the IB's in exchange for their energy is not freedom.
I assure you, you dont need their nasty energy to move your AP.
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Very good point Molly.
I have very little use for Carlos' books after the first four or so.
He pays way too much attention to non-human entities and I believe we do also.
In my opinion, once we have identified the problem, we should not spend so much time talking about them.
You can't fix a problem by focusing on it. You have to focus on the solution.
Besides, they love the attention I'm sure.Bob
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In the "Art Of Dreaming" a warrior must travel and visit their world as a required step to reach the next gate or development in reaching the full potential of the dreaming body and this comes from D.J. but the problem at that point is that they will entice you to join energy and I experienced this first hand and can attest to it but I knowing the advice from D.J. did not give in.
The secret to this in my opinion and something that I personally use is that I don't fear them but just acknowledge their existence and treat them like a stranger on the side of the road and even though they may want to get a ride or converse you know when to cut the connection before you are vulnerable.
I personally will not share energy with I.B. but you have to learn how to deal with them and what I do is wave good bye to them like a stranger on the road.
A warrior can venture and perceive their world without being married to them and this is what D.J. did or the new seers.
What baffles me is that D.J. had his I.B.'s in a little gourd around his waist and me knowing about I.B.'s you should not have to carry them around like objects because they are always here whether we like it or not.
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Quote:In the "Art Of Dreaming" a warrior must travel and visit their world as a required step to reach the next gate or development in reaching the full potential of the dreaming body and this comes from D.J. but the problem at that point is that they will entice you to join energy and I experienced this first hand and can attest to it but I knowing the advice from D.J. did not give in.
I believe this is the quote MS was referring to..
Quote: "The energy necessary to move the assemblage points of sorcerers comes from the realm of inorganic beings," he said, as if he were hurrying to get it over with.
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omething to perhaps keep in mind....Carlos said that DJ said that. This was After carlos sold out to the IB's, (I believe it was in the art of dreaming, where he stated what you are refering to). If you look at his earlier works, you can see that what you are referencing above came from carlos and not DJ...Don juan spoke about freedom, enslaving yourself to the IB's in exchange for their energy is not freedom.
I assure you, you dont need their nasty energy to move your AP.
and CC never claimed that. you can move AP by fear, some plants and milion other things. He said that you have to visit
their twin world because your energy body needs that dark energy which is available there. If you let them catch you,
your're screwed.
He also said that thanks to their superior awarennes they can move
your AP to places where you possibly could not go by your own.
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Quote:and CC never claimed that.
CC claimed exactly what I quoted above, its a direct quote.
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Hey Arranno
I think there is stuff to catch up on in this thread.
I still like to here what you mean Angels is.
MS
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Morning Son...to me it is always good to see you here.Just want you to know that.
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Hey Arranno
I think there is stuff to catch up on in this thread.
I still like to here what you mean Angels is.
MS
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My father was a amateur theologian after we found some artifacts that spured this inquiry.
We found stone birds and through the study we found that ancient man was in there after life was the obsession of winged deities, ours were stone eagles and others like egypt was "Horus" which was a hawk, old and new angles from countless references and countless other references of eagles or other winged deities that were used in the after life practices or funerary devises as a link to heaven, otherworld or whatever their styntax called for.
D.J. stated when seers tried to catch a glimpse of the source of life they said that it appeared to be a giant eagle.
Seers that match their alignment with the configuration of the source energy fields will mirror the eagle.
My contention through my study along with my fathers of ancient man have found that there is a connection of the concept of angles with what we found as artifacts and my father especially mapped out the progression through time of the continuety of the winged deity.
"My personal theory is that if a seer reach the third attention and mirrored the eagle that you could call him an angle".
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