New Seers and Old Seers

[Guest]

ninth octave wrote:
If you say "you burn from within" I believe you even though I don't know what that really means yet for me. Please show us how" it is well within our grasp"- even if it seems inconceivable to us.
In simple terms, a kundalini awakening has occurred.  The serpent fire burns within you.

[Nu Lang]

lex icon wrote:Sad to see I am already being misunderstood. NL
What has led you to believe you are being misunderstood?
I just meant my call for action. But I can't expect you to know that. Your response was fine. Just you want to 'study' what I said rather then have direct experience it seems. How can "I" give you a direct experience anyway...hmmmmm...if I could perform some sorcery for you I would.

[Nu Lang]

Lone Wolf is my favorite subject, then me, then maybe 'Lex and Ninth' Sounds like a street intersection. "Pick me up at the corner of Lex and Ninth"

[Nu Lang]

Well, I believe we can burn from within and keep our body...that's what I'm on current path doing...first you have to defeat the flyer. Which means you have to practice intent and controlling your mind so it can't.

[Turin Otzaki]

yes yes yes, me too

[Jessicar.parallelperception]

Enchantra,

"Ignore" works for me also--as it has in the past.  Every once in a while though I feel inclined to speak aloud and so I did.

[Guest]

Jessicar wrote:Enchantra,

"Ignore" works for me also--as it has in the past.  Every once in a while though I feel inclined to speak aloud and so I did.
I understand.

[Guest]

lex icon wrote:Jessicar,
No under current and what you consider defensive in me I consider pure offensive. I am attacking lol. Getting tired of all the sniper fire.
Not trying to make friends or gain followers and I am certainly resisting any and all attempts to corral me into something more civilized.
I think it would be better for you if you just neglected the topic of me. I am really not that interesting but what I say is. I do not care if you do not share that opinion either. If you don't care for what I am talking about and would rather talk about me I am not sure I will have the energy to always respond to you. I am one of my least favorite subjects. Ninth loves me she will talk to you about me all day long. And as for those who find me utterly distasteful I am sure you will find lots to talk about concerning me.

Lex,
I understand you are not interested in stalking yourself or your reactions or tactics, but are you aware that the enrgy you emit in these 'attack' posts changes the tone of the entire thread?  Do you know that a person can sense this energy the minute they log into this Forum?  It is felt in the gut and is not a pleasant feeling.  fyi

[ninth octave]

what's wrong with pretending I don't exist...
what part of no don't you understand...
save the drama for your mama...
do I look fat in this dress...
And the oscar goes to Cooo li nnn Fffirr thh ...The Kinnng's Sppeeeeeeech

[Bob May]

A very cool woodcut. The guy is peeking outside the physical Universe.

[Bob May]

I've been working on this all day. Cutting and pasting (the old fashoned way with scissors and paste)
Tarot cards on the paths of the Tree of Life. Along with Hebrew letters.

[White Knight]

Hi Bob,

i saw this picture, the tree of life, many times over spiritual sites, could you do same short practical explanation of it?

[Nu Lang]

Turin Otzaki wrote:yes yes yes, me too
Right on ...

[Bob May]

White Knight wrote:
Hi Bob,
i saw this picture, the tree of life, many times over spiritual sites, could you do same short practical explanation of it?The best book on the subject that I ever read is linked below. I lost my copy years ago in a fire but just ordered one from Amazon.
http://alleeshadowtradition.com/pdf/mystical_qabala.pdf
Above the Tree of Life is the Limitless Light. The unknowable.
Coming down the Tree there are 10 Sephiroth, beginning with Kether the "Crown" and ending in the world of matter Malkuth "the Kingdom."
Each Sephirah is an "Aspect" of  the One God. We can become "one with" these aspects.
Each Sephirah has a table of correspondences containing the God name, Archangel name, order of angels, Spiritual Experience.
Each of the 22 connecting paths symbolise spiritual awarenesses. On these can be placed the 22 Hebrew Letters, (aeons here since Creation) and the 22 Major Arcana Tarot cards.
It is a Glyph of existence on all levels. As such it is a tools to organize and make comprhensible any sytem of knowledge or philosophy.
By using the Correspondences, a magician or priest can use the Tree to guide his magical working and formulas.
A Mystic can contact his or her Source of Power. Wisdom, Understanding, Mercy, Grace are all on the Tree.
Meditation or Contemplation on the Paths or Sephiroth (plural of Sephirah) can bring these things into your mind.
Also there are vices and virtues on the Tree which can show you what you need to work on in your self.
All levels work by the same patterns whether Physical, Psychological, Spiritual or Divine.
We were Created in "God's Image" so the pattern of the Tree of Life holds the keys of both us and God and our roadmap back to Him.
The Tree acts as a filing cabinet for our subconscious mind. We organise out thoughts and philosophys with this filing and it is almost effortless to recieve connecting thoughts and principles. We hang things there as others thoughout history have. So it is a living system.
We have access to what others have placed upon the Tree also.
As a Christian Mystic my teacher used it to show that in Returning, a Mystic goes up the Middle pillar of which there are three. To become one with a Sephirah on the "Middle Pillar" is to gain an understanding of the Sephiroth "below" and to the sides.
Life is balance. Balance is beauty,..Symetry.
Christ, while here functioned from Tipareth, the center of the Tree while he had a body of matter like us, in Malkuth. But his knowledge came from the Supernal Triangle across the Abyss called Knowledge or Daath. Kether, Chokmah, and Binah.
When Jesus left he went back to Kether yet lives in us and shares the knowledge from across the Abyss.

Here is a good representation that shows the four worlds, the three pillars, firmness, mercy and Grace, the middle pillar.
It also shows how this author fits the levels of progression of a practitioner of Yoga on the left.
The importance of the Tree is to help us understand Creation, the World around us and where we are in the whole scheme of things. Where we need to go and what we need or are lacking in order to get there.
In short, it is a roadmap to higher awarenesses and ultimately, Yoga, or Union with God.
As Jesus said "I and the Father are One."

[Bob May]

It is interesting I forgot to mention Gematria (the Qabalah of numbers)
If two words or phrases in the Hebrew language add up to the same number they are "equal in meaning."
There are no numbers in Greek or Hebrew so the letters are used for numbers this is called Gematria and it is actually several number codes.
So, I looked up the word on the Middle Pillar on the last illustration. Gimel, Samek, Tav. It adds up to 463

נסג nacag {naw-sag'} a primitive root; TWOT - 1469; v AV - remove 5, departing away 1, take 1, take hold 1, turn away 1; 9 1) to move away, backslide, move, go, turn back 1a) (Qal) to backslide, prove recreant to 1b) (Hiphil) 1b1) to displace, move back 1b2) to remove, carry away 1d) (Hophal) to be driven back, be moved back
When I looked up the word in the bible it gave the word above and Proverb 22:28



Pr 22:28
Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set.Their "father", Jacob set up a stone for a landmark after having the middle pillar experience and vision of the Tree of Life (which is also called
Jacob's Ladder) He had a Mystical awakening at that place and said "Surely God is in this place and I knew it not." And there God promised that "Ground" (THE EXPERIENCE, Not the land) to his seed after him.
That is his "spiritual seed", or those who would follow in his steps.
Again, the idea of a map. A map of Spiritual experience with hints left along the way by those who have gone before. Like Jacob  and whoever wrote those verses.

[White Knight]

This is a huge big science... Thanks for information.

[Nu Lang]

Bob May wrote:


A very cool woodcut. The guy is peeking outside the physical Universe.
I like this And I have the urge to get out magic markers and color it. My sister and I used to buy those color in posters, reminds me of that.

[Bob May]

Nu Lang wrote:
Bob May wrote:



A very cool woodcut. The guy is peeking outside the physical Universe.
I like this And I have the urge to get out magic markers and color it. My sister and I used to buy those color in posters, reminds me of that.

So do it. Spend some time with the picture. This is a very good illustration of what a Mystic is in my opinion.
Someone who is always looking behind the scenes. Beyond the apparent. Beyond the appearances of "this World."

[shamanka]

Epiqwynn wrote:lex icon wrote:LW,
I know this is where you are coming from. I did pay attention when you had mentioned that you had burned from within! Other than myself you are the only other person I have come across that has even dared to claim such a thing. I have much to say in this regard but people are having a hard time with stuff I have been expressing.
I understand the sort of flexibility you outline regarding the Rule, but there are many others that would not. How you became secure in your position on this and do not feel pressed to “act” and speak in ways that others would find appropriate to their idea of the Rule might be informative.  But why wouldn’t this sort of flexibility put you above the Rule, which I do not have a problem with. After all the Rule was a gift to mankind, man was not made for the Rule.
And yes there are naguals in many different types of beings that may not know of any Rule.
you burned from within, i find this hard to believe, then why are you still here???
people find alot of things hard to believe....thing is thats not our problem. you dont believe cos obviously it hasnt happened for you, so maybe you should concentrate on intentioning experiences rather than calling people liars.

actually although i haven't read too much of your stuff lex...i 'get' you!

[Nu Lang]

you burned from within, i find this hard to believe, then why are you still here???Seems to me Epiqwynn though burning from within meant leaving the world. So clarification was useful. I don't see Epiqwynn calling Lex a lair though. That's an interpretation.
I notice Shamanka you often give out advice but usually you are doing the very thing you are telling others not to do, which is judge another's subjective viewpoint...so its an inconsistency I say. So while you 'get' Lex, you don't get Epiqwynn. Does that make you right? No, does it make you wrong? no. Subjectivity..it is what it is. I wouldn't comment on it to you except I notice you do this alot,... try to tell others how to think and feel...the very thing you say they should not do to others. In light of needing to shed our human form...something to consider as to why its a pattern of behavior.
I feel we need to question each other at times and be it subjective it may, but the resulting interaction can bring objective insights to light in the process. For example, what resulted here is we see that burnign from within is not specifically experienced as losing one's physical body in the process. I think some CC readers need that clarified.

[ninth octave]

I  "get" you.    Usually another way to say "I understand where you are coming from"..or  I get you cause I myself know what its like to burn from within. 
CC always asked 3- year old questions to DJ 
CC was nothing but subjective in his writtings. The narrative in his books is so attractive and affectionate and so HUMAN to identify with us!

[Bob May]

Jas 3:5
Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!




Jas 3:6
And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.


Ac 2:2
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.




Ac 2:3
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.


Ac 2:4
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Two kinds of fire, two tongues of flame.
Two sources.

[ninth octave]

Bob May wrote:


I've been working on this all day. Cutting and pasting (the old fashioned way with scissors and paste)
Tarot cards on the paths of the Tree of Life. Along with Hebrew letters.
I came across where the terminology and philosophy of Castaneda's " Tensegrity".  It also started with a tree analogy.
R.Buckminster Fuller, whose perception of energy  led him to observe a principle of fluid interconnectivity in nature which he called "tensegrity, a combo of tensional integrity, which describes the forces at work in a structure that is formed by a finite network of compression, or rigid elements interconnected through tensile, or elastic elements which give the structure its overall integrity.  DUED TO THE ELASTIC PROPERTY OF INTERCONNECTIVENESS, WHEN ONE ELEMENT OF THE TENSEGRITY STRUCTURE SHIFTS, ALL THE OTHER ELEMENTS SHIFT AS WELL, OR ADAPT FOR A NEW CONFIGURATION , YIELDING WITHOUT BREAKING.

Fuller pointed to the essential supporter on earth, the tree, as a wonderful example of a tensegrity structure in nature. Arising from a seed, water , earth, air and sunlight,  A TREE GROWS INTO AN EFFICIENT TENSEGRITY STRUCTURE with water and gases moving inside, ALLOWING IT TO BE BOTH FLEXIBLE AND INCREDIBLY RESILIENT, as it SWAYS AND ADAPTS, TO SHIFTING WINDS AND EARTH , AND LIFTS MINERALS --BITS OF STARDUST--AND WATER FROM EARTH TO SKY.

Buckminster Fuller: An Autobiographical Monologue/Scenario, Documented and Edited by Robert Snyder

The Tree of Life has been connected with Jesus by many of the early Christian writers. The first mention of of the Tree of Life is in  first book of the Old Testament (Genesis) and the last reference to the tree is in the last book of the New Testament( Revelation). In Revelation 2:7, John speaks of "the Tree of Life in the midst of the Paradise of God."
Two of the images associated with the 6th Sephira , Tiphareth, are those of majestic king and a sacrificed god. Both images are related to Jesus in the Christian Kabbalah. The planet associated with Tiphareth is the Sun, also a symbol of Jesus, who said, "I am the light of the world."
As the Tree of Life is seen as the Body of God--Adam Kadmon--so it is also identified with the human body. Adam Kadmon is seen as the macrocosmus, and man as the microcosmus.

[Bob May]

Re 2:7
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.


Re 22:1
And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.


 

Re 22:2
In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.


 

Re 22:3
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:




Re 22:4
And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.




Re 22:5
And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.


There is a lot of symbolism of Christ there, and also the water you mentioned. If you place the major arcana Tarot cards on the 22 paths on the Tree it is even more astounding in it's interconnections. To meditate on a card is to give you the subjective awareness of that Path on the Tree.

The 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet also fit on the 22 paths. The letters on the middle pillar Tav (T), Samek (S), and Gimel © spell  Teseg. To Remove or to be taken away.
This is the experience of Jacob's Ladder (The Tree of Life) when he Dreamed a Dream and saw angels ascending and descending from heaven.
Then he set up a stone for a landmark.


Pr 22:28
Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set.
Jacob of course was one of the "Fathers" being one of the Patriarchs.
I had that experience. It is also called the Coat of Many Colors but most do not recognise that when reading the bible because their teachers never experienced it.
Also that river of the water of life flowing through the cards on the Tree. It starts behind the veil of the Holy of Holies on the Empress Card and is seen in several cards sometimes as a pool or ocean or stream. At the endon the Universe Card it is an ocean of pure Blue white Lightning.
Jesus not only bid us to eat of his Fruit, (of the Tree of Life) in the verse above, but to drink of that ocean of energy.


Joh 4:14
But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
By the way, the Wreath that the woman hovers in in the World or Universe card at the bottom is a "Vesica Pistis" The Vagina of the Universe as Don Juan used to say.

[Bob May]

By the way, the Wreath that the woman is hovering in in the "World" or "Universe" card at the bottom is the Vesica Piscis.
A very widespread spiritual symbol.
It reminds me of Don Juan's vagina of the Universe and it actually has that meaning in symbology.