Tensegrity

[rosygyro]

...... please let me edit so i can take out spelling mistakes and add afterthoughts!

[glance left]

I'm personally finding, the more centralized the pivotal point..the simpler it is to effect complexity of one's circumstances simultaneously.

[glance left]

Science de Tesla!!! *vrooooooom*

[rosygyro]

glance left wrote:I'm personally finding, the more centralized the pivotal point..the simpler it is to effect complexity of one's circumstances simultaneously.




what about the sorcerer who is alone in a void created by discrimination?
It simply isnt tennable for him to mortaly survive such a position and protrusions into the organic framework would still be classed as seperatism AND also be
negative as regards energetic attachment!
although i dont want sorcerers to just be severed and die.. i also dont want them to latch onto other peoples life energy or intrude by displacing other peoples tonal centres from within the mest matrix!
I think we not only need a classification of intent or SCABBARD for the sword of intent. but also a SCABBARD for the individuals concept of penetration.
XOXO if thats what you call the deathdefier would certainly agree..

[glance left]

"what about the sorcerer who is alone in a void created by discrimination?"



What about him? I certainly can't speak for that guy...or girl...or whoever.



And I think classification is only as good as the moment its relevant within...thus, subject to change as the case may be.

[rosygyro]

well as regards the sorcerer alone in a self imposed discriminational void.
i believe he has valuable and applicable power even though he is a throwback to the past!
social conditioning is to be destroyed so we can be free..
but also..
selective conditioning from recapitulation can also orient a warrior toward a normally inaccessible freedom through the launchpad effect.
so thats remebering selective truths or even lieing using the jewel of illusion into your own roots in order to propel you in an intelligent direction.
I think the seperatist sorcerer alone in a self imposed void is in fact just waiting to be drilled through by a more creative eenrgy
and i believe this energy to be collective.
thats not to say we should all be paranoid about our childhoods..
just that our belief can be more than free.. it can be programmed into the superhuman.
WITHOUT contravening the dreamers code or avoiding intelligent co-operation.

[rosygyro]

[Guest]

seesaw wrote:Awesome 1000th post Rosy. Im am just about to celebrate it by performing Intent series out of pure delight.
The best series of them all imo.

[rosygyro]

i think your avatar is an albino python!

[Guest]

rosygyro wrote:i think your avatar is an albino python!This has nothing to do with tensegrity, but simply for clarification here are some pics:
Albino Python:
  

White Cobra:

Course, this is a creature that I first found in dreaming, so who's to say what he actually looks like 'in real life'?

[Uncle Sam]

The book Magical Passes is brilliant, the best texts.
CC developed the passes. If a seer sees the energy on human body (as a luminous sphere), it is evident that if someone uses any special movement while using the physical energy in the body in the tension and relaxation manner, massage of internal organs and breaths, that it moves energy, redeploy too, so the intent to do intentionaly is enough, and anybody can develop this movements to be efficient if one knows the workings of the energy centers.
On the same mechanism work asanas and the energetical exercises (qigong, tai-qi, kum-nye, jantrayoga etc).
So e.g. intent series can be pretty sophisticated and efficient exercises via specific massaging body.
The difference in Tensegrity is that some movements are not-doings series (with the danger of second attention fixation trap) or the original ancient shamanistic movements (with the same danger).
Joke. Dreamways wrote on his site: "Don Juan is not doing that **** (meaning tensegrity)". lol.
CC has developed it from the eastern exercises and shamanistic passes from Mexico and he said it openly, that it is his generic invention.
There is one example in history. the founder of zen school in China has brought the proto qi-gong from India to Shao-lin China, from it developed many generic energetic exercises like tai-chi.
That means that the movements simply works if the body is massaged or activated specifically, it moves energy throught the energy centers, and it can be sophistically developed if it is being developed by a seer.
The book is safe if the energy is monitored, but the videos, not doing passes and shamanic passes no.

[Uncle Sam]

it is very frequent that tensegrity is source of negative possesion with IBs, energetic or spiritual damage or mental ilness - because exactly doing the shamanic passes outside the MP book (videos), not-doing passes etc. it is generally thru this intent, dark toltec toxic intent =)

CC material is not spiritual. it is sorcery/shamanism. its negative, deleterious for modern people who are not dedicated shamanistic/sorcery practitioners

[Absyllyon]

This video may be of interest to some. Although not an extensive review
of his book, it does look at information that is pertinent to the
subject of this thread.
http://www.mesoamericas.com/archives/855
The Life and Teachings of Carlos Castaneda demystifies what Castaneda
sought to hide and delivers a detailed portrait of the forces and
influences that drove him to become a Nagual, a man of knowledge and
emptiness. Here, too, is a concept-to-concept comparison in which the
primary source of Castaneda’s ideas is uncovered—Gurdjieff’s Fourth Way.
Also explored are don Juan’s true identity, the meaning of Castaneda’s
“jump into the abyss,” the life of the Nagual and the strange sexual
power games he played with his “witches.” Included in full is the first
reference to Nagualism, anthropologist Daniel Brinton’s essay
“Nagualism: A Study in Native American Folklore and History,” written in
1894.

[Uncle Sam]

Tensegrity is functional as in the book, just any not-doing passes or the ancient shamanic passes are deleterious (second attention fixation trap, energetic poison)

Thats nonsense Abs... i recommend to end your "sceptic" phase and start to practice - yoga, whatever is wholesome and functional

(CC/DJ is the third attention yoga, to bring the two bodies together specificaly, it is called light body realization in the east, very rare there, unlike in mexico).

[spiderlily]

Uncle Sam wrote:Tensegrity is functional as in the book, just any not-doing passes or the ancient shamanic passes are deleterious (second attention fixation trap, energetic poison)

Thats nonsense Abs... i recommend to end your "sceptic" phase and start to practice - yoga, whatever is wholesome and functional

(CC/DJ is the third attention yoga, to bring the two bodies together specificaly, it is called light body realization in the east, very rare there, unlike in mexico).
Sam, I've decided to integrate some Yoga into my daily practice.  Anything in particular you recommend?

[Uncle Sam]

The word yoga means Integration.

Integration of energy and awareness, of energy bodies, towards light body realization - in this context.

With capital letter, Yoga is also mastery over Universe.

here is the original on Yoga: http://www.arlingtoncenter.org/Sanskrit-English.pdf

Also check please what is Atiyoga.

The point is to do the Integration systematically, in holistic way of life, its 8 limbs (ashtanga), yama, niyama, asana, pranayama, pratyahara, dharana, dhyana, samadhi. Everything to do with physical health, energy/awareness maintanance, power (siddhi, applied knowledge) and wisdom.

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research on some key-words:

"Yoga is mastery over universe" (google)

http://www.healthandyoga.com/html/sutra ... tras5.aspx

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"Panca Bhutas" (google)

http://www.virtualsynapses.com/2010/09/ ... Wp6VUpFZU4

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[Uncle Sam]

SL: practice as you see fit, with the study, skillfully, to feel well, sophisticated optimization of energy bodies power. calm happy smiling tigers =)

There is the marker of this optimization of well being: to be also aware when you are asleep, but not dreaming - to be aware of non-rem sleep.
It is integration of energy and awareness, where is the health principle - physical body, mental body, emotional body, and energy nagual body (double) - integration of energy nagual body with physical body in this realm, the third ring of power, towards the light body realization. Yoga practice with recapitulation is the recipe for third attention freedom.
- if you do asanas you feel very well bodily- if you do pranayama (breathing) you are full of energy- concentration of awareness (dharana) - inner silence - in everyday life- mastery of awareness (dhyana-samadhi, jhanas development - zazen)- Atiyoga
Yoga is healthy, integrated path to become superior Seer. Joyful happiness. Third attention, light body is basic natural achievement, it is not the super-cosmic Yoga, full mastery over Universe yet =)

Abs: here. its poor claim.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Life-Teaching ... ewpoints=0
http://www.ashtangayoga.info/source-tex ... irodhah-2/
http://www.ashtangayoga.info/source-tex ... sthanam-3/

[spiderlily]

Thanks

[Uncle Sam]

SL: it is all absolutely natural ! the light, and towards body of light... perception... interplay body and energy body.

this principle: http://www.nyingma.com/dzogchen1.htm

Absyllyon, friend...

The text on this review speaks diamonds !!!

http://www.amazon.com/review/R2EDJ9SGPL ... hisHelpful

as response to "William Patrick Patterson Explores The Life & Teachings of Carlos Castaneda" (Have you read Belzezub tales ?)

[Absyllyon]

Point taken.
Imo the reviewer is overly identified on account of the emotiveness of his attack on Patterson. So he looses credibility and comes across as just another CC defender. On the other hand I was disappointed in Pattersons book, which focused too much on gossip and not at all on his own 'seeing'. His own seeing is what I wanted to read about.
I have only read the introduction to Belzebub Tales.

[glance left]

As per Doktor Green's recommendations, I've been doing the 5 Tibetan Rites lately. Really nice and invigorating!

[glance left]

These are really awesome, too...have practised them avidly in the past...and maybe again in the future!

[Absyllyon]

Awesome glance left. I have just started the 5 Tibetan rites. The only difference in the series I am doing is the last exercise. The last one you lay on your back with your but against a wall and your legs extended straight up the wall, starting with a 5 minute duration.

[Uncle Sam]

First, tonal and nagual. It is natural to be aware of double, bilocation - there is the little desync in it, third point is the start of the natural development.

I.e. To move from "dreaming only" to bilocation (third point) as natural development, constant awareness of double.

So if you start the course your waking reality (tonal) is thru AP-to-AP atracting/accelerating the double (nagual), so finally you reach the third point and then you are bilocated like Genaro on Earth (in Tales of Power).

e.g. my body in mountains of Colorado, my double in other state or anywhere on Earth or in Universe.

Double is the self. But also double starts as a dream (second attention). But then it is due to reach the third point - i.e. that people doing dreaming must start to be aware of their double when awake in tonal.

(read the Tales of Power chapters to understand it, chapter on luminous beings awareness and chapter on tonal and nagual) and Genaro stories how it was natural for him, the first three chapters.

So every free healthy human being (totality of oneself, *totality* is not good word, because it reminds totalitarian regimes) is third attention warrior.

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SL: Dream Yoga is the highest-level medium method in Yoga. Ensonar (Dreaming of Abstract Sorcerers) and Dream Yoga. These are the most beautiful.

to avoid confusion: from ashtanga yoga (thats hatha-yoga technically, Patanjalis Yoga is Raja yoga) it is possible to move to 6 high yogas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_yogas_of_Naropa (and Mahamudra) and to Atiyoga (Dzogchen, Lamps in Thogal) - there are some additional cores (as 5 Lights) in Atiyoga. Dharmadhatu and Dharmakaya.

=Radiant Light method is another one here (practiced in sleep) Practitioner will not lose consciousness on the onset of sleep, but awakens instantly into the Light. = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96sel_%28yoga%29

So as SL asked for a method, i state that SL can practice Radiant Light from it get to Dream Yoga, next to Ensonar (Dreaming) practice, if SL has optimalized energy with basic yoga.

Those who are practicing Dreaming, if they do basic yoga (preparatory optimization of energy, chakras) can move to Radiant Light and Dream Yoga as well, if they follow the methodology.

Dzogchen is special method school for it.

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The model is this physical body with chakras connected to energy body. So the basic yoga rationale is to work on this physical body with chakras, to work on energy with asanas, breathing pranayama (prana, e.g. seeing prana), thats the whole hatha-yoga system, e.g. working directly with chakras and channels, special and specific, powerful sophisticated methods in integrated system. The optimization of the physical body is primary and with devolepment (completion) of energy futher methods are possible.

basic yoga (health and energy optimization, ashtanga/hathayoga) is needed (preparatory) to get to 6 higher yogas as Illusory body, Radiant Light, Transference, Dream Yoga.

Light body realization (third attention total freedom, the fire from within, third attention crossing over) is achieved naturally.

[Uncle Sam]

Abs: Thats classical "Castanedology", read the argument* of Tony Schultes what is below first pls.

that book is scavenging imo on gossip and b.s., as i see the phenomenon, some people are obsessed with CC and sorcery (sustained reaction). It is very unhealthy for them, and dangerous in some cases.

That book may be interesting from analytic, comparative and psychological point of view (otherwise it is 50 % gossip ? and the rest are opinions that "CC is Gurdjieff"

(tonal-nagual dichotomy, the mind is tonal, everything is tonal, e.g. Don Juans says: "Human is only mind" ! Chilli sauce etc.)

CC books are Shamanism class and G. not, G. is G. specific, G. is comparative unit akin to e.g. Aleister Crowley etc.

it is good to read all the reviews on that book with comments.. (i meant all the 1* reviews with comments) and 5* reviews with comments.

The point is that =Don Juan Teachings= (Castaneda books, and not the ad hominem man Carlos Castaneda) is single distinct unit like schools in =Yoga=, Buddhist schools included. Buddhism is Yoga, Dharma is term in Yoga, a knowledge that you hold (historical Buddha was "Emperor of yogis", not only "a king of yogis"). Or shamanism units. It is not Gurdjieff teachings, obviously.

You can do some phenomenological research for yourself, or test it. I post on third attention yoga and third attention warriors. Specifically on the Tonal-Nagual awarenes and Light body realization (Third attention). I can suggest you specific tests and exercises how to test it if you wanted.

The book is wrong probably, highly unethical, and perhaps potentially extremely dangerous/deleterious for the author himself (or for some obssesed readers too), except the fact that the book is ****, it depends on who cares, and who is obssesed with "CC stuff". Amy Wallace s book is OK, but this book is imo "toxic" piece, for some certain specific reasons. it will buy only people into CC stuff and G., so thats ok probably.

I will read it someday pro forma (there is personal history piece that Carol Tiggs was student of one student of G.), but i rather would like to read the Belzebub tales, books of G. are original books as CCs are, not to mention that CC books contain =Don Juan Teachings= is a form of Knowledge, as Dharma in Yoga, CC books are Shamanism class, not Gurdjieff, in G. are some exercises, insights and allegories and life wisdom, but is it not Yoga. It is not Knowledge and it is not Dharma (Knowledge and Dharma have death as criterion).

I am interested in G. for literary and psychological insights reasons, but claims that "Fourth way" is CC - no, those are only so called similiarities.

*here is the argument:

Castaneda never claimed the teaching he followed was "his own teaching." As for the source of the teaching, it's good to keep the question. We recognized similarities between the Teachings of Don Juan and those of Gurdjieff decades ago, after the first books from Castaneda, but some of us decided not to draw any conclusions. Castaneda's works stand very well on their own. There were always questions about the source. It was even suggested in another circle that Milton Erickson was Don Juan. Erickson, who is reputed to be the father of modern hypnosis, wasn't a follower of Gurdjieff, but some Gurdjieff literature was found in his library. One could just as easily write a book showing that Erickson was Castaneda's true source, but would it be any more real? Truth has many apparent connections.

Tony Schultes

http://www.amazon.com/review/R3DMO2DDG0 ... hisHelpful