Tensegrity

[rosygyro]

what about the three riddles? and what about the eagle?
what are the three riddles of man..?

[seesaw]

Well these are of course your own beliefs Marudjin, based of course on your own experiences and ideas.



Personally I avoid telling people what they should or shouldnt believe because frankly its the height of arrogance, especially when i know that many of the people here on the forum have enough ability and strange daily experiences for me to consider them as people id like to learn from. Also peoples psycho-spiritual make up can vary to such an extent that good advice for one might be detrimental advice for another.



As for emptiness being the most fullfilling experience, well compared with what else? I certainly havn't experienced everything possible. I certainly havn't experienced the awareness of the eagle as described in the books. (I have seen the mold of man though, pretty funky). Im not really bothered by wether the pope has seen god or not. The pope doesn't come to the forum so i cant interact with him. Rosy does however, and in the spirit of genuine communication, im fascinated by other people and their experiences. They are like adventurers tales. The good ones anyway.

[Marudjin]

I am not impriting anything to you, what you read is only my perspective written by MY free will,

and if you consider (ONLY) My post arrogant its only your free will to do so.

POPE and GOD same as EAGLE and your BOOK....which is not yours.

i wont write anymore.

WITHDRAWING NOW .

[rosygyro]

don juan left a vision of mescalito connected to the books, as well as some descriptive parts of the winds of power!
carlos, left his own perceptions of witches, donkeys and don genaro!
Don juans mescalito vision is a better link..
In fact i would say discerning between the two mens visions is a skill..

[delawaredan]

RG, that is a great way to clarify the difference between a true connection with spirit and one man's interpretation of spirit. The ability to discern between the two is revealed by inner silence. Don Juan's mescalito vision is more clear then the perception of Carlos.

[delawaredan]

But of course we are shown this vision through CC's perception.

[glance left]

"who said this PLANET SIZED DRAGON wasnt offering you a chance to stalk.

I think you made the wrong decision.. I mean what harm can a blinking dragon do to you if you stalk it?"



There was no decision to be made, Rosy. There was no mental process there, it's just what I did. The impulse was to run driven by fear...or at least recoil..and then there was a deeper, quieter voice which, in essence, "said" to do the opposite...do a reversal, in spite of the superficial impulse....all this occuring faster than thought. It was a feeling...and the impeccable move was to fly into its mouth regressing in size. It was the inversion that was the appropriate act here....inversion to make what was apparent irrelevant so that what was not apparent could become relevant.



Sorry...didn't mean to offend you calling you a tool. That was mean, and I apologize. You're definitely being one, but its not my job to point that out....so please forgive me for that.

[rosygyro]

glance left wrote:"who said this PLANET SIZED DRAGON wasnt offering you a chance to stalk.

I think you made the wrong decision.. I mean what harm can a blinking dragon do to you if you stalk it?"



There was no decision to be made, Rosy. There was no mental process there, it's just what I did. The impulse was to run driven by fear...or at least recoil..and then there was a deeper, quieter voice which, in essence, "said" to do the opposite...do a reversal, in spite of the superficial impulse....all this occuring faster than thought. It was a feeling...and the impeccable move was to fly into its mouth regressing in size. It was the inversion that was the appropriate act here....inversion to make what was apparent irrelevant so that what was not apparent could become relevant.



Sorry...didn't mean to offend you calling you a tool. That was mean, and I apologize. You're definitely being one, but its not my job to point that out....so please forgive me for that.but the point of no pity.. is about being afraid and then rather than running from it totally identifying with your opponent! so that you know your opponent in totality and hence can pre-empt his moves and immpeccably defend etc..
that must be what i mean by stalking. the first stage of the point of no pity..
I dont think that it is wise to just do the opposite of running away...
same as you cant use the point of no pity to just be really really quick in a fight.
its most debilitating consequence is the empathy with the other.
its why the JAGUAR PRIEST used it atop the stepped pyramids for human sacrifice.
the upshot of the ritual was that the total identity within the sacrificial removal of the heart
was infused with the very real fact that the sacrificial victims awarness was schooled to become the jaguar priest nect lifetime.

I just dont get it..
You dont think destroying a vision of a dragon is running away?
the dragons gone it didnt get you..

[rosygyro]

Thats my plastic cow removing tool..
its based on the point of no pity with a woman who has energetic wounds from rape!
as well as energetic wounds from miscarriage and abortion..
as well as the reclaiming of energy from family without damaging them.
Its for removing foreign fibres using a TEMPLATE or interface between a section of the eagles emanations which slip softly between
blood based relationships as we hit the age of genetic and dna manipulation.
its an evolving awarness model that is relative to the mass human assemblage position as civilisation evolves technologicly
its supposed to be generic like all mass produced tools are..
its more of a death defier invention.. to allow his journey to continue.. as the interface fulfills some of his purpose through the avenue of machines.
PLANES AND SPINDLES (why fight it)
Its not a specialist tool for a single purpose its a metaphor for something fundamental
that has purpose!
this is the major drawback with the theoretical basis that tensegrity is the same as practiced by ANCIENT sorcerers.
How can it possibly relate to the changing environment?
ive never been into personal power becuase the dragon/ the rose, the eagle have a power beyond personal power.
the tumbler rarly strikes generic sections of the assemblage point as intelligent co-operation is an inclusive awarness/
mootool chacmool step step step

[rosygyro]

if you can for a moment imagine having a THORN jammed into you every 10 minutes for TWO YEARS..
and how you would energeticly make a face around the hole... as you objected to the intrusion.
Now imagine that that face looked like a dragon to someone..
who then proceded to try to climb inside the wound!
Try to understand me mate.. Im very much a seer..
Every creature has holes.. and flesh..
and just as the flesh is made by the eagles emaniations as they manifest.
THE HOLES are also made of the eagles emanations.
sometimes.. if you see an open mouth.. you just gotta make sure
that the right SYMBOL, the right GATE, the right FIBRE.. is positioned at the hole..
for that creatures actual true TONAL.
Like its blowing a bubble
and make sure its alright.. and dont just go in through the hole.
you cant just climb into things so you cant see them anymore..
Its really quite irresponsible.
I know youve called me a tool twice now..
what can i call you,, when you just ITCH to excercise power..??????
a favour just think about it....

[rosygyro]

ITS CALLED
FOREBEARANCE

[glance left]

"I dont think that it is wise to just do the opposite of running away.."



The operative word here in your comment is "think"...and I already told you thinking didn't have anything to do with it. If you were there, you'd know what I was talking about...which begs the question, why are you projecting mentally into the situation...reasoning around it based on your ideas about principles you uphold? You're speculating...and since your so sensitive about the notion of "intrusion" you may want to take a look at that little process right there. Yes I see the veritable billboard in your last post, Rosy. Bold faced irony. "Forebearance"...practise what you preach. Don't want to get called a "tool"? Then quit acting like one. Besides...I know you dish it...surely you can take it

[Uncle Sam]

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seesaw - mold of man. real data. happy.



rosy - the frequent result of romanticism was feeding someone or oneself to eagle



marudjin - the strongest body you can get, because this is the truth about don Juan and every real hardcore shaman. its 100 % physical, not spiritual. the same would tell you Buddha too, i.e. its systematic enterprise and struggle whilst spirituality is only a tool of flyers (or rather, deer hunter as Buddha used to put it, don Juan Invader) how to keep new agers in coop. so its only wise to withdraw and go directly for the honey ( as honey is in the rock), not for the privet.





ad Eagle: they could barely survive only very short cursory glances of this magnitude, dissolving force. synonym is the Dark sea of awareness, ocean.

[quantumshaman]

Uncle Sam wrote:
marudjin - the strongest body you can get, because this is the truth about don Juan and every real hardcore shaman. its 100 % physical, not spiritual. the same would tell you Buddha too, i.e. its systematic enterprise and struggle whilst spirituality is only a tool of flyers (or rather, deer hunter as Buddha used to put it, don Juan Invader) how to keep new agers in coop. so its only wise to withdraw and go directly for the honey ( as honey is in the rock), not for the privet.   Dear Scout1:
This is the biggest crock of **** I've read in a very long time.  The physical body is important, but it is also completely UNimportant at the end of the long road, because it is the one thing you can't take with you.  To say the journey is 100% physical is to demonstrate the depth of your ignorance, arrogance and, frankly, the height of your self-importance.  You can hop around on one foot in a dojo for 30 years and have great physical strength, but if you don't practice "the right way to live", if you don't hone your intent and summon your will, if you don't silence the internal dialog and create the double... you are nothing but an exercise junkie - right up to the point where your physical body begins to fail, your organs start to age... and your brain falls out your **** because you've had your head up there for the past 30 years looking for yourself in your physical body.
To others reading this - sorry to be so harsh, but I've just about had it with Scout 1 and his multiple personality disorder.  I can count at least 10 different aliases he has used over the past couple of years, including Uncle Sam and Marudjin.  If he had anything of value to say, it would be different, but 99.999% of the things he posts under his various alter-nyms is nothing but paranoid delusional **** warning us against the dangers of tensegrity and the flyers.  NLW will ban him for awhile, but then he springs up again like a weed coming up from the root.
Scout... if you spent half as much time worrying about yourself as you seem to spend worrying about flyers, you might have a better understanding of what the Toltec path is really all about.  YOU are the flyer.  (And you are doing a good job of proving it.)
Get real.  Or get lost.
QS

[Uncle Sam]

While imparting his instructions, Don Juan stressed in every possible way the fact that the enormous emphasis the shamans of his lineage had put on physical prowess and mental well-being had lasted to the present day. I was able to corroborate the truth of his statements by observing him and his fifteen sorcerer companions. Their superb physical and mental balance was the most obvious feature about them.

I once asked him directly why sorcerers put so much stock in the physical side of man. I had always thought that he himself was a spiritual man. Don Juan's reply was a total surprise to me.

"Shamans are not spiritual at all," don Juan said. "They are very practical beings. It is a well-known fact, however, that shamans are generally regarded as eccentric, or even insane. Perhaps that is what makes you think that they are spiritual.

"They seem insane because they are trying to explain things that cannot be adequately described with words. In the course of such futile attempts to give complete explanations that cannot be completed under any circumstances, they must touch on matters outside the coherence of the average man. So of course their explanations seem to be senseless.

"You need," he went on, "a pliable body if you want physical prowess and level headedness. These are the two most important issues in the lives of shamans because they bring forth sobriety and pragmatism; the only indispensable requisites for entering into other realms of perception.

"To navigate in a genuine way in the unknown, requires an attitude of daring, but not one of recklessness. In order to establish a balance between audacity and recklessness, a sorcerer has to be extremely sober, cautious, skillful, and in superb physical condition."

"But why in superb physical condition, don Juan?" I asked. "Is the desire or the will to journey into the unknown not enough?"

"Not in your pissy life!" he replied rather brusquely. "Just to conceive facing the unknown- much less entering into it- requires guts of steel, and a body that would be capable of holding those guts. What would be the point of being gutsy if you do not have mental alertness, physical prowess, and adequate muscles?"

The superb physical condition that don Juan had steadily advocated from the first day of our association- the product of the rigorous execution of the magical passes- was, by all indications, the first step toward the redeployment of our inherent energy. This redeployment of energy was, in don Juan's view, the most crucial issue in the lives of shamans, as well as in the life of any individual.

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"Shamans are not spiritual at all," don Juan said.

(edit: merging posts made in quick succession on same topic)

[Uncle Sam]

"Shamans are not spiritual at all," don Juan said.

[Uncle Sam]

Q: What aspirations of possible advancement should someone have who wishes to work spiritually according to the knowledge disseminated in your books? What would you recommend for those who wish to practice don Juan’s teachings by themselves?



A: There’s no way to put a limit on what one may accomplish individually if the intent is an impeccable intent. Don Juan’s teachings are not spiritual. I repeat this because the question has come to the surface over and over. The idea of spirituality doesn’t fit with the iron discipline of a warrior. The most important thing for a shaman like don Juan is the idea of pragmatism. When I met him, I believed I was a practical man, a social scientist filled with objectivity and pragmatism. He destroyed my pretensions and made me see that, as a true Western man, I was neither pragmatic nor spiritual. I came to understand that I only repeated the word “spirituality” to contrast it with the mercenary aspect of the world of everyday life. I wanted to get away from the mercantilism of everyday life and the eagerness to do this is what I called spirituality. I realized don Juan was right when he demanded that I come to a conclusion; to define what I considered spirituality. I didn’t know what I was talking about.



What I’m saying might sound presumptuous, but there’s no other way to say it. What a shaman like don Juan wants is to increase awareness, that is, to be able to perceive with all the human possibilities of perception; this implies a colossal task and an unbending purpose, which can not be replaced by the spirituality of the Western world. (CC)



https://www.cleargreen.com/interviews/f ... -castaneda

[quantumshaman]

Uncle Sam wrote:
Q: What aspirations of possible advancement should someone have who wishes to work spiritually according to the knowledge disseminated in your books? What would you recommend for those who wish to practice don Juan’s teachings by themselves?
A: There’s no way to put a limit on what one may accomplish individually if the intent is an impeccable intent. Don Juan’s teachings are not spiritual. I repeat this because the question has come to the surface over and over. The idea of spirituality doesn’t fit with the iron discipline of a warrior. The most important thing for a shaman like don Juan is the idea of pragmatism. When I met him, I believed I was a practical man, a social scientist filled with objectivity and pragmatism. He destroyed my pretensions and made me see that, as a true Western man, I was neither pragmatic nor spiritual. I came to understand that I only repeated the word “spirituality” to contrast it with the mercenary aspect of the world of everyday life. I wanted to get away from the mercantilism of everyday life and the eagerness to do this is what I called spirituality. I realized don Juan was right when he demanded that I come to a conclusion; to define what I considered spirituality. I didn’t know what I was talking about.
What I’m saying might sound presumptuous, but there’s no other way to say it. What a shaman like don Juan wants is to increase awareness, that is, to be able to perceive with all the human possibilities of perception; this implies a colossal task and an unbending purpose, which can not be replaced by the spirituality of the Western world. (CC)
https://www.cleargreen.com/interviews/f ... -castanedaAll you are doing throughout your lengthy diatribes is quoting CC the way a glazed-eyed Christian would quote the bible.  When you learn to think for yourself, you MIGHT get a clue as to what "spirituality" actually is.  But here - I'll give you a clue because I'm in a generous mood today.  Spirit-uality is the connection between man and spirit.  What is spirit?  Put simply, it is the quantifiable force which resides at the core of true intent.  Spirit is the raw anti-matter from which thoughts and ideas may be Real-ized. 
Spirituality has nothing to do with doe-eyed new age bliss ninnies dancing naked at a pow-wow, pretending to be something they aren't.  A truly spirit-ual being is the most powerful being in the universe because of the connection between intent and spirit.
And, by the way... Carlos failed in his task, by his own admission.  Why?  Because he didn't understand the teachings of don Juan - or pretended not to.  It has been speculated that in later years, particularly in interviews like the one you cited, he INTENT-ionally led seekers in the wrong direction just to see if they would follow.  If they did... and for those who continue to do so... the outcome may be grim indeed, but eagles need to eat, too.
Slather yourself with catsup and assume the position.
QS

[Uncle Sam]

some parts of Tensegrity, were taught to CC by DD and not by DJ (e.g. video III, code etc.) - and the point is that it can imbue the energy body, not everyone is on shamanistic path corresponding to those ancient entities (ancient shamans, who are certainly not compatible to new seers or modern seers), so we can say, it is dangerous for unaware practitioners and also other aspects implied in this thread. So there is caution.



This is experimental fact confirmed not only directly by both DJ/Dreamways, but many other practitioners. e.g. I have seen it recently on perfect natural dreamer, that is it not good for new seers or modern seers to mess with ancient passes. It is your problem. Personally, i would stick only to the MP book passes, thats enough, if only i wanted to follow the lines.



There is a new cycle (modern seers), and it has nothing to do with toltecs, and especially not ancients. If you practice tensegrity outside of MP book, it is your risk, DJ has warned against it.

[quantumshaman]

Uncle Sam wrote:
some parts of Tensegrity, were taught to CC by DD and not by DJ (e.g. video III, code etc.) - and the point is that it can imbue the energy body, not everyone is on shamanistic path corresponding to those ancient entities (ancient shamans, who are certainly not compatible to new seers or modern seers), so we can say, it is dangerous for unaware practitioners and also other aspects implied in this thread. So there is caution.
This is experimental fact confirmed not only directly by both DJ/Dreamways, but many other practitioners. e.g. I have seen it recently on perfect natural dreamer, that is it not good for new seers or modern seers to mess with ancient passes. It is your problem. Personally, i would stick only to the MP book passes, thats enough, if only i wanted to follow the lines.
There is a new cycle (modern seers), and it has nothing to do with toltecs, and especially not ancients. If you practice tensegrity outside of MP book, it is your risk, DJ has warned against it.Tensegrity is good exercise.  It is a good not-doing.  Beyond that... it is nothing more than a movement of the body through the space/time continuum.  You, as a self-proclaimed scientist, should know that.  You are giving it power which it does not possess.  That's okay - it's your power to give away, but you might want to think about that.
QS

[rosygyro]

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[Uncle Sam]

quantumshaman wrote:Uncle Sam wrote:
some parts of Tensegrity, were taught to CC by DD and not by DJ (e.g. video III, code etc.) - and the point is that it can imbue the energy body, not everyone is on shamanistic path corresponding to those ancient entities (ancient shamans, who are certainly not compatible to new seers or modern seers), so we can say, it is dangerous for unaware practitioners and also other aspects implied in this thread. So there is caution.
This is experimental fact confirmed not only directly by both DJ/Dreamways, but many other practitioners. e.g. I have seen it recently on perfect natural dreamer, that is it not good for new seers or modern seers to mess with ancient passes. It is your problem. Personally, i would stick only to the MP book passes, thats enough, if only i wanted to follow the lines.
There is a new cycle (modern seers), and it has nothing to do with toltecs, and especially not ancients. If you practice tensegrity outside of MP book, it is your risk, DJ has warned against it.Tensegrity is good exercise.  It is a good not-doing.  Beyond that... it is nothing more than a movement of the body through the space/time continuum. 
QS
  No, tensegrity is exactly as CC has published it in.the book Magical Passes and elsewhere (authorized material) + all the additional explanatory posts on the differences, i.e. the ancient passes outside MP book  (QS posts as ignorant about the MP book, The Wheel of Time book and Torres book, so take QS with reserve in this respect).
The fact is that it is all published in CCs materials already, this riddle (MP book, The Wheel of Time book commentaries and Torres book). So there is no deceiving just a need for explanatory propositions.