Tensegrity

[quantumshaman]

scout1 wrote:
CCs Tensegrity is a seriously dangerous practice.
Tensegrity can eat your soul..
E.g.
Don Juan advised one advanced sorcery practitioner to never do Tensegrity again as it would eat his soul (energy bodies). Thats due to its intent, origins, admixture in group practice etc.
Why are you starting up again with this?  You posted almost the same thing not very long ago, and this conversation ran its course.  If you're afraid of Tensegrity, don't do it.  Personally, I don't think it's dangerous, but I also don't think it has much if anything to do with "the path", other than maybe good exercise. So what?  Same thing as worrying about a rogue comet that may hit the earth.  Nothing you can do about it, so get over it.
And to try to claim don Juan told you so... is just an attempt to put some weight behind what is clearly nothing more than your own personal opinion.
Instead of worrying about tensegrity and flyers, what might happen if you simply dropped all your fear and stood face to face with the infinite?  I predict your view and your experience would improve a thousand-fold.

[CI5]

Tensegrity: Death Defier’s Intent



http://sorcery.yuku.com/t...er-s-Intent#.UAL1mlIs1w0





sorcery/shamanism, especially ancient sorcery is pretty dangerous

[glance left]

There's goodness in the gravy. And I mean the stuff at the bottom of the boat...way down there

[glance left]

Forget about what's dangerous.  It's already on top of us, whatever it is.  It's already IN, capice?  In here....

So, if you can't dispense with negative thoughts about Tensegrity...yeah, probably should avoid.  Otherwise, deal with things at the level of thoughts...then you'll have the space and perspective to transform that of "evil intent" into something more wholesome if you like. 
Be the ball

[rosygyro]

the dangers are in mixed diciplines.
an tensegrity practitoner who practices martial arts is a dangerous thing!
a tensegrity practitioner who has ideas about energy around DNA is a dangerous thing.
I am not a purist!

[rosygyro]

although i will say that in real life.. a "digging bar" is let go of a fraction of a second before it hits the concrete/stone.. allowing the weight of the iron to carry the force..

if you dont let go of it.. it takes the skin off your hands!

casteneda never mentioned this!

[fabs]

The person who wrote that article still practices Tensegrity. I have talked with him on many occasions and I trust him at some level and feel he can see certain things but I do not recall him having said he ever had any real encounter with the tenant, with Caroll Tiggs, nor been to the dome of Naguals....not to put his theory down, it might be valid but I don' t think it comes from direct knowledge. I have asked Tensegrity instructors about this topic on many occasions but they always ignore this topic and question.

[fabs]

fabs wrote:The person who wrote that article still practices Tensegrity. I have talked with him on many occasions and I trust him at some level and feel he can see certain things but I do not recall him having said he ever had any real encounter with the tenant, with Caroll Tiggs, nor been to the dome of Naguals....not to put his theory down, it might be valid but I don' t think it comes from direct knowledge. I have asked Tensegrity instructors about this topic but so far they have always ignored this topic and question.

[rosygyro]

mescalito has his own version of the digging bar!

[CI5]

yes, what is dangerous in when you do not exactly know what you do, especially in the power things, in the sorcery/shamanism and the consenquences thereof - especially the intent/power behind&running this.



some parts of tensegrity series seems not be the allegedly benevolent mix of taichi/qi-gong/kung-fu



but strangely some really ancient shamanic practices.. e.g. the first three videos and the code



the first three videos really look like digged from thousands of years ago, and not from "don juan", but that other indian..



gee, no big deal, still not yet really bad guy you would say, and you are right, ololol ,) btw thats pretty diabolical and dreamways is right on that. the ancient sorcerers are mainly the death defiers and the various fixations of the second attention.





a cool piece or rather artifact of ancient shamanism these particular passes, but not benign/benevolent, as to the intent, but hardcore. some ancient hardcore.



to practice the ancient sorcery (e.g. 10 000- 7 000 BC) IS hardcore, isnt it ?



there is nice thread on tensegrity on sustained reaction where the pair were doing the code, and how it messed them. and about the significant inorganic lure of tensegrity.







i.e. do the ancient passes and high chances that some wierd things will be transported to your life





THATS THE REASON why seeing this Castaneda stuff mixed with new age is such a paradox, i.e. it is really dangerous, if not directly noxious in particular cases, as it is something like sleeping and digging in the mexican pyramids.





A serious cup of tea.





Castaneda is not really new age, people think like that, and they are totally mistaken, as it is this ancient sorcery/power, a pretty dangerous thing.





this is a clear classification on what type of things is one with this stuff.

[CI5]

We had all those romantic ideas from Castanedas books, but reality is somewhere else.. in the hell

[CI5]

i have commented on the ancient artifact present in the tensegrity: whats also the reason why martial arts/kung-fu practitioners have stopped to practice tensegrity, as it is not convenient for them anymore, but this shamanism - but also the practitioners concerned with this seriousness of such tensegrity bonuses altering ones energy and/or eating the soul.. the tensegrity is not benign.



"Never the less, later he himself appeared with a series of movements that, he claimed, were the inheritance of the lineage, and that had a similar function to Tai Chi and other oriental arts. At the beginning he called them simply, “Magic Passes”, but when the thing became popular, he gave it an elegant name: Tensegrity."



otherwise:



"My personal view is that Tensegrity is composed of movements adapted from martial arts. Many of the passes that the followers of Carlos practice at this time are derivations. But the first exercises, those that he taught us directly, are basic movements from Chi Kung. I do not dare to judge Carlos. I do not know if his objective was that Tensegrity would transform into this exaggeration of movements that we are seeing in the seminars. But I remember that in one of his last public appearances, he stated that the group practices are only an initial step, before confronting the true challenge of the sorcerers. Tensegrity, he said, is designed in order to give us energy, in order to confront the really heavy things. It is something gentle, but one starts with something."



http://spiritualitydiscus...iews-and-such#reply-6933

[glance left]

Wherefore whilst thou art from whom begat who



"Mine....mine.....mine" - buncha seagulls in Finding Nemo

[rosygyro]

i suppose i am a force, broken by design.
i started out innocent then broke my third eye
i sought the void that transects scar tissue to repair the natal crack
i found the stepps of a pyramid.
riddles three.
three steps from the knees... upwards or sideways em. ee, ess tee!
tensegeity seems to me to be positions of the bodee
we have a billion choices of which way to move.
however the central drive of any decision is our intrinsic mortlity
how can any move chosen of billions even if close to tensegrity be more lie productive than descision itself?
I know you will say intent and that is the power of the words, of cult!
choose not, or choose to! desicions have power..
oneday the sorcerer ancient dead and past will be able to flick the kettle on and make a cup of tea!
LEFT phylum! RIGHT phylum.. BI-SYMMETRY..
the lungs are mirrored but not the liver.
the arms are mirrored but not the curl of the digective tract.
the legs are mirrored.. but front to back we are not the same.
diversity in action began tensegrity.
today we seek union in the language of machines.
why draw p[ower "FROM" the new age when all could move were it not for esotericity?

[rosygyro]

799 is the coolest numer in the fucking world man!

[rosygyro]

grate stuff

[delawaredan]

rosyqyro - I was at 799 posts yesterday and the thought of the number for an extended period of time without knowing why. It does seem like a powerful number.

[CI5]

motto: "Dont do it, it will eat your soul (energy body)" - this reffered tensegrity structure



Fabs:



"This phenomenon only happens when there are large numbers of sorcerers, it creates an energetic tension between them which acts to support them, a "tensegrity" if you will. "



http://nagual.yuku.com/re...nned-by-Lujan#reply-3771



I don't totally understand what DJ told me about it, but he showed me that it was like the feathers on a peacock's tail, where the colorful orbs are the sorcerers and shafts of the feathers are the energy that would connect all these sorcerers into a sort of network. This phenomenon only happens when there are large numbers of sorcerers, it creates an energetic tension between them which acts to support them, a "tensegrity" if you will. Castaneda was attempting to create such a phenomenon, but he had too much Death Defier influence in him to pull it off properly. DJ told me that Carlos believed that he could be "good and evil at the same time." When I think of what could have been, it is very sad to ponder how it all turned out. In a way, I want the same thing that Castaneda wanted, to create a "mass of energy" of sorceric awareness, but I think it will take generations to pull it off, it won't be something to accomplish within the space of a few years like he tried to do. I'm not saying he couldn't have succeeded, it is just that the shortcut he was taking was a Death Defier method, not something that Don Juan advised.

[CI5]

The fire from within is utilized via agglutinating force, the essential force. This force can be grasped on, and there is no direct connection with any movements per se to be used. It is only focused awareness and intent on this force.

[CI5]

Rosy: i have an additional exact explanation (next to the sledgehammer one) why the martial arts practitioners as well you abandoned tensegrity:



it is because it is an erroneous idea use it for general well being, but tensegrity is only for the (hardcore) shamanic uses (e.g. stopping the world, fixing a dreaming AP position). there are other normal exercises for well being and replenishing energy.



tensegrity is not normal.

[glance left]

Why conclude? Why fixate? What has that got to do with what's right in front of us?



Diversion from the task at hand...from your state of presence withinin the only "thing" that's "real". It's the diversion that's "not normal". All these thoughts and considerations which wisk away into dispersive notions and associations. That's "not normal". It's not relevant.



Territorial debate in the land of ideas. A waste land, who wants it? What are you gonna do with it if you win? A waste.



Your perspective is transitory....without ultimate reference point. So is mine. They are positions floating in an endless sea of positions. So its silly to stick a flag in the mud and call it anything for sure by comparison.

[CI5]

Glance: in nagualism, we are asking.. where is this stream of energy leading us.. thats the question. thats our individual karma=energetic action, as all is energy + intent forming it.



and also. the "color" (colour) of energy. hm. if this is a black energy in/to effect, no bueno !



so the (ontogical) question is: where is this (energetic) path leading me ?



and more importantly: is it free ? is it leading to freedom ? isnt there a trap of energetic/power/intent origin ?



to what a world is leading this ?





and most importantly: WHERE I AM GRAVITING WITH MY ENERGY AND MY INTENT ? (my energetic/intent action=karma)



i am so scrupulous because of the effect after death of physical body especially, the generated energy/karma + intent rules it and intent is running it.



this is our problem.

[CI5]

and most importantly: WHERE I AM GRAVITATING WITH MY ENERGY AND MY INTENT ? (my energetic/intent action=karma)

[CI5]

I think all that fanciful guys doing "Tensegrity" are rigged up in that to a heavily serious extent !



in fact, when i have seen them last time (long years tensegrity practitioners guys).. what i can say... shamanism. it is like to see a man in wilderness 15 000 years ago, i.e. "energy trackers".



well then: tensegrity is an ancient toltec sorcery/shamanism.

[CI5]

consider this letter (carefully).. havent they problem, have they ? in regard to the reffered sorceric "tensegrity" group structure (by Dreamways) above.





Letter from Bob



Dear Tensegrity Practitioners,





What a strange paradox! Every warrior on the path of knowledge thinks, at one time or another, that he's learning sorcery, but all he's doing is allowing himself to be convinced of the power hidden in his being, and that he can reach it.

Carlos Castaneda



My name is Robert Savery and I have been practicing Tensegrity since 1994. For most of those years I have been a representative of Cleargreen and an instructor of Magical Passes. It is from my heart and with immeasurable gratitude and affection that I disagree with the path that Cleargreen has chosen to take. In my view Cleargreen Inc. today no longer serves the mass of practitioners, so I am resigning from representing it.

I did not want to be the one to write this letter, or to give up my cherished position as a Cleargreen instructor. I could easily sit by and let things take their course, but in the silence I hear a clear purpose and the intent of the Nagual.



Many of my cohorts agree that in the last few years there has been a struggle for control and power that is so far from where we all want to be, from where we all have been dreaming to be. Laugan productions and Cleargreen Inc. have been hiring lawyers and copywriting under their name all the workshop materials from the last 13 years that have been co-created amongst many of us. Inside Cleargreen we have become a hierarchy with a corporate view of money and power that is ready to bring a lawsuit on anyone who stands in the way. I can promise you that Carlos Castaneda would have closed Cleargeen offices years ago.



I am very thankful that Cleargreen has served the amazing purpose of co-guiding the teachings of the students of Don Juan and helping to create a mass of loving, sober and very awake practitioners all around the world. Carlos Castaneda left behind the dream of a mass of practitioners, in a structure of Tensegrity, which by definition is a system that functions through interdependence and not hierarchy. In my view, Cleargreen has lost sight of the power and inherent wisdom of the mass of practitioners to co-create how the teachings of the Nagual are navigated. In this parting of the ways, there is in fact deep disagreement of this relationship of Cleargreen and practitioners, where Cleargreen views practitioners more as corporate clients rather than equal members of the Tensegrity structure.





There is a naturally growing movement among the practitioners of the world to self organize low cost events where they can invite any instructor they wish. It is very likely, judging from previous events like One Earth, that Cleargreen will not support this natural organic organization of practitioners, and that one way they will combat it is through offering some practitioner organizers positions in the hierarchy in order to gain their support of Cleargreen, as it is now being set-up. I see the current approach of Cleargreen to be one of power concentrated in two or three people who believe that they alone have the final word on how the teachings of the Nagual and this path of knowledge should be shared. In spite of this, it is my hope and trust that the power and intent of the current vibrating force in the Tensegrity community will hold strong as it takes this next step into becoming its own nature; that each of us in this powerful mass of practitioners will not give up this dream and will claim what is ours.



Carlos Castaneda said many times that we do not have a Don Juan Matus to move our assemblage point, but we have the mass of practitioners, and that IS the Nagual. He said many times that he did not want us to follow a leader but to follow Intent. He also said that the mass of practitioners creates an "energetic platform" of heightened awareness. "There are no advanced practitioners - only action." We are ready and the time is now! No one holds the key to our salvation.





It was my hope that the maneuvers of Cleargreen Inc. and Laugan Productions to shift the internal structure of Cleargreen, including cutting themselves off from Miles and Aerin, was not from self-interest, and that my beloved cohorts would see their folly. My understanding of their current view is that the teachings of the Nagual, and all of the tracking and gathering of knowledge for the last 13 years is theirs to copyright and have control over its future course. Even the direct apprentices of Carlos Castaneda are being threatened by lawsuits if they try to teach what they were given. Are you kidding me?! I can only speak for myself, but I know that this concern is shared by other direct apprentices, previous Tensegrity instructors, and many long time practitioners. We are volunteers that have given our hearts and creativity to this path that belongs to all of us.



A year ago I moved back from Los Angeles to Hawaii, and it is here that I have had a chance to step back in this land of Aloha and get a new view; one that you are reading here. My heart is with you all and I feel that we will soon gather together as a vibrating mass of awareness. As the Nagual reminded us over and over, "We are beings that are going to die" and as such we can each trust the voice of the seer within to guide us as individuals, and as an energetic structure bound together by the immense affection we have for each other.



Onward,



Bob