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Sidarthur Prospero wrote:
From what I have read of your writings I would say you are a lot more like Silvio Manuel than you are like don Juan.
That is not a compliment, Joker.
I'm not like him... I'm not like any known nagual (thank God!), but he still is one of the best of that line. I can't say that I
admire any of them, yet there is truth in their path, so I like them.
As for compliments... do you give them at all?
PS: I consider you a good warrior. If I were you I would be doing a lot of other things. Really... you can give far better use to your time, don't you
think?
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Since you have started using that Joker avatar I have lost much of my respect for you. I would NEVER sport such an avatar. It says a lot
about you.
That is not a compliment.
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Sidarthur Prospero wrote:
Since you have started using that Joker avatar I have lost much of my respect for you. I would NEVER sport such an avatar. It says a lot
about you.
That is not a compliment.
Ahh! You respected me offering me ****? Who knew...
Well... that didn't put a smile in that face. I love the sentence... suffering does change you. Still... you should know better. Appearances can be
deceiving.
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"Don Juan saved the lessons of love and appreciation for the Earth until the end. It should have been the first lesson upon while all
other lessons that he taught had their base and axis."
Yeah, or Carlos did.
" Alas, I believe don Juan's main job was to be a 'pimp' for his "ally" forces who were determined for replacements. Don Juan was
'tricked' by them into thinking they would let him go free."
Again it might just have been Carlos. I see evidence that Don Juan tried to steer Carlos away from drugs and allies.
Just my take though. We will never really know.
"It is my belief that don Juan, and his sorcerers, did not deserve the 'eternal rewards' they were hoping to gain from their coveted
"freedom"."
It is my belief that none of us deserve rewards. Thank God for grace.
We are a fucked up lot from the get go. Normal human beings and sorcerers and whoever else.
All of our efforts go to open our eyes to this fact. The Truth makes itself known when we begin to realize this.
But that's just my take on it.
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I could be wrong, but I believe that when don Juan taught not to take those "ally" forces that was when it was decided that his
line was to end. He was supposed to be pimping for them and he apparently changed his mind.
That's my take on the situation.
I threw the bulk of all my Castaneda books in the garbage and don't miss them. I no longer need them. I now have better books
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Bob May wrote:
It is my belief that none of us deserve rewards. Thank God for grace.
We are a fucked up lot from the get go.
I agree. Even though nagualism is a path with heart, probably one of the few, man's heart is dark, and it cannot change that fact. It is our soul that is
good, not any other part of us.
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dreamways wrote:
Bob May wrote:
It is my belief that none of us deserve rewards. Thank God for grace.
We are a fucked up lot from the get go.
I agree. Even though nagualism is a path with heart, probably one of the few, man's heart is dark, and it cannot change that fact. It is our soul that is
good, not any other part of us.
Bob May wrote:
"It is my belief that none of us deserve rewards. Thank God for grace.
We are a fucked up lot from the get go."
MY RESPONSE:
You are obviously too clueless to realize that you insult your creator when you write this, Bob. God creates masterpieces. He is Ultimate Genius and cannot
help but create masterpieces. When you insult the Creation you insult the Creator. I suggest you keep this hard-learned lesson in mind: 'If you want good
things from The Creator don't insult His Creation.'
You people speak for yourselves, not for me. You like to hide behind what "man" supposedly is. I cannot speak for "man", but I can speak
for myself. I am now a better person than I have ever been and intend to continue to become more grateful and appreciative as the years unfold. So, I
congratulate myself for my progress and downplay the rest. It is to my advantage to focus my full intent upon what I want more of to manifest into my life
experience. If you want to focus on the darkness within you that is YOUR tough luck, not mine. I could do that, but what good would it do me? Nothing worth
mentioning.
Here's a general clue for you clueless:
If you are becoming increasingly grateful and appreciative for all the wonderful things in your lives you are headed in the correct direction for
eternal rewards
If you are becoming increasingly ungrateful and unappreciative of your life you are headed in the direction of eternal misery
Negatively judging the creation and oneself is self-defeating. It leads to a lack of appreciation and we all now know where that leads, right?
Of course, with the Spirit there are indeed exceptions to this general guideline
I'd be one heck of a pathetic loser if I desperately needed you people to congratulate me for ANYTHING!
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My opinion is that we may do good and receive rewards, do bad and receive punishment or do our "divine duty" selflessly and be free.
God will prefer the later, but will also accept the other options.
Evolution takes a long time.
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Sidarthur Prospero wrote:
I congratulate myself...
You'd be the first and last.
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Look deeply into this subject!
Is there anytime that Don Juan teaches to show gratitude? Oh yes there is. Why is that done - because a warrior can only marvel the magnificent creation and
dive into in this very now. This is wonderful!
As for Silvio is he not just a perfect servant of Spirit? How did he arrive to be that???
(And yes he sounds sooo cool in the decription - no wonder that people like to identify with him...)
Anybody here ever felt the magic of being with out thoughts and feelings?
Was there pain involved in letting all that self identification go?
I can't stop to reflect over one simple thing - are we joined together here or are we separate?
he he he... lots of ??
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Sidarthur--wrote--- Click on my registered name and follow: A Path With Heart
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I will converse with you there.
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Bob May wrote:
It is my belief that none of us deserve rewards. Thank God for grace.
We are a fucked up lot from the get go.
"You are obviously too clueless to realize that you insult your creator when you write this, Bob. God creates masterpieces. He is Ultimate Genius and
cannot help but create masterpieces."
So, you agree with me. God created me as a master piece and I fucked it all up.
I rest my case.
"Of course, with the Spirit there are indeed exceptions to this general guideline"
Like I said, "thank God for Grace."
Isn't that the same thing you are saying? Grace means a gift. It also means influence from God.
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Silvio didn't indulge, didn't have wantings and obeyed the commands of the spirit... that's pretty much his secret. Impeccable.
He was one with the intent of the Spirit... literally. He could take any form he wanted... but didn't want to take any form!
I felt that Mornings, some time ago. No pain involved.
Here we are both together and separate.
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The fact is that we do not know that much of Silvio Manual except that he was a master of intent and like Dreamways stated he was just a member of Don
Juan's party of warriors and not a "Nagual". His feature to be permanetly in the left side of awareness was his fate, other than that he was just
a warrior. Intent in the arena of being a warrior is the key when dealing with the world of energy, thats why he was so important. Its as simple as that.
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ARNWAY wrote:
His feature to be permanetly in the left side of awareness was his fate, other than that he was just a warrior.
It wasn't his fate, it was his conquest! ANY warrior could achieve
that. Saying that it was his fate is suggesting that he didn't do a thing to earn it. He didn't ***, he didn't indulge in any way, he obeyed the
commands of the spirit. You call that fate? That is excelling in warriorship! He gave up a lot to take his practice to that level!
Don Juan didn't, Genaro didn't.
Don Juan was the nagual chosen by Julian, but he depended of omens and signs to know what to do. Silvio didn't. He recieved all the indications directly
from the Spirit. For better or worst, he wasn't the nagual, but he was (again, in Don Juan words)
"The most powerful and dangerous".
You call that "just a warrior" ??
If he was open in half and had his nagual pulled out, we don't know.
Anyway, specialization is a sad tendency of the nagual path. Warriors should be proefficient in all the ways of the path, not just one.
Sidarthur Prospero wrote:
You make your statements as though the Castaneda series is your only 'holy bible'. If it's in the Castaneda books then it
automatically must be true, right? So if it says that the Spirit takes no volunteers that must be true, right?
Wrong! But that much is about right. If you are a volunteer you are not viable, mainly because at some point in the path volunteers will not want
to go further. They are more for the tonal than for the Spirit. You are either viable or not. Cults-of-volunteers are a spiritual dead-end. It's a symptom
of how very unprofound is the cult and how very little they know about the overall spiritual path.
If you are not viable you CAN become viable by sustained efforts and several trials, but it's an exception of the rule.
Don Juan and that particular line of Naguals NEVER took volunteers. Most (if not all) real Masters
don't. Power is a serious affair. Teaching to anyone that happens to walk by produces aberrated tonals and endangers the unviable person and his social
context.
Black seers (of every single tradition of earth) are mostly unviable individuals with knowledge. Some are viable but with exaggerated tonal ambitions. Instead
of using the knowledge for spiritual purposes, they use it to get ahead in the tonal world and/or harm others.
That is why there are teachings for every level of being. The problem comes when a soul in spiritual kinder-garden learns "university level"
teachings.
It's like giving a Tommy Gun to a monkey.
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Oh yes. Don Juan talked about always giving 'tokens ' to people in one's dealings with them. This occurred when he was teaching Carlos about
Tonals. DJ gave money to a group of country Indians they met. (From the 'Eagle's Gift' , I believe)
In fact , this is the very reason I began the thread Saying Thank You.
I would speculate that this is a way of storing energy , as well as establishing a Stalking presence.
Carlos was also made to go to extreme lengths to show gratitude to 2 women he was once close to.
Personally , I find this to be a difficult habit to acquire , although I have often been the receiver of such tokens.
A warrior stalks his weaknesses, I bet.
Note: when I was following the path of God, I accepted the premise that God has no idea or thought of evil or imperfection. Impeccability!
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How do you know that Silvio did not have sex? Silvio was stuck in the left side of awareness but how do you know if that was by choice? You say it was his
conquest but you don't know for certain. Nagual Julian fucked many, many women and he is the one that choosen Silvio to be apart of Juan Matus party of
warriors. Silvio was the most powerful only because he was a "master and one with intent".
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ARNWAY wrote:
How do you know that Silvio did not have sex? Silvio was stuck in the left side of awareness but how do you know if that was by choice? You say it was his
conquest but you don't know for certain. Silvio was the most powerful only because he was a "master and one with intent".
One: It is writen in the books: Silvio Manuel was the only one that took the Nagual Julian's recommendation (not fucking) seriously. When
Elias showed the Spirit to them, they all died, except Silvio Manuel. Since the very beginning he
took all the instructions to the letter, so it's very unlikely that he fucked much over the course of his life.
Two: Staying in permanent walking heightened awareness is a matter of energy and intent. To be One with the Intent of the Spirit you need an enormous amount
of energy... not only sexual, vital energy and personal power, but psychic energy.
No other nagual achieved that... why do you think that is? Silvio wasn't indulgent at all and had very little self-importance. Other naguals indulged in extravagant behaviours,
adventures and actions. He didn't.
To be "One with the Intent of the Spirit" is not the average sorcery maneuver, but one of the highest of them. I don't remember any other
master-shaman of this line doing something like that.
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Silvio was stuck in permanetly in the left side of awareness and how do you that it was by choice because it could have been that once he reached the left side
of awareness he may not have had the choice to go back to the right side of awareness? I personally have been in the left side of awareness countless times and
the draw back is funtioning in normal society- like working at a job to make a living. My quess is that d.J. and associates had to pay his way to live. Bottom
line is that we only know a little about Silvio and the rest is all speculation.
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ARNWAY wrote:
Silvio was stuck in permanetly in the left side of awareness and how do you that it was by choice because it could have been that once he reached the left
side of awareness he may not have had the choice to go back to the right side of awareness? I personally have been in the left side of awareness countless
times and the draw back is funtioning in normal society- like working at a job to make a living. My quess is that d.J. and associates had to pay his way to
live. Bottom line is that we only know a little about Silvio and the rest is all speculation.
For one thing, he wasn't a useless vegetable living in a permanent trance-state with someone feeding him and cleaning him up. He was a
functioning, walking, living nagual.
For two things, being in "left side awareness" (in the many, many positions of the AP) is not being One with the Intent of the Spirit (a very
particular position of the AP).
He was the only known nagual-master-shaman that achieved that, but all of them had "left side awareness".
We may not know enough about Silvio Manuel, but of his achievement we know plenty.
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Grandspeculator you are talking out of your ass because you know no more than me about him and for you to assume all this is all speculation. I have reached
the states of awareness to some degree like Silvio but the fact is GS is that he was no nagual and if it was not for the nagual Julian he would be just a
normal person most likely and this is speculation. You talk as if it is factual and this is were you are wrong.
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Again shifting below the navel? Fine... whatever.
Addendum: My ass has good points, you should hear it more often.
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Silvio was the master of masters but held it by dreaming with allies.
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Silvio was the master of masters but held it by dreaming with allies.
Hey Wolf please tell some more on this subject.
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Silvio was brought to his left side of awareness and was permanently fixated at that position because this was the bent of his character that was that position
of that AP is his beings configuration to begin with and I know this because of people that I run into that I "SEE" the configuration of there makeup
of there energy body and if it was not for the "Nagual Julian" he would not be the force that he became, bottom line is that he needed to come in
contact with an nagual that set him on his path otherwise he would have had a different life or objective with "INTENT".
GS. I don't want to start slinging mud at each other but you don't know with conviction unless you are a warrior that "SEE'S",
------------------------------------------------------ Are you a warrior?-----------------------------You said that you did not want to talk about it because
it was no body's business since you have such a strong opinion I think you are obligated to state your progress of your warrior ship because your words
mean nothing if you are just word dropping or the (term talking the talk compared to walking the walk), you get pissed off at me in the past for checking you
on your knowledge and I get the impression that you are just spamming this site with "BOOK"knowledge and not from a warriors point of view.
Prove me otherwise please if you can?
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