Which Carlos Castaneda, and who is "La Aguila"?

[Abramelinn]

From www.elgins.com/WensjoeMiller.html

Elgin Net
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WENSJOE MILLER FAMILY OF PERU
(as submitted by Mnica Muoz Najar Wensjoe 1/31/04

NAME: Daysi Cecilia WENSJOE MILLER
BORN: 22 MAY 1932 AT: Trujillo, Per
MARRIED: 1960 AT: Lima, Per
SPOUSES: Carlos CASTAEDA Peruvian
CHILDREN: Carlos Enrique, Daysi Cecilia, Marisol CASTAEDA WENSJOE
NOTE : Her twin died newly born

>>>Carlos had already married Margaret Runyan (or did she come second that year?), and met don Juan for the first time in that same year, 1960.
!!EDIT:
! EDIT: Actually, after reading the Archives of Sustained Action (Chronologies), if this is the same Carlos Castaneda, it must have happened much later in 1960 for he had married Margaret in the beginning of that year and lived with Margaret for about half a year.
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From www.lmtonline.com/locator.../july.html
"La Aguila was a brujo. In Califas he was interviewed a lot by a guy named Carlos Castaneda who wrote some books about brujos and brujas. I don't know how many people out there knew him but La Aguila was a scary bato."
Buddy
San Antonio, USA - Friday, July 20, 2001 at 09:32:40 (CDT)

>>> If this is true, who is this Aguila from Califas ??

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Thanks for the post Abe..any thing come up on this?

[Abramelin]

No LW, nada.
I posted something in that "Reminiscent Room" (see second link), but either it was deleted or I did something wrong, but I cannot find my post anymore. I only asked if anyone could tell me more about this "La Aguila" from California (=Califas) while referring to that post of "Buddy".
Here's where I posted:
www.lmtonline.com/locator...ybook.html
What seems strange is that this 'Buddy' is responding to someone, but I cannot find a post of someone else that could be the cause of Buddy's reaction. However, they were talking about some owl, and someone said that according to local superstitions that kind of owl is actually a 'brujo'. Besides that there was also some talk about seeing auras and fortune-tellers.
I also checked the entries during june 2001, but again found nothing.
Abe.

[SSilhouette]

when my mother's first cousin died a decade or so ago, they found out that he had wives and families in more than one State simultaneously.
He was a very salt-of-the-earth midwestern christian type. It blew everyone away in her family.
It happens. It gets tiresome when people argue the validity of the rest of the man's life based on his indescretions alone.
This cousin of my mom's was very good to his wives and children; providing for all that he took on financially and otherwise. So was he an evil man? Or was he just a man prone to all the good and bad inherant in all of us?

[Abramelin]

Dunno why you made this post, SShilhouette, but I wasn't judging Castaneda's private life. I'm only trying to find out more about this guy, things others might have missed.
Suppose the Carlos Castaneda in the first post is the same as the one we're all talking about, wouldn't it be interesting to hear something from the woman he married in Lima in 1960, if she's still alive?
Her story might merely add to the picture or change it entirely.
Abe.

[SSilhouette]

Yeah, it would be interesting. But pretending not to know why I have a hair-trigger about people using his tonalic private life as means to debunk his works in total, is not like you Abe. Surely you remember the endless attempts to do so at Sus-stained Rebuke-tion?
To take you at face value, I will say that to find a living relative of his and get an interview would be amusing. But if I were dead and people got ahold of old associates of mine that I've since broken off from leaving 20 years behind us, they would get a very incomplete picture of who I am today and what the significance is to what I'm now doing.
The best reference we can get is from his rather volumnic autobiography. I've asserted this over and over: for his works to be works of fiction, he would go down in history as one of the most illustrative fictional authors. Since in most other respects the man seems unremarkable, I'm putting my money on it being simply a lengthy and winding regurgitation of actual events in his life; with about as much fictional content as any autobiography on the shelves today.
Hearing from one of his old bedbuddies and then using her experience with him as some sort of anchor is useless. Especially in light of his obvious transformation; even if as a fictional writer, if it were proven so, from his early works to his later. Still, it might prove valuable if only as a reference point from which he grew onward.

[Abramelin]

You're full of assumptions of what might happen IF this guy is the same Castaneda of the books. You think you know, but, excuse me, you don't know shjt.
Let me give you one of MY fantasies about what MIGHT happen: this woman might not only tell us about his bedmanners and how much he liked to pick his nose, and that he went abroad for months, sometimes even years and that he finally never returned, she might also tell us that he used to tell stories about him meeting a really fascinating guy - let's say "La Aguila" - on a regular basis.
Small chance, yes, but that's a fantasy too and I don't give a rat's a$$ about your concerns about the woman telling us things you're not interested in or things that might damage his reputation. What I'm interested in is clues, sources, info that could explain what we don't know or don't understand.
You're suspicious about my motives, but that's your problem, not mine.
If you knew a bit of my history on SR and Nagual Net you'd understand how wrong you are.
Abe.

[SSilhouette]

I'd love to hear everything she has to say Abe. I'm not suspicious of the old "let's dig all the dirt we can on Castaneda"routine; merely tired of it.
I still think the info will show that he was a man. And to that end I'll not likely be surprised. I guess it would be equally interesting to study the illicit affairs that Albert Einstein supposedly had; or the type of lentils that Plato enjoyed.
Yes, if she could corroborate reports of Castaneda visiting an old sorcerer, that would be fun; but not enlightening either way. She of course is as reliable a source of information as Castaneda. It would be a live woman's word against a dead man's. For what that would be worth.
And the whole exercise would be one properly set in the First Attention: an area that interests me less and less as the years go by. My situation demands that I reference the world from the Second Attention. I still find myself flirting around with the First Attention. It is only flirting though and not a serious affair anymore..

[LillyMist]

The point is SSSSssss if you don't like it, don't read all about it.
hmph!

[SSilhouette]

The point is Lilly-liver, (since you like to pun on names) is that I would love to read about it, but not use it as a basis of Understanding, with a capital "U".
See? Personal history is meaningless in the instance of surveying what a warrior does. I think it's important not to get caught up minutia. I guess it's a habit of mine I'd like to see broken, and broken in others as well. Just like visiting these websites and hashing out over and over what I already know.
It's the black magician's slight of hand: Distract with minutia to divert the attention away from the magic.

[Abramelin]

that you don't know what you're talking about.
You're full of judgments, but what are you actually judging, eh?
Trivia, minutia, first attention stuff, black magicians slight of hand. Yeah, I think I got it...
...it's like calling people names ("hey, SHE started it!") and judging as a pre-emptive strike against imagined enemies of the "true faith"?
You can relax: I haven't found anything yet about "La Aguila" or that woman in Lima.

Abe.

[SSilhouette]

Let us know. I'll be on the edge of my seat to hear the zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........oops. You know, the whole enchilada.

[HerbaMatey]

Some person here is totally stuck in their heads....

[SSilhouette]

Yep, I'm a psycho **** with no weight to what I'm saying except the demented ramblings of a madwoman.
Back to the subject. Have you found info on this other woman yet to post here Abe? Looking forward to reading it, for real.

[HerbaMatey]

LoL
I thought(in my head) that you might think I meant you, but really Abe is the [dude]guy all stuck in his head. I wonder if this insinuation means I am all stuck in my body....
SS on the other hand has two bodies so could really only be stuck in one head at any given time.

[Abramelin]

You know Herb, there's difference between being stuck in your head, and using what's inside it once in a while.
And SSil, to answer your last question....eh........I already did answer that one. Do not only use what's inside your head, but try to use those thingies that are directly connected to what's inside your head. They call them "eyes".
Abe.

[LillyMist]

[HerbaMatey]

Yes Abe, you are right. What is left for you to do is to maybe demonstrate the difference.
You can use the head all you want and still be stuck in it.
Not that I'm any better off, all stuck in my body....

[koomw]

Yes
some body moves
head moves in circles
body does weird things
i let them sleep

[HerbaMatey]

*** you wakes the baby up.

[koomw]

*** you back to sleep?

[HerbaMatey]

yea that works too

[koomw]

sometimes you're so silly
i love you

[Abramelin]

Hmmm........perhaps I should ask you why you think I'm stuck in my head?
Abe.

[koomw]

perhaps