Battle of the Naguals

[Pixie Dust]

When two naguals go head to head, this is a comedic summary of those exchanges.  Ultimately, you can't go on fighting directly, things turn to indirect fighting with pawns re-positioned.  Mastering awareness is the deliberate alignment and shifting of the AP to manifest intent.  It's not what is done to us, it is how we transform what is done to us.  Even in a dance with the opposition are we gifted with experience (XP points).  Sometimes the greatest gift we receive in our lifetime is to find our nemesis.  The thing that causes us to crumble is often the thing that allows us to rise.  Glance mentioned this oddity in another thread and what a fascinating consideration that our greatest weakness can also be our greatest strength.  We are not one or the other, we are both.  

Here's the fantastical battle symbolized in the form of dance:

It begins at 1:40.

[serloco]

I had a spirit who I fought for many years. This spirit would take the form of powerful masters and torture me and torment me endlessly. I, in the beginning, had formed this spirit, and given it great power.  Sadly he turned on me and we began fighting. In the beginning it was over jealousy as he wanted my allies. I had the forms of many sexy and fabulous women on my side. I still do however in this battle some of them turned to him. It really showed me who was loyal. Anyways just recently I have finally won. Years of abuse has ended and my mind is stable, healthy and excellent again.

[serloco]

[Pixie Dust]

It's very nice to hear how well you're doing.  One of the most efficient ways of learning of loyalty is to test it.  When we crumble, who reaches their arm into our dungeon.  Who takes a stance to fight on our behalf.  Who doesn't have to say a single god damn word to us, but instead jumps into hell, recovers our lost soul, and unceremoniously returns it to the land of the living?  

Those are your groupies  

You mind me of the sort of relationship Drake has with Nicki.  Respectful, but open-minded.

[serloco]

Oh when I went thru hell I had many fighting by my side. I watched as my friends died and I had to resurrect them again and again. Finally I had to make a choice.. I sent them to safety, and let them find peace while I took on the enemies on my own.

[serloco]

[Pixie Dust]

Yeah--there are times when I tried to fight the enemies of others and that recently didn't work out well with one person.  But then I fought the enemy of a different friend and that worked out fantastic!   

It's so difficult to tell who's big enough to fight and who I need to run from.  There aren't many who can lay me out but man, did I recently get laid out.  What a rush!  Good for you for fighting your own enemies  It would be nice if people did that, but sometimes we need someone to believe in us before we believe in us; I don't know why we're weird like that.

I love your subtlety and your hidden messages are appreciated.  I feel you.

[serloco]

[rosygyro]

I just want to go right ahead and say the manta ray penis is celibate,

[rosygyro]

rosygyro wrote:
I just want to go right ahead and say the manta ray penis is celibate,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfTfPDghTgk

[watergaze]

rosy, what does that have to do with the topic?

[rosygyro]

watergaze wrote:
rosy, what does that have to do with the topic?

Naguals fall into predilections of energy as per the four quarters of power.

An "untrained" nagual is rather like a "powerbleed"
that is to say that nagual men are sources of incredible power
and that the untrained of these have less regulation of that power into the usefull.

For instance there is a type of nagual man who i refer to as "existing on the slit vein" of the 
human assemblage point. These men are untrained but have the innate ability to orient "with" power.
In the case of the slit vein nagual, they exist within the portion of power which ordinary man is wasting.
nagual men make use of unused power and although it can be as amazig as using untapped intelligence to make dynamic pragmatic decisions in the boardroom.. it can also be gleaning life from the fountain of wasted life of those who commit suicide. can be as morbid as the distortion of newly soul severed limbo minds.

Nagual men aside from levels of training afficiencey or the sliding scale of good to bad natured also are split between the four quarters of power
easterly, southerly, northerly and westerly
I myself am an easteryl (CENSORED)/

The four quarters, unlike the slit vein are not part of the energetic loss of the habitual assemblage point
but actually precede and excede all corporeal life.

accross this boundary between nagual men there is very little that can flow.

relevence sometimes has no hold on what is appropriate.
the surface mind and the habitual assemblage point are the seat of logical conditioning.
there may be an energetic reason for the mantaray penis.
something unbackable uppable by sensible sequence/

[rosygyro]

that is to say that nagual men who are in battle or even as preffered, intelligent co-operation
are better seen as relative to the quarters of power exo-corporeal.
This is in the case of Nagual of different quarters engaged in co-operation.
perhaps even avoiding all componants of lateral will as found in sociality.
something the www offers as mystery/
if to nagual of the same quarter are engaged in intelligent co-operation then the vison of them in exocorporeality is skewed.. as the vantage point or observer position is
not reflecting the whole model.

[rosygyro]

i worked 62 hours between monday and friday  this week, and when i look in the mirror i have bags
under my eyes that wernt there before.
i wonder if i can support vanity anymore
wether my look has anything to do with the materialisation of my intent.

[rosygyro]

As for the slit vein,
Both myself and Serloco can appreciate that
the insanity of teaching via the inorganic realms is insanity or death
for the majority who walk the path.
That our very roots are apon the slit vein by virtue of how many of our spiritual comrades
have fallen along the way.
Training of these naguals in the case of standing ones ground
is a type of embodyment within limbo
of the lives wasted, defeated by warriorship.
but unlike the deforming and evil power of necromancy
which mutates the limbo souls through polarity and seperatist will
the nagual embody the spirit where the body no longer can.

[watergaze]

still do not get the manta ray. Is it like the being defeated by warriorship then? And why focus on its penis? Plus I doubt the manta ray is celibate as there is no reason for a normal manta ray to be celibate . Just saying... But it might be a manta ray celibate warrior... stranger things have happened

rosy, when you say there may be an energetic reason for the Manta Ray's penis you I suppose do not mean reproduction. Well, there might be a reason for penises other than reproduction. Since female reproductive organs do not only have the primary function of reproducing. 

Would you not say that naguals encompass all directions? But maybe they do have a predisposition or natural inclination to one more than the other. Or have used/utilized/been in some more than others.

I do not understand what you mean by "across this boundary between nagual men there is very little that can flow."
Are you saying that nagual men of the same quarter should not together?

[glance left]

"I worked 62 hours between monday and friday  this week, and when i look in the mirror i have bags
under my eyes that wernt there before.
i wonder if i can support vanity anymore
wether my look has anything to do with the materialisation of my intent"


"the nagual embody the spirit where the body no longer can"

This, to me, represents a key which can be extrapolated and applied to any 1st attention/2nd attention situation, whether one is a nagual or not.   It's a kind of forbearance (as you call it) that defers to a truth beneath what is seen/experienced...beneath what perennially shifts and changes....between heaven and hell.

btw Rosy, thanks for the recent education in dreaming on the counterpoint between "paradise" and hell...the folly of unilaterally pursuing 2nd attention paradise.  Quite the shocking eye opener

[rosygyro]

watergaze wrote:
still do not get the manta ray. Is it like the being defeated by warriorship then? And why focus on its penis? Plus I doubt the manta ray is celibate as there is no reason for a normal manta ray to be celibate . Just saying... But it might be a manta ray celibate warrior... stranger things have happened

rosy, when you say there may be an energetic reason for the Manta Ray's penis you I suppose do not mean reproduction. Well, there might be a reason for penises other than reproduction. Since female reproductive organs do not only have the primary function of reproducing. 

Would you not say that naguals encompass all directions? But maybe they do have a predisposition or natural inclination to one more than the other. Or have used/utilized/been in some more than others.

I do not understand what you mean by "across this boundary between nagual men there is very little that can flow."
Are you saying that nagual men of the same quarter should not together?

being a great believer in energetic freedom and forebearance i SEE that all man does is imbued with the habitual of the collective.
we only have to do a human action and ten seconds later some ghost will walk in our shoes and obliterate the life that was once present.
I find the "following human habitual" to be inescapable
no matter how much fluidity i have in the "present" it will eventually in MEST of the sorcerers world become another part of the ghost and its habitual.
the heart beats once and before it beats a second time the ghost of a million expectant souls has pre-empted the next.

Sexually i find the same issue..
and so find myself torn between withdrawel and the necrotic open hole it leaves in a planetary kadaver..
and leaving it in like a barb while my body wonders elswhere such as the shop.

this twixt , this horrible dead following, dead expectant vessel..
eugghhhh.

[rosygyro]

on the subject of ghosts
we are all familiar with the excorcism of ghosts from haunted houses or crossroads, 
on the subject of the heart
we are untrained in the accumulated ghost of generic effects in the tonal.
the unseen inner ghost that has marked every human life lost since the day we were born.
the genus ghost as found within us..
or the madenningly deemed "foreign installation".

[glance left]

DJ said that the only purpose of a nagual, in terms of training another, is for emphasis.  Question is, what's being emphasized?

Yeah, I saw that hellish, rancid, necrotic maw in the mentioned dream.  A horrible nightmare.  So, it's all an intractable, limbo-esque nightmare unless.....forbearance.  I have my understanding of forbearance and agree....forbearance is the way in.  And, I agree, in my nascent pursuit of laying hold of forbearance and sustaining it......can see that the diverting currents which claw away at it are humungous.

"being a great believer in energetic freedom and forebearance i SEE that all man does is imbued with the habitual of the collective"

Gautauma sat in forbearance (again, using the term as I understand it) for however long until he cut through.  In that moment, it is said that he saw that everything conceivable thing is already enlightened.  The active side of infinity.  The leading edge vs the trailing edge.

Do you ever experience joy?

[glance left]

Clarity!  An enemy..................until it's an ally.  What's the fulcrum around which the scales tip?  The twixt between this and that

[Pixie Dust]

rosygyro wrote:
on the subject of ghosts
we are all familiar with the excorcism of ghosts from haunted houses or crossroads, 
on the subject of the heart
we are untrained in the accumulated ghost of generic effects in the tonal.
the unseen inner ghost that has marked every human life lost since the day we were born.
the genus ghost as found within us..
or the madenningly deemed "foreign installation".

I just wanted to add this in here since you said ghost... right now I'm teaching art and I was told to teach the students to avoid ghost lines.  When we begin a new art piece, we ought to sketch with light, short strokes with a pencil.  This is so that if we need to erase to make adjustments we can avoid ghost lines.  Ghost lines occur when we press too hard so that when we erase lines we've now changed the paper and the impression is visible.

What if ghost lines were applied to people and their spirit.  If we could be a host to a lighter awareness, then our spirit can also avoid the dreaded ghost line (a spiritual scar).  Yes, some scars give us character and make us look cool.  However, it might be easier to avoid layering ourselves in ghost lines.  Unless you're Jasper from the Twilight series who is a military general and makes thousands of scars a testament to his warriorship.  I guess you gotta know how to wear it.

[Pixie Dust]

glance left wrote:
DJ said that the only purpose of a nagual, in terms of training another, is for emphasis.  Question is, what's being emphasized?

. . . 

Do you ever experience joy?

Such an amazing line of questioning  You asked about an idea and an emotion.  Even I'm sitting here thinking if I ever experience joy and when that was; then I begin to wonder if Rosy has ever experienced joy.  It would appear like he might not experience it as often as he lets on.  Though I've seen Rosy happy and while I can't think of anything specific, I do recall that they were small things that brought him joy.  

On a biological level, people who've exhausted particular synapses in their brain (through legal/illegal drug use) will notice changes to their cognitive chemistry  I know Rosy has talked about some of that in other threads, so that might explain some of his behavior (in the event you were curious).  

For me, my past experience with others has limited but also deepened my ability to experience joy.  For example, I find joy more in nature than I do in people.  I struggle with receiving joy directly because I'm mistrustful.  On the other hand, I find joy so easily if it's indirect, such as observations of people sharing joy will incite joy within me.  Joy is such a precious emotion and it's a little sad that I struggle to experience it directly.  Maybe that's a good thing?  It means I don't rely on receiving joy from others, but I now have to either manifest it or observe it in nature.  Those are good things, I suppose.  

Thanks for the question.

[glance left]

  Yeah, I've been depleted on umpteen occasions secondary to my intermittent forays into addiction, trying to wring everything I could from those neurotransmission pathways built for euphoria, which modern man has figured out how to exploit.  (BTW...any magic associated with helping resolve the "addict issue" would be appreciated......soul retrieval?  Something along these lines?)   As with you, indirect sources of joy, coming "from the woodwork" so to speak and, thus, from infinity/the spirit, are of my favorite variety.  Like you, joy coming from direct exchange with others is infrequent to almost non-existent.

[serloco]

Its in the simple things most of all. Like making someone happy and smile, and making someone feel good about themselves.