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Battle of the Naguals
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12-02-2017, 12:00 AM
First of all, the manta ray was important, don't *** with the manta ray.
Second, I genuinely don't see why it has to be a battle and not a team effort.
12-03-2017, 12:00 AM
glance left wrote:
 Yeah, I've been depleted on umpteen occasions secondary to my intermittent forays into addiction, trying to wring everything I could from those neurotransmission pathways built for euphoria, which modern man has figured out how to exploit. (BTW...any magic associated with helping resolve the "addict issue" would be appreciated......soul retrieval? Something along these lines?) As with you, indirect sources of joy, coming "from the woodwork" so to speak and, thus, from infinity/the spirit, are of my favorite variety. Like you, joy coming from direct exchange with others is infrequent to almost non-existent. I think with things like addiction it is the same as power plants or poisons. these things have a unilateral effect on all people who imbibe them. as such you are binding yourself in addiction to millions of other people through the quality of the substance you share. because the basic change of the human assemblage is a gargantuan challenge the binding also atatches you to a more generic and less personal form of assemblage fixation meaning you are in a philosophical battle on behalf of millions of people by default. so even for a powerfull sorcerer addictive chemicals will still be very advanced practice to control. if you simply choose to not be addicted then it is an immediate failing in terms of intelligent co-operation. I mysef have a horrible tobacco atatchment and could only limit it by finding a job within which i couldnt smoke. as millions of people also share that situation. so in summary- you take your addiction and the recognition that million share it.. and then you take another quality millions of people share and choose to cultivate that quality so as to shift focus.. NOT simply try to remove yourself from the influence of the drug. not saying its the magical cure.. but it is a practical set of steps if you want to slide out of the frame into another.
12-03-2017, 12:00 AM
rosygyro wrote:
I think with things like addiction it is the same as power plants or poisons. these things have a unilateral effect on all people who imbibe them. as such you are binding yourself in addiction to millions of other people through the quality of the substance you share. because the basic change of the human assemblage is a gargantuan challenge the binding also atatches you to a more generic and less personal form of assemblage fixation meaning you are in a philosophical battle on behalf of millions of people by default. so even for a powerfull sorcerer addictive chemicals will still be very advanced practice to control. if you simply choose to not be addicted then it is an immediate failing in terms of intelligent co-operation. I mysef have a horrible tobacco atatchment and could only limit it by finding a job within which i couldnt smoke. as millions of people also share that situation. so in summary- you take your addiction and the recognition that million share it.. and then you take another quality millions of people share and choose to cultivate that quality so as to shift focus.. NOT simply try to remove yourself from the influence of the drug. not saying its the magical cure.. but it is a practical set of steps if you want to slide out of the frame into another. I don't have a lot of professional credibility on addiction or rehabilitation issues, but I've been high before, so this is my two cents thrown in. Mind altering substances aren't amazing because they alter your mind, they're amazing because they alter it predictably and repeatably. This definitely not true of every substance, but being drunk is just not that complicated. No matter where you are, no matter how lost you are, no matter where your mind is at or what state its in, you can always find your way back to drunk very quickly. This CAN BE tremendously healing and useful, but also not. I was lamenting in a different thread a few days ago about how American music videos somehow also became tequila commercials, for example. Before that it was cognac. And wtf is up with Starbucks anyway, I mean really? MERMAIDS? I'll just let you unpack that for yourselves, but sometimes brand names are even stronger than the things they're selling. And yes, it totally does put you on a wavelength that you are not alone on -- the darkness is populated, that's a fact. But so do the new Taylor Swift album, Game of Thrones, the Bible, and the Dr. Who Christmas Special that, on this lovely 2 December morning I'm sure everyone is really looking forward to. The horrible truth is there are whales that want to swallow you. The even more horrible truth is that getting free is relatively easy and being swallowed isn't always so bad, but there I go again... Let me just say I've noticed a general trend so far that most people here seem to think that anything that binds you to other people is A BAD THING, oh my god, freedom freedom freedom. But I've chosen which people I want to be in "a philosophical battle on behalf of", as rosy said it, and it's working out ok for me so far.
12-03-2017, 12:00 AM
rosygyro wrote:
glance left wrote: Yeah, I've been depleted on umpteen occasions secondary to my intermittent forays into addiction, trying to wring everything I could from those neurotransmission pathways built for euphoria, which modern man has figured out how to exploit. (BTW...any magic associated with helping resolve the "addict issue" would be appreciated......soul retrieval? Something along these lines?) As with you, indirect sources of joy, coming "from the woodwork" so to speak and, thus, from infinity/the spirit, are of my favorite variety. Like you, joy coming from direct exchange with others is infrequent to almost non-existent. I think with things like addiction it is the same as power plants or poisons. these things have a unilateral effect on all people who imbibe them. as such you are binding yourself in addiction to millions of other people through the quality of the substance you share. because the basic change of the human assemblage is a gargantuan challenge the binding also atatches you to a more generic and less personal form of assemblage fixation meaning you are in a philosophical battle on behalf of millions of people by default. so even for a powerfull sorcerer addictive chemicals will still be very advanced practice to control. if you simply choose to not be addicted then it is an immediate failing in terms of intelligent co-operation. I mysef have a horrible tobacco atatchment and could only limit it by finding a job within which i couldnt smoke. as millions of people also share that situation. so in summary- you take your addiction and the recognition that million share it.. and then you take another quality millions of people share and choose to cultivate that quality so as to shift focus.. NOT simply try to remove yourself from the influence of the drug. not saying its the magical cure.. but it is a practical set of steps if you want to slide out of the frame into another. I think I get what you're saying. To some extent, I'm employing that method....similar to your job where tobacco is prohibited. In a similar respect, I'm committed to my tonal family (and, in a more subtle fashion to my ethereal extended family) and that agreement/commitment ensures that I don't go off the rails too far. To help take care of my family, I've got a job which, like yours, exacts limits. I can't be effective at my job if I'm in full blown withdrawals or in full blown hangover. Still though...more framework adjusting needs to be arranged...to hone in on tighter limits which will help inner evolution flourish, I think.
12-04-2017, 12:00 AM
Le_Regard wrote:
rosygyro wrote: I think with things like addiction it is the same as power plants or poisons. these things have a unilateral effect on all people who imbibe them. as such you are binding yourself in addiction to millions of other people through the quality of the substance you share. because the basic change of the human assemblage is a gargantuan challenge the binding also atatches you to a more generic and less personal form of assemblage fixation meaning you are in a philosophical battle on behalf of millions of people by default. so even for a powerfull sorcerer addictive chemicals will still be very advanced practice to control. if you simply choose to not be addicted then it is an immediate failing in terms of intelligent co-operation. I mysef have a horrible tobacco atatchment and could only limit it by finding a job within which i couldnt smoke. as millions of people also share that situation. so in summary- you take your addiction and the recognition that million share it.. and then you take another quality millions of people share and choose to cultivate that quality so as to shift focus.. NOT simply try to remove yourself from the influence of the drug. not saying its the magical cure.. but it is a practical set of steps if you want to slide out of the frame into another. The horrible truth is there are whales that want to swallow you. The even more horrible truth is that getting free is relatively easy and being swallowed isn't always so bad, but there I go again... Let me just say I've noticed a general trend so far that most people here seem to think that anything that binds you to other people is A BAD THING, oh my god, freedom freedom freedom. But I've chosen which people I want to be in "a philosophical battle on behalf of", as rosy said it, and it's working out ok for me so far. it has worked out ok for me too. Without those adversaries evolution is impossible. As one grows in strength, so must the other. Those who adapt survive. There is no good or evil, as Tay Tay points out in her bio, we are each a combination of light and dark. We are each a continuum of everything possible. If we are not friends, we are at least survivors having to endure the existence of the other. At least there's good banter and a decent understanding of one another. I guess it could be worse. I mean, at the moment I can't imagine what would be worse, but I'm sure worse is out there.
12-04-2017, 12:00 AM
If I may be so bold and reckless as to propose a novel solution,
Comrade noun 1. a person who shares in one's activities, occupation, etc.; companion, associate, or friend. 2. a fellow member of a fraternal group, political party, etc. 1585-95; < Middle French camarade < Spanish camarada group of soldiers billeted together, equivalent to cámar(a) “room” (< Latin; see camera1) + -ada < Latin -āta, feminine of -ātus -ate1 Related forms comradeship, noun
12-04-2017, 12:00 AM
If I may be so bold to suggest that perhaps my dropkicking you into my rabbit hole was a method of claiming. Whether or not you admit or concede.
Or maybe we're comrades and I just didn't feel like dying alone.
12-04-2017, 12:00 AM
If the end result is a wider and more thorough exploration of the rabbit hole than is possible alone, I accept either scenario.
12-04-2017, 12:00 AM
Wow. That's very mature and open-minded of you. You can do anything solo, but it's more fun when there's someone to laugh at
12-04-2017, 12:00 AM
Nods nods. Space exploration usually isn't a solo journey.
12-05-2017, 12:00 AM
Pixie Dust wrote:
glance left wrote: DJ said that the only purpose of a nagual, in terms of training another, is for emphasis. Question is, what's being emphasized? . . . Do you ever experience joy? Such an amazing line of questioning You asked about an idea and an emotion. Even I'm sitting here thinking if I ever experience joy and when that was; then I begin to wonder if Rosy has ever experienced joy. It would appear like he might not experience it as often as he lets on. Though I've seen Rosy happy and while I can't think of anything specific, I do recall that they were small things that brought him joy. On a biological level, people who've exhausted particular synapses in their brain (through legal/illegal drug use) will notice changes to their cognitive chemistry I know Rosy has talked about some of that in other threads, so that might explain some of his behavior (in the event you were curious). For me, my past experience with others has limited but also deepened my ability to experience joy. For example, I find joy more in nature than I do in people. I struggle with receiving joy directly because I'm mistrustful. On the other hand, I find joy so easily if it's indirect, such as observations of people sharing joy will incite joy within me. Joy is such a precious emotion and it's a little sad that I struggle to experience it directly. Maybe that's a good thing? It means I don't rely on receiving joy from others, but I now have to either manifest it or observe it in nature. Those are good things, I suppose. Thanks for the question. I found the pivot of the three rings one time.. that made me very happy and sort of deathy at the same time. i probably laugh for 5 hours a week. scream for perhaps 12 minutes, sing for 30 minutes, speak in a strange underverse dialect for maybe 90 minutes, play guitar 3 minutes, feed the fish 12 seconds. stroke the cat 8 minutes. all of that is very joyfull. maybe some of the strange multiverse dialect sounds like damning curses from a gypsy tongue , but really its still joyfull.. no really.
12-05-2017, 12:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BIFCdZdcfo
I believe Does the dialect sound anything like this? It came to me years ago out of nowhere and I use it sometimes. I don't know what it means, but Something does....and the exchange is joyful, I agree
12-06-2017, 12:00 AM
Pixie Dust wrote:
rosygyro wrote: on the subject of ghosts we are all familiar with the excorcism of ghosts from haunted houses or crossroads, on the subject of the heart we are untrained in the accumulated ghost of generic effects in the tonal. the unseen inner ghost that has marked every human life lost since the day we were born. the genus ghost as found within us.. or the madenningly deemed "foreign installation". Having explained my stance on the generic accumulative collective internal ghost , I should mention something. I have an ongoing battle with a demented sorceress who is intent on using necromancy( dead force) to patriotic ends. Because she is of a certain type of power she stirs the collective ghost and not just the one of her nations defence. The net result is that she keeps energising the entire human condition into racial hatred even though in her limited perception she is only defending her own backyard. It’s a horrible situation she has caused so much harm to us all and her belief may be patriotic but her effects are so destructive to peace she destroys and threatens everything. i Spend my time trying to put the collective ghost to rest so that maybe one day a single atom of life may stand where it was in the collective west. She is killing us all and inciting collective racial hatred in the human condition itself Associated with the wing maker . Com psyops site.
12-06-2017, 12:00 AM
rosygyro wrote:
Pixie Dust wrote:Having explained my stance on the generic accumulative collective internal ghost , I should mention something. I have an ongoing battle with a demented sorceress who is intent on using necromancy( dead force) to patriotic ends. Are you by any chance talking about Elizabeth II, Queen of the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand since 6 February 1952?
12-06-2017, 12:00 AM
03-28-2018, 12:00 AM
I think it may be demented to even talk of the battle between two naguals.
It is plainly true that the only part of two Nagual men that will battle is their untrained quotient. the only part in conflict will be their residual social conditioning. what value can we extract out of a battle? do we extract the value from ourselves? How dare anybody attack another.
03-28-2018, 12:00 AM
hows the work.?
you would think i would have trouble holding the universe aloft with all these daggers in my back. oh wait... it does make it difficult i am a sitting duck, stuck in front of a oblong work a million dead artists souls share the pain i don't clearly know where they are run through and i think it me i just know we should all be excused from the backstabbing greed driven assault that behind the scenes has become. live or dead...if i don't defend them today there will be no-one to stop the dancing on my grave later/ i just hope i find a vein. |
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