Observing the Body

[cabbageman]

Hey Sam,



Do you have any techniques for practicing stopping the internal dialogue when you are in public?

[Uncle Sam]

CM: daily zazen practice. with zazen everything is completely still and transparent. entire universe is crystal clear. zazen is like mountain of gold. infinite.



yes, with zazen practice nothing is disturbing you. i.e. all the disturbances in the public completely disappeared ( i have told to master that all those people "in the public" are "buddhas", master told no, they are stupid be clever, and start to practice zazen. (either learn it from web, or go visit soto zen center to ask them to show you exactly the zazen posture).



give it try and you will see. it is the best and the best advice in the entire universe to do Zazen, man. Gods are envious of those who can practice zazen in human realm. it is direct practice of Buddha himself.





do it like that son and i promise introduction to highest abstract sorcery as a bonus =)

[quantumshaman]

Uncle Sam wrote:
CM: daily zazen practice. with zazen everything is completely still and transparent. entire universe is crystal clear. zazen is like mountain of gold. infinite.
yes, with zazen practice nothing is disturbing you. i.e. all the disturbances in the public completely disappeared ( i have told to master that all those people "in the public" are "buddhas", master told no, they are stupid be clever, and start to practice zazen. (either learn it from web, or go visit soto zen center to ask them to show you exactly the zazen posture).
give it try and you will see. it is the best and the best advice in the entire universe to do Zazen, man. Gods are envious of those who can practice zazen in human realm. it is direct practice of Buddha himself.

do it like that son and i promise introduction to highest abstract sorcery as a bonus =)Scout1:
For someone who pretends to practice zazen, you sure do talk a lot (and say nothing.)  What gods?    (You make no sense.)

[quantumshaman]

cabbageman wrote:
Hey Sam,
Do you have any techniques for practicing stopping the internal dialogue when you are in public?There is a position of the assemblage point between the brows which is very effective for silencing the ID even in public.  It's a matter of locating that point through your own meditations and experimentation, but on most humans it's slightly above the level of the eyes and slightly below the level of the center of the brows.  I want to clarify that it isn't the traditional third eye, which is much higher on the forehead.  This place of inner silence is like a parking space for the internal dialog, similar in nature to the assemblage point of silence in between dreams.  Once you locate it, it becomes relatively easy to "park" the internal dialog and look out at the world through the eyes of silent awareness, experiencing things as they are, without all the internal chatter and commentary.
One way to help locate the point is this:
Place the middle finger of your right hand on the bridge of your nose, then begin slowly raising it while focusing your awareness on following the path of your finger.  When you reach the point I'm referring to, you will most likely feel things go silent.  With a little practice and a bit of intent, it becomes possible to move the AP to that position whenever you want to stop the ID.  After awhile, the ID becomes retrained, and in many cases, stops altogether.

[delawaredan]

QS, thank you for explaining this AP parking spot for the ID. I could feel the shift to this AP just while reading your post. It will be a great tool.

[quantumshaman]

delawaredan wrote:
QS, thank you for explaining this AP parking spot for the ID. I could feel the shift to this AP just while reading your post. It will be a great tool.
    Glad to be of service.

[cabbageman]

Thanks QS! Yes I have been practicing this technique to gaze and shift my assemblage point but I never thought of actually finding the spot that the ID rests and "parking it". 

Awesome!

[seesaw]

Very very valuable info. Thanks QS.

[watergaze]

I have a few intriguing experiences with this point. When I would do an exercise in nature bugs would bump on it, no kidding. Even some small branch fragment blown by the wind or something would hit it (gently, not like a blow). I noticed because it was taking place among those moments you notice especially when the whole attention that you can muster, is on receive. I just knew it was something important and helpful, because it happened many times. And yes it has a silencing effect though i didnt connect it with ID primarily, the immediate result of the spot being struck in these strange ways was to get my attention and, sigh i cant find the proper English word for this, like what a spring inside a pen does - the verb of that, or like a predatory cat gets into this vibrant attentive state, ready to react at a seconds notice, but ofc this has to be linked to silencing the inner dialogue, so that makes all sense together. I thought first that they are showing me the third eye, but it was not the right place for that, i thought the third eye should be more up (but i didnt go into interpreting that or looking up where google says the 3rd eye is, it was just a thought, i mean i dont really care what it is called, important thing is i know where it is and that it is important and that it has a certain effect on me). Also, when I touch that spot and put pressure on it slightly I get the strangest tingly vibrating feeling. I did not label it as ID stopper, but yea that happens too . When i press it a certain calmness spreads over me..
(For all i know it could be the third eye though , but when i go more upwards with the pressure to another spot i start feeling shifting - though i dont think i can explain what i mean by that - so i think that would be the third eye)
By observing I also noticed that when I put a finger against the root of one side of my nose, with just gentle pressure on the upper part which is connecting to the spot/pressuring the edge of that spot, it also works and it is easier and kinda normal to do in conversations etc. If you observe people closely some of them do that when 'thinking' or when they are trying to take a break from it like freshening up they rub the spot around it and it too, thus affecting the spot.

One more spot keeps being hit, maybe I will see an explanation on that one here in the forums someday too hehe . It is on the throat

qantum shaman, I would like it very much if you would share more info on body spots like this. Also the body can help us get free of certain thoughts or emotions, for example if we shake (like trying to get water off) stuff falls off of us. Knowing the body and using it as a tool is very helpful, if not crucial..

[quantumshaman]

watergaze wrote:
qantum shaman, I would like it very much if you would share more info on body spots like this. Also the body can help us get free of certain thoughts or emotions, for example if we shake (like trying to get water off) stuff falls off of us. Knowing the body and using it as a tool is very helpful, if not crucial..
there are a few little things i observed that i can use my body for.. maybe i will make a body thread and copy this part of the discussion into it to make a place for this kind of stuff. cause not all is as directly connected to the FI as silencing the mind. Though basically all that forwards us on the path is connected to it. I just find it might be helpful to have a focused thread on the body.
I'd be glad to share more info about body-spots and correlation to the AP... and I do think it would be a great idea if you created a thread for that and moved everything of relevance from this thread over to that one.  Otherwise, as you point out, too much is lost in the mire of the mumblings.

[watergaze]

This thread is made for pointing out helpful spots on or movements of the body for sorceric purposes (for example silencing the mind or connecting to the double).

[fabs]

also, you could make it a dream task to go and intend to find the points specific to you that will have this effect

[fabs]

fabs wrote:Rolling the eyes may work...for me, looking up and then relaxing works well. Also, putting the hands about 5 cm next to each ear and listen to the sound/energy. Another one, putting the palm of the hands on each side of the body below the belly button and feel the energy. Also, you could make it a dream task to go and intend to find points specific to you that will have this effect.

[fabs]

Rolling the eyes may work...for me, looking up and then relaxing works well.

Also, putting the hands about 5 cm next to each ear and listen to the sound/energy. 

Another one, putting the palm of the hands on each side of the body below the belly button and feel the energy. Also, you could make it a dream task to go and intend to find points specific to you that will have this effect.

Also, you could make it a dream task to go and intend to find the points specific to you that will have the effect you are after.

[glance left]

Great techniques, all of you



One maneuver I've found helpful is to diffuse the relative "hardness" of the FI/ID. When its in play, it feels like cap made of a blop of mud sitting over my head which has tendrils reaching down into my body. The overall effect feels like a cap of subtle tension that has one or two lines of tension reaching down into my body..down to the level of the chest, fequently. This can be countered with the intent to feel a cloud of dispersal through the rest of my body...like a cloud of steam surrounding and enveloping the body. The body saturation engenders silence and opens up my awareness...which helps to start to work on the areas of "residence" of that foreign energetic signature..invading the space its invaded, so to speak Reclaiming lost territory. Gentle, persistent pressure.....and body awareness saturation....very helpful to me

[Guest]

A technique for stopping ID I use...Command it "STOP!". Hold it (sustain it).

[Guest]