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The danger for Dreamers is becoming lost in fantasy.
If you don’t understand that, you don’t understand the dream world. The dream world is the astral: emotion-generated images.
You see a photo of a frog in a book - that night you dream of a frog talking fabulous things to you. That’s how the dream world works. It picks up fragments of items from your known world and mixes them in constantly changing patterns. But one thing that is forgotten by Dreamers - the dream world is endless. An endless arrangement of images and dramas. The true task for aspirants of any type, is *through* the dream world, not aimlessly wandering in it.
Dreamers become lost by believing the dream world is real. Believing it is telling them truths that will guide them. That is not where truth comes from. If you remember one thing, remember that it is we who carry truth into the dream world - never, that the dream world teaches us truth. Truth is in us, or it is nowhere. The big question is how we acquire that truth in the first place.
Dreamers fall for the belief that their dreams validate things, people or directions. Dreams reflect - that is all. The items you see in a dream are your own reflection. They validate nothing! If you see someone you are engaged with in a dream - hello?! That’s what everyone does in dreams. It means nothing, and is in no way a guidance to decisions about that person.
I am not saying real forces do not exist in the dream world - that you can’t contact those forces. But if your stories of dreams are all about ‘items’, you are contacting nothing, except perhaps those forces which want to manipulate you for their own designs.
The dream world is fantasy. Lucid or non-lucid dreams, the dream unfolding before you is fantasy. If you dream you struggle to reach a mountain top, or you dream you struggle to extricate yourself from a trap - the mountain top and the trap are fantasies. Your struggle is real. Both dreams are the same - the items are irrelevant.
Dreamers become lost because they forget their dreams are fantasy. They become fixated by the intricacies of their dreaming, and believe they have found something of inestimable value. Then they make endless itineraries of the most bizarre facts and features revealed to them, and become obsessed by these fantastic items and patterns.
The danger for Dreamers is to become seduced by the dream world. They believe this to be the only truth in their lives. They shift their energy away from the physical world and construct great spiritual schemas that self-justifies their imbalance. Soon they become disconnected from the common physical world. Then they become sick. Eventually they die believing their fantasy world will save them.
Dreamers become insane, unless they either belong to a balanced group, or they strive for balance in themselves. That means becoming successful in the physical-social world. Beware the mystic who has failed in society.
The Buddhists say, if you meet the Buddha in a dream - kill him. Why? Because this is not the Buddha you meet. It is your construct. Freedom lies outside constructs, so kill the Buddha - it came out of you and is blocking your path. If you meet Jesus - kill him. If you meet don Juan - it’s not don Juan, it’s all you have ever absorbed about don Juan and is pure ****. It stands for one thing - you have focused sufficiently upon some image, that your subconscious has thrown up a sockpuppet in front of you. It demonstrates don Juan has become a sufficiently important image in your life, that’s all. At best, he is a symbol of your spiritual quest. At worst he is a sockpuppet of a manipulating force active in your subconscious.
Toltec Forums
Like followers of the Order of the Golden Dawn years ago, the Toltec forums of recent years have become a magnet for half-crazed people. And like the Golden Dawn advocates, these Toltec idiots are not just harmless fools. They can seriously derail the aspirations of genuine seekers of truth. They do this in the same way they themselves became side-tracked from their own path. They dazzle with glitter, and they entangle with intrigue.
There are people out there in these forums who **** on about how they have met and are taught by don Juan, by Death Defiers, by eagles and inorganic beings, by ancient shamans and frogs. How can you tell these people are victims of the Dreamer’s Demise? Simple. Are they telling endless strings of weird and wonderful ‘items’ from their dreams? Are they conducting rivalries with other charlatan gurus? Do they put out vibes of being scary powerful shamans? Do they rave on about fantastic encounters that prove how fantastic they are? Do they crow about their prowess at dreaming and stalking?
This boils down to two things:
1. They are obsessed with spirit-conspiracy and trivia. They **** on about all kinds of fantasy knowledge they have been told of all the spookiest characters from Castaneda’s books.
2. They are on an ego-fantasy trip.
Those who have made real progress on the path do not indulge in sensationalism. They know the true path is long, and only gradual and painstaking effort can bring wealth to the soul. They are sober, and don’t substitute entertainment for knowledge. They know it is in *how* we do things that real progress is made - not what we do or what we see. It is the deepest of feelings that matter, not excitement.
The Double Loop.
Speaking precisely, this is called the Recursive Loop, but Double Loop will do just fine. This is the real danger for Dreamers and for unwittingly absorbing the energy of those who have been caught in this trap. This is what really scars the soul and causes us to divert from the true path for a very long time - way beyond this life.
There are forces out there. They live in the subconscious of individuals, groups, movements, nations and species. The Double Loop is when we are tricked into looping back and referencing ourselves again in the next loop. When the Wood Cutting industry calls itself the Forest Protection industry, they are in a Double Loop. These forces have a vested interest in making us act in loops - keeping us trapped in prison loops where we can never escape to purse our true purpose in life. The use a special trick to do this. They tell us we are fighting against our worst enemy - themselves. That’s how they hide, and that’s how they ensnare us.
They know we know there is an enemy to our freedom - it is indelibly written in our being. So they give us an enemy - this is the spirit-conspiracy. Some forces out there are blocking out true flight - they tell us that, and we believe them because in our souls we know it is true. Then the trick comes. They convince us to ensnare ourselves in their trap, by allowing them to possess us through the very belief in the enemy they offer us. Which is none other than themselves! This is so utterly clever and difficult to see, because we get caught in the complexity of externalising their self-reflection.
I know you don’t get it, so let me give you an example. These forces do not want us to free ourselves: to kill the Buddha, to see through the don Juan sockpuppet, to escape from the conceptual form-world. We are their slaves, and they suck us dry through our emotional commitment to the form-world - any form-world. Remember it is the energetic world they operate in, and our eyes are blind to that - they simply want us dancing to external tunes, uncovering our bellies to feed them as they fly past above us.
So we meet the one person they know we would trust - don Juan. It isn’t don Juan, it’s a mask, a puppet of these forces. This ‘don Juan’ then begins to reveal to us all kinds of incredible and conspiratorial pure bullshit, which we believe. And the big revelation don Juan tells us is that there are forces out there trying to entrap us. But hey! Don Juan knows how to save you from their trap! And we fall for it - hook, line and sunk. The Double Loop - caught by our own ego desires and entranced forever in our own self-image - which is their self-image. Just like everyone else in the world.
How do we know this don Juan is a sockpuppet? Because of the **** he tells us and shows us. None of it is real knowledge - none of it can be used by us to work effectually upon our deepest core - it’s all Fox News sensationalism to make us believe we are special. True knowledge does exactly the opposite - it strips us of any desire to be special.
The next time you see a conversation in any Toltec forum which has the “Ooooooo....” factor, jump out like you’ve just trodden on a snake.
If you belong to a Toltec forum that displays consistently any of the above seductions, leave immediately. You don’t realise the damage being done to your spirit. To fly free your spirit must be as clear and pure as a snowflake. Every minute you linger, absorbing the flavours of entrapment, your spirit is dying. It is not indestructible.
Wipe the dust from your shoes as you leave their door. Believe me - you are jeopardising something of value far beyond your comprehension.
Jump! little rabbit jump!
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Hehe. I once had a dream that I was in a desert at night and Don Juan was sitting on a rock over there facing me. So I felt elation at finally having found Don Juan in my dreams! I said, "Are you Don Juan?" Then Don Juan said (he was dark and I couldn't see his face) "I am Don Juan," in this cracking, sinister voice. Then it began to cackle!
I don't think that was Don Juan! lol
If lucid dreaming was part of the Christian tradition they would see Jesus etc.
I DO believe that in dreams we have access to perception that is not available though.
To me the metaphor is a lot like computer modeling and skinning. To create a model you first start with a 'mesh', and then later you 'skin' the mesh with whatever 2-dimensional images are available in the inventory of your computer's hard drive.
Dream energy is like that mesh, and we graft from our inventory of images/experiences onto that 'energy' - only be sensing the essence of the items in our dreams or 'seeing' can we know for sure if they are real.
Of course, if the phantasmagorical 'frog' he refers to in the article tells us things that turn out to be true that we could not have possibly known otherwise, then the frog is 'real', although it may not be an actual frog. I have dreams of that nature quite frequently (most of them are not lucid). Usually its quite mundane things such as whether a co-worker will be fired, what someone plans to do, how to build something, what may happen next, and last but not least, what form my death is taking lately.
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One thing I agree with - if the stories people tell have a feeling of 'sensationalism' these people are seeking attention. They embellish their stories or just plain make them up.
My motivation for sharing stories is a little bit of validation (not as much as before) but I feel motivated by the fact that if/when something happens to me, my experiences may be lost forever. By writing them at least online there is a good chance the stories will exist in the cloud for a very long time. I also am intensely curious about how much my experiences are similar to others.
The truth is though, most people who have real experiences are hesitant to share. Most people do not have the ability to find the right words.
ON the other side of all of this...is cynical jealousy and envy. There are those who have labored for years to have a real dreaming, seeing, or sorcerer experience, and either they never have one or they are thoroughly disenchanted with the experiences they do have. So they will attack others as an outlet for their frustration. These are people who believe they are entitled to get something out of all this, but they never will.
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Gugeyewalker wrote:...if the stories people tell have a feeling of 'sensationalism' these people are seeking attention...
...Most people do not have the ability to find the right words...
All words are sensationalism. Are those the right words?
Trapped by energy, huh? Where you going to jump?
I have answers to that.
You are very sincere, but that is far from controlled folly. You refer to Don Juan, but why? What the hell else is controlled folly but a form of sensationalism?
Maybe you don't like controlled folly, sorcery, or such. What then?
Of course, in rhetoric, I am fully aware of conversing with myself. I kind'a like it too... BECAUSE surely I am alone. I REALLY LIKE THAT.
How about you? Do you like that you are separate? Do you find joy? Do you find peace? (or even just a piece of ass? lol)
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I cant really get a feeling for what you are saying here at all Billy, please bare in mind I am a bit slow and it takes some simple explaining for me to understand sometimes : )
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Littlepaw wrote:I cant really get a feeling for what you are saying here at all Billy, please bare in mind I am a bit slow and it takes some simple explaining for me to understand sometimes : )
Billy
Thank you, thank you. In interaction with serloco I have been offered his abilities and they are potentially mine Littlepaw--just as my penchant for empty meaninglessness is given in return.
I am speaking from 'no-knowledge' but earnestly still. LISTEN:
I go into the world (throughout life/ and as most everyone else) and am usually not up to it--I myself always had to pretend my way through the conventional maze of doing the world--I am very pragmatic that way--and I have attained enough in that syntax to be ordinarily comfortable. Yet, presumably as yourself, I have paid attention to my existence on my own terms--well outside of a societal box--I AM DRAWN INWARD--THAT IS WHERE I THRIVE. (I want to share that idea).
I believe it is necessary, with circumstances what they are for most, to put the external (tonal/practical?) in good order--such as money, human relations, philosophy, etc. I was able to do that, then SEPARATE (reasonable detachment) and take a natural 'heartness' path into my core being. REALLY
Learning from DETACHMENT, I realized I did not want the world (ESPECIALLY other humans) to have power over me. I focused on being GOOD with myself, ESPECIALLY when the manifested aspects were anything but good (as per conventional appraisal) {I won little battles detaching and being 'up' when anyone else would be 'down.'}. I got a TASTE for learning to embrace life as is, even with an underlying distaste for the idea of existence existing at all. {I would prefer my annihilation than being forever part of the world-- but also began to SEE my strength in retreating deeper into myself.} Nevertheless, I understood that the energy of the external world was complimentary because it became a comforting blanket. What was once uninviting, ugly, hostile remained as it was, but the very attributes of worldliness became the food (energy) source for nurturing myself in separation. This I have been consciously aware of for at least a dozen years (in lesser degree at first).
SO... I allowed myself IN ACCORD WITH MY OWN REASON, to experience mindstates that were obviously negative. I TRUSTED myself to indulge them, knowing REASON would be only a faint far-off whisper. The natural progession brought me face to face with this darkness of sorcery which is naturally threatening to someone like me (A nice ethical guy, formerly Catholic, benevolent family, etc.) The influence is tenable even after many years of detachment practices. KNOW that sorcery is just another form of worldliness (had to learn this)
The exposure to the sorcery ideas here are more food--strengthens my constitution of going into myself further still. WHY do this?
BECAUSE I find untouchable invulnerable peace {I call this authentic SELF}. Ironically, I come back to the world more fully my conventional self too {potency there-- the controlled folly principle-- emotions yes, but not ones you cling to. (by the way, I interpret/understand serloco with this in mind)}
I am always going to essentially be the essential ethical me in world manifestation terms for the forseeable infinity. Stay with YOUR OWN REASON (logic) and HEART TRUST (your 'sacred' idea of self)
Trust to engage reasonable detachment Littlepaw. It takes little courage or effort. Just little by little--and observe so you know its effect and that you can trust yourself even as you allow what prior was undoable or undesirable. Do not seek, or work unecessarily. Let the power of your own ideas work for you. I found they manifest when you DON'T RUSH.
Move inward (into your OWN vast nothingness) because this is where you experience freedom and joy.
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Let me go further sharing rather than promoting.
If there were a God, he should be condemned. Evil as humanely thought, existed in creatures long before human existence. Hostility, violence, warfare was present early on in earth's evolution.
You going to blame Adam and Eve? Devils?
The aggression and drive to exist and recreate the self-organism is not what I want. THAT is what is. I hate it-- I detached even from (especially from) my healthy disdain for existence. (Read Waking Sanford-- a metaphor for life).
When I saw the worst of life it was putrid. NOW when I see the putrid worst of life, I want it to feed me. To make that energy compatible, as I bring it into my heart as an awful, meaningless, empty, futile, horror-- I LET it ALL permeate me by making it MY OWN ABASEMENT (not my own doing but rather the conference of what is worthless onto myself> AS> I AM WORTHLESS).
BUT... because of learning detachment, there is no burden-- just raw energy. This raw energy had been overwhelming abundant at first-- and there is much learning involved as to directing it...
BUT basically I learned this: When I attain to the empirical assumption of obedience to being an existent (energy) and as such being worthlessly, meaninglessly alone-- then I am well...
TELL ME WHAT THAT WOULD BE FOR YOU!!! THAT!
Is a very, very RICH phenomena of 'paradoxical' self-affirmation.
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Just to be sure, the 'worthlessness' alludes to beating the **** out of versions of your fixed identity. Don't worry, you'll go back out THERE with even a bigger ego self than prior. AND that is okay (as you'll gain more objectivity).
One of the reasons you might pay attention to someone like serloco (if not him) is to cut away from the stream of conditioned societal thinking. You don't need to believe or not believe--need to break old ideas that are cement shoes and cultivate the space to become more fluid of spirit. That is why I used to read Castaneda. Along the way you adopt more progressive versions, until as I said, you beat the living stuffings out of attachment to status and get some TASTES of free spirit. Once this happens a few times you become a professional you. OMG I am laughing--because this state is so uncharted. OMG its fun--but the challenges are never ending and yet wonderful in every respect-- expanding ranges of your life experience, ever expanding self-trust and conquering self-doubt.
I had the benefit of having two persons of awareness pointing out things in the ordinary activities of friendship earlier in life. However, the ideas are what are important-- not THEIR ideas--rather simply your ideas of truth for your OWN self brought out of you. Who the f*** cares where they pop up-- embrace them as yours when true.
If you are uncertain about something, someone, etc as true or not--THAT is an answer loud and clear, either 1) NOT true or 2) NOT ready and SEE number 1 (NOT true (NOW)
IT must be simple. INTEND to know the truth. TASTE its purity with your heart.
I wish I could adapt the words to your specific situation. But anyways, you walk alone BECAUSE you are alone. DO NOT BE AFRAID OF THAT ALONENESS (gobble it up and watch it caresss your inner. Watch how the opposites/judgements of life become neutralized, and yet feelings more vibrant, YES pain, YES joy, YES whatever. AND a NO that is REAL is there too) It is VALUABLE FREEDOM.
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billy wrote:Billy
Thank you, thank you. In interaction with serloco I have been offered his abilities and they are potentially mine Littlepaw--just as my penchant for empty meaninglessness is given in return.
I am speaking from 'no-knowledge' but earnestly still. LISTEN:Thank you Billy for taking the time to make things more understandable for me. Rather than make a long post which will be hard to read I thought I may just start at the beginning. You would do me a service to enlighten me on what being offered someone's abilities involves!
In some ways I do this myself being a guitar teacher. By knowing some of the ins and outs of rhythm I am able to show people what it FEELS like to play certain things, but in this case of showing my students guitar there is a price to pay for my students, they have to put in quite a bit of work in order to reach and sustain this feeling on their own. Music is like a language which is learned and all teachers really do is take the time and patience to repeat the language in a way the student might be able to understand.
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Littlepaw wrote: Music is like a language which is learned and all teachers really do is take the time and patience to repeat the language in a way the student might be able to understand.
Dreaming: When I recapitulated, I recalled recurring starkly vivid dreams as a little boy 'expressed and to be accepted' that I was alone in a meaningless existence. I did not realize then of course what a gift that was. I do now.
My dreams also told me of futile separation from otherness, and I was to be treated by otherness only as an object. As I dealt with recapitulating this, I understood that my relegation to being an object was not possible, and pointed only to highlighting my OWN awareness and liveliness (another gift). The way this was manifested in the dream, was to conclude in my awashness with shame. (literally in dreamstate, girls of my school pissed on me, and when this happened I entered euphoria). {An anomoly of my childhood was that I was held in good esteem in my neighborhood environment but was tagged as stupid and laughable in the separate Catholic school environment with different kids}
I lived a completely normal life thereafter (childhood and dreams forgotten), but grew spiritually throughout. When I recapitulated, and then tried to relive the experiences I found a principle that works for me (I explain logically why so in personal writings).
Instead of contempt for a world that is not even real to me on many levels, I discovered that an EFFORT at self-contempt wrought states of mind the could only have the opposite effect. When trying to conceptually destroy myself and esteem, I only affirmed and bolstered myself.
The more I go into myself to convince myself that I deserve condemnation and should experience no joy, the freer I become, and I DO have joy. I may write a book someday, but probably not--- I am becoming the consumate solipsist. When I bitched up some family matters, serloco said he felt my doom. Me hearing doom, after having recovered my bearings, was like lobster with drawn butter (yum).
Nothing can do injury to a soul despised by itself, that is nothing in its OWN account.
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lobster, I've never tried lobster, not adverse to the idea just never had the opportunity. There is so much to life that I have not experienced so little time : )
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Littlepaw, there is no avoiding being compartmentalized using words (cannot represent everything). What I have been messing with here is something well established in the 15th century and was dubbed 'quietism.' It was a movement that ironically is influential in both squeaky clean Christian literature and the darker Thelema tenets. Its author was a Catholic priest (Miguel de Molinos), and it was a great part of many orders of the Church, but purged out because it called for a direct relation with God (which potentially left the Church unimportant).
Its followers including many saints such as St. Theresa thought any presentation of self could not be worthy to stand before God, so they practiced shame, abasement, and self-annihilation. Molinos maps this out in his writings in Spiritual Guide. One could read between the lines and see the underlying concepts have nothing to do with God or Devils.
The writing basically evokes destruction of the ego (and to make oneself small and humiliated before the world). I was well into his tenets independently--but they mirrored my foundation. In my book I used paragraph after paragraph with some rewording, and did not parse the essential message like Molinos. One other difference was, I had no intention of being small or humiliated before the world and emphasized that the reader could accomplish a similar effect privately, but should spare nothing of one's self-abasement helped along by a worded contemplation I dubbed the "Shame Practice."
Here is the deal with that: If I coax every thought and fiber of my body that I am worthless and should not exist, while having first embraced the concept of detachment, you create an invulnerable disposition and foundation. Why? Because if you do the practice earnestly it leads to a phenomena of feeling empty and puts you at ground zero. From that point there is only 'up' in qualative state of mind. (The followers of Molinos were getting off, high having raptures etc. the deeper into self-negation) Should it be the case that you don't go 'up', that is even way better still> you have a direct opportunity to debase yourself more than ever before (and understanding the aim and results there cannot be anything more desirable, because every pain becomes pleasure based on what empirically preceeded). Without the predecessors like myself and Molinos, others first embarking on this course would surely doubt their sanity. There had to be many who only suffered, because that is what they were told to do. Forget about Gods and Devils and Dreams, go to the bottom whence you'll find awareness ALONE (without the decoration) IS.
That is the beginning of your controlled folly. I like the word PLAY too. However, the sharp teeth of reality do bite hard, and I can only tell you that will always have to adopt being the warrior.
I do think you SEE that the challenges as once before insurmountable, are very doable. I like the word ACQUIESCE. I ACQUIESCE for pause, then the substance can be given identity and detached from.
Still, these are temperaments that are developed in reason, and as you eloquently understand--likened to the fascination of learning and PLAYING music.
There will be times when you are engaged and being more decisive, then there is falling off. This is life.
Still again, I find getting to the bottom through detachment the ultimate disposition for me.
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Billy,
Quietism certainly has many parallels throughout all cultures yes?
And they all seem to share a similar theme of eradicating the ego. Indeed it seems that his endeavor can sometimes lead to obsessive compulsive aberrations that come from misunderstanding WHY anyone would want to do this in the first place.
If a warrior 'sees' they would know that to be absorbed with our own self, language, inventory, and personal history, is to be stuck like rats in a cage, wandering from one wall of the mind to the next. To the rat all of his reality and all he would ever know is the cage, so if he were a reasonable rat he would consider his world, the cage, very important indeed.
However, if the rat were a warrior he would consider the cage more of a labyrinth, or puzzle to be solved, as his curiosity about whether there is more out there is so intense . When the rat learns to see, or escapes the cage, or solves the maze, then he begins to realize that the cage or maze, which is all of the world he has ever known, is not that important at all!
To warriors the mind is a labyrinth with the unknown, the magic, somewhere in there to be discovered. It is self importance that is the brick and mortar of this labyrinth that she is challenged to solve. Either he solves or, or she cheats and jumps over the wall where she sees the labyrinth for all it really is...and finds himself in an immensity beyond imagination open for endless exploration.
Of course running his head against the walls over and over would be a bit self-abusive, another form of stupid aberration that says 'look at me, I am working on destroying my ego!!'
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No one ever talks at my level here. I am always trying to figure out what the hell the topic is about since people go off on long rants which usually include everything from awareness, infinity, flyers, the assemblage point, stalking, dreaming, etc... but never really making any REAL points about these things.
When I say my level I mean I feel no one is even interested in me as a person and if I dare ask anyone about their life they become all secretive because they think that Warriors are supposed to be these mysterious solitary people. The Warriors path is a practical path but I don't see any practice going on here
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Littlepaw wrote:No one ever talks at my level here. I am always trying to figure out what the hell the topic is about since people go off on long rants which usually include everything from awareness, infinity, flyers, the assemblage point, stalking, dreaming, etc... but never really making any REAL points about these things.
When I say my level I mean I feel no one is even interested in me as a person and if I dare ask anyone about their life they become all secretive because they think that Warriors are supposed to be these mysterious solitary people. The Warriors path is a practical path but I don't see any practice going on here
C'mon LP you can do better than that! It would be a disservice to be overly interested in you 'as a person'. It would only reinforce the walls of your particular labyrinth ya see?
You are not alone on this path, and yet...
So please keep posting if you can. There aren't many forums like this out there. It is just limited by language and sometime language fails us.
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Seers take an approach that parallels science, and science reaches the same conclusions as seers have; that is that what you think is important in the grand scheme of things is horse ****...human attention is like that 'our world' our planet, is one of an infinite number. Just as your perception, how you assemble the world, is only one position of an infinite number.
Difference being, you need a starship to get to other worlds in this universe, but there are other options available to us if we are willing to become warriors, dreamers, and seers, its all accessible right here, and right NOW!
Think of the dot in this video an analogy for human perception.
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I use a thousand piece jigsaw, and I am a partical of dust from the cuttings in the box, and knowing absolutely nothing of one piece, let alone the composite when put together.
Perception what it is I still rant.
When I graduated from college forty years ago I met a mentor. He was an ex-Catholic seminarian who had solid insight into human neurosis and gestault philosophy. We were both interested in betting thoroughbred racehorses. He immediately nudged me out of my comfortable boundaries in every respect. Something in me told me learn everything I could from this man, and especially about making decisions.
Talk up travelling somewhere specific at a specific time with someone and watch as they get excited about doing it, but then later how there is always an appointment, a reason, an excuse why it can't happen.
He taught me that to grow one had to make choices and stand behind them no excuses.
He encouraged me on what I could do (not what I couldn't like most others tend to do). There was not any formal itinerary--teaching happened in real and appropriate time. This was a man who understood standing in the fire. He allowed me to be ready for when my time came to choose when in my own psychologial deathground situation.
No doubt growing can be painful, but the currency of learning is forever yours when you do. I failed to choose way too often probably, but applied what I could just as you are probably doing Littlepaw.
About fifteen years ago I got very lucky to engage closely another man of high awareness for about a year. I can only tell you that when I am learning profoundly I KNOW IT> I feel it permeate my being> and yet the counterbalance for me is making sure to keep my feet grounded in the mundane world or what here is called the tonal I guess. Taking care of your work, family, objective is huge to staying grounded, while yet eyeing the dreams, the possible impossibles-- what is yours.
The internet experience is weird. I knew at once that serloco was the one to nudge me out of my current boundaries. I consider him my third teacher. He is probably too abstract for where you are coming from right now. I almost have to laugh to deign that I write anything in the vein of being helpful to you, and I don't say that in false humbleness, but Like Gugeyewalker said--keep posting if bits resonate here.
Gugeyewalker seems to get the anomoly of learning, when in the infinite scope-- WHAT the f*** are you going to learn. I don't delude myself often, yet there is more to learn about 'enlightenment?/ LAUGH--LAUGH HEARTILY.
THIS IS THE LAST PIECE IN A MANUSCRIPT I WROTE-- Surely it will make you laugh.
miracle of watching myself putting myself together as energy
worthlessness- the weight of world/feeling/body has no value--in shame I mindfully condemn 'I am energy'--I hate being--I am ashamed that I AM > > >
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...but energy as reason sees objectively that my energy cannot be negated. Worthlessness is like a slow moving form of fear, and merely another form of sexual energy. So reason, having learned detachment in other ways, realizes now that it can (almost) detach from energy in the slow moving form of itself; which is why zen mindfulness is practiced--to make motion of energy observable. However this reforming to near stillness is still a joke to me--REALLY, REALLY, because it is an endless cycled instability, because that's what energy does, WHAT I DO > change form. Though, SHAME TEACHES ME NOT TO RUSH (change is a given fact to reason now), and I am not in a hurry to get anywhere. I am not getting out of myself (energy) no how and no way. Why hurry? (hurry where?) BUT BECAUSE of energy's cycle, I necessarily get lost in concepts like worry, hurry, not rush, and fear FOREVER; I 'really' (not real) do want to get out in a hurry. My tool reason {FOR detachment} lets the false 'reality' of wanting to get out, be identified as the one word--FALSE. So now the Myth of Sisyphus state is laughable just like sadness can be. This fucking, failing futility brings joy > that is exactly worded the right way and without hyperbole--IF understood in the way of enlightenment. NEVERTHELESS, I talk about watching myself in a cognizance called awareness (with enlightenment et al)--AND I'm still lost, you SEE? SO, reason substitutes the conceptual FALSE with an empirical false in SHAME. SHAME becomes THE OBJECT to be detached from. At first, SHAME takes me to the lowest slowest (smiling) frequency of energy {similar to state of bose-einstein condesate in physics}. (Shame in this slow state of energy will be easily transformed to a conscious state of 'usually' faster nuclear fission). I SEE worthless self/SELF (my own energy) in clarity as simply an object to detach from. Then energy detaches from itself; ENERGY gets it how to (almost/or really) step outside of its own show. {In vernacular, energy gets loose of itself (not necessarily as a faster state), because energy as reason NOW has wisdom to know whatever state, right down to the manifestation of picking your own nose, makes no difference. Why be afraid of my isolation in a state of energy that is FOREVER, and forever fickle and indestructible? What is the difference that I change anything? {Do I get that this is the reality?} I don't create new energy. I don't (cannot) succeed in the true sense of the word > I can't become anything, because I already am energy. BUT STILL--I DO shame. Why? BECAUSE I WANT SOME FUCKING PEACE (that is WHY--I am laughing so fucking hard it hurts--laughing harder when I edit). I don't want anymore fearful cognitive dissonance. So I REALLY DO want to change energy. Hmm. ??? As Albert Einstein describes waves and particles, "We observe one and sometimes the other. We have two contradictory pictures of reality, neither of them fully describes the phenomena of light or of every elementary particle, BUT TOGETHER THEY DO." THAT concept applies here. Do you understand? THAT concept also applies to my engaging the world freely, and without acting on every desired fetish. Though I am authentic, it matters little what satori etc. either. You can do this because the principles are sound. Period.
I'm writing and thinking, writing and thinking. So how do I know my writing and thinking is true (to having peace)? I know by staying in reason. I know empirically--this is ALWAYS the best way to know anything.
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This thread started out with the Article which I posted so I want to bring us back on track if that's OK with you guys? : )
The way I see it is that the whole article is about being lost in delusional fantasy
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Littlepaw wrote:http://restlesssoma.com.au/restlesssoma ... pic=2561.0
The danger for Dreamers is becoming lost in fantasy.
Dreamers become lost by believing the dream world is real. Believing it is telling them truths that will guide them. That is not where truth comes from.
The dream world is fantasy.
Dreamers become lost because they forget.... Freedom lies outside constructs, so kill the Buddha... you have focused sufficiently upon some image; your subconscious has thrown up a sockpuppet....
...forces do not want us to free ourselves: to kill the Buddha, to see through the don Juan sockpuppet...But hey! Don Juan knows how to save you from their trap! And we fall for it - hook, line and sunk. The Double Loop - caught by our own ego desires and entranced forever in our own self-image - which is their self-image...
None of it is real knowledge - none of it can be used by us to work effectually upon our deepest core - it’s all Fox News sensationalism to make us believe we are special. True knowledge does exactly the opposite - it strips us of any desire to be special.
...To fly free your spirit must be as clear and pure as a snowflake.
Wipe the dust from your shoes as you leave their door.
Jump!
billy
Littlepaw: the article is about being lost in delusional fantasy.
ME: Bury me and serve me up as dinner.
YOU: Jump!
Funny, but true, heh?
OMG
True? YOU make it true
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Littlepaw wrote:This thread started out with the Article which I posted so I want to bring us back on track if that's OK with you guys? : )
The way I see it is that the whole article is about being lost in delusional fantasy
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I have a rule of thumb about delusion.
I have a rule of thumb about delusion. If you interpret the experience from the point of view of self importance, OR simply make it all up from that point of view, then it is delusional. Sometimes however, the interpretation of the experience is an honest error too. But a humble warrior will not go overboard.
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By the way, there is nothing wrong with fantasy and the arts....sometimes they are a real form of seeing and all we have when the language of exploring the unknown fails us.
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Speaking of posture on uncertainty, the lack of direction, possible delusions---- I want to become conscious to detach from my concern about these when they hit me, and create space. (for one thing the separation allows for objectivity)
I sent something to you on my detachment practice.
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