The Tree of Life

[glance left]

Dreamways,




I remember a dream I had several years ago. I posted it in the Parallel Perception forum. In it I was sitting in front of a large panel of beings...some of
which I knew were inorganic beings (their projections, of course). We were engaged in a discussion about the future of the relationship between human
navigators of awareness and the inorganic beings. Specifically what was being discussed was a merger...a synergistic one...between human dreamers and
inorganic beings devoted to the pursuit of freedom.




Have you run across anything of this nature in your interactions with inorganic beings? What's your take on this?

[dreamways]

glance left wrote:

Dreamways,


I remember a dream I had several years ago. I posted it in the Parallel Perception forum. In it I was sitting in front of a large panel of beings...some of
which I knew were inorganic beings (their projections, of course). We were engaged in a discussion about the future of the relationship between human
navigators of awareness and the inorganic beings. Specifically what was being discussed was a merger...a synergistic one...between human dreamers and
inorganic beings devoted to the pursuit of freedom.


Have you run across anything of this nature in your interactions with inorganic beings? What's your take on this?

There seem to be as many varieties of inorganic intentions as there are human ones. Most of my journeys have been within the "realm of
vibrations", that strata of creation that hosts things like universes, organic and inorganic life, all the stuff we recognize as being
"something." All the energy within this strata is very similar to the energy contained within the "throat chakras" of living things.
Watching over all this dancing vibration is a singular eye, it seems to be the "eagle" that Castaneda spoke of. At first I thought that the eagle
was just a sort of universe unto itself, but, eventually I saw that it was bigger than that, it is basically the "brow chakra" of "god".
As far as I can tell, the reason it is a singular eye is because it is a conduit for power, and power is singular. Because we exist as vibrations, within the
"throat chakra" of god, it may be impossible for us to ever really percieve higher chakras of god/creation accurately, as they are only partially
made up of vibratons, the majority of their essence being non-vibrational. At the "crown chakra" of god, everything is made of light. God's
thoughts manifest as light, that is. The thoughts/lights that become aware of themselves are "angels". I know a lot of people have said that the
light of god is also a vibration, just a higher vibration, it's just that I've never seen any evidence of this. The vibrational part of the light that
makes it comprehensible to a vibrational being is not the light, the two essences are combined but not the same thing at all. Anyway, I met a being (a scout)
a long time ago, who's people all travelled beyond the "crown of heaven", beyond god, to what, I don't know for sure, and left her behind for
a few lifetimes to wrap up their affairs. I think they "switched gods" somehow, and I think that's what "freedom" is, to get away from
all of it. Within this creation/god, the day of the inorganic beings is over and the hour of man has almost passed. Creation will soon favor its newest child
and forget about man the same way it forgot about inorganic beings. Other "gods" are kinder and more in sync with our heart charkras than this one,
and we are still in fashion with them. It's our heart that makes us leave, that's for sure. This whole description can be put in different ways of
course, but I think you still have to answer the same question in the end. How much freedom do you really want?

[glance left]

"How much freedom do you really want"




As much as is possible! LOL Great question. Great elucidation as well, btw. You are the dreaming MAESTRO, mon ami. I agree...who knows what to make of all this
marvelous stuff of adventure and exploration...but, at the very least, it makes for an incredible story!




"It's our heart that makes us leave, that's for sure."




And how do you see that man arrives at this point of departure? The level of the heart? From my understanding it comes from a profound release...a release that
naturally allows the boundaries of freedom to expand. What do you think, Dreamways? It is in this realm of discussion that I think what Lujan is teaching
becomes absolutely pertinent. And, if what you say is true, that man's hour is drawing to a close, then this discussion and then the following practice is
of absolute importance.




One thing is for certain.....I absolutely DO NOT want to be stuck in the social stoop of stool that the vast majority of our fellow men seem to be rolling
around in. I want to shine, and if it be my task, to help others lift and shine as well...even if it's only for an instant.

[Bob May]

Interesting topic.


The Qabala is the study of the Tree of life mentioned in the Bible. There are many parallels to what you all have been saying about your dreams and Ygdrassl,
the Skandanavian Tree of life. Also in Carlos' writings I think.


In the Qabalistic viewpoint the Tree is the Pattern upon which manifestation is based. This runs through all levels Spiritual through physical.


Ten Sephiroth or "Emanations" of the unknown God. Each with a God Name for that shpere of operation. Each also has a name associated with it
concerning archangels and legions of angels. also demons and inorganic beings associated with each sphere.


There are also "guardians on the paths" similar to the Seraphim with a flaming sword that guards the Garden of Eden in the midst of which the tree is
located.


The paths are 22 in number and traversing these paths is each an initiation to the "Mysteries' associated with each path.


The "Great Bands of Emanations" mentioned by Don Juan seem to be identical to contacting the Emanations or Sephiroth upon the Tree. (The same word is
used in spite of the great difference in culture and time between the two systems.)




"Behold a ladder set up" which reached from heaven to earth" are the words Jacob used to describe this Tree when he saw it in a dream. Another
name for this Tree is "Jacob's Ladder".


I have experienced this same thing in a waking vision and I am convinced it is what Don Juan called "The Great Bands of Emanations."


It also had the qualities associated with both systems of knowledge. Multicolored (rainbow) tounges of flame,.. It reached from far above me and through me and
continued on through the earth and beyond below me (heaven to earth).


Numerically, the phrase mentioned before in Hebrew adds up to 888 which in Greek is the sum of the name Jesus who also claimed to be the Tree of life.




There are many ways to contact or connect with the powers on this Tree and that is the study and practice of the Qabala. Some of these are Dreaming, visions,
Rising on the Planes, becoming one with a Sephirah (or Emanation), Invoking an Archangel, or angel, or intoning a God Name.There is also the so called
Lightening Rod which is what I believed happened to me in that instance I mentioned above.


But as I said before there are guardians set upon the Paths to "keep the way of the Tree of Life" as the Bible puts it.


The powers it can convey are many, Wisdom, Knowledge, Healing, Miracles, Knowledge of other tongues etc., etc.


It is a blueprint of the whole of creation both visibnle and invisible and is a gift of the unknowable Creator of all.




Getting past the Guardians upon the Paths are what "Initiation" is. Not some man made ceremony, but real Initiations from the One Spirit.

[dreamways]

Bob May wrote:

Interesting topic. The Qabala is the study of the Tree of life mentioned in the Bible. There are many parallels to what you all have been saying about your
dreams and Ygdrassl, the Skandanavian Tree of life. Also in Carlos' writings I think.


Hey Bob, cool post. Maybe you can shed some light on the other "trees" that I've found. I'm gonna hurry with this cause I gotta go
run some errands. Anyway, After the first tree, which identified itself as the "Tree of Life", there are 5 others I've found so far. The first
one is far away, it is small and white colored and makes me dizzy when I look at it. I call it the "mirage tree." It emits alot of white light that
appears to be hot, I have no idea what it is all about. The 3rd one is close to the tree of life, looks like it is made out of diamonds and has identified
itself as the "tree of knowledge". The fourth one looks like an apple tree and is guarded by a chimera and calls itself the "tree of
wisdom". The fifth tree is near to that one and looks like a sequoia, it calls itself the "tree of silent knowledge." The tree of wisdom is
disturbing and the tree of silent knowledge is pleasant. My gut feeling is that there are at least 18 trees. The last one is super massive, black colored,
feels like it is made of iron. So, I just call it the "iron tree", there is a small dreamworld sitting on top of one of its roots, looks like an
island with a dormant volcano in its center.

[Bob May]

Hi Dreamways,


There are only two trees mentioned in Genesis the Tree of Life and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.


The former is the pattern of everything and much is written about it. The latter is the tree that mankind has eaten of the fruit which is DEATH against the
advise of God or Elohim.


The fruit is not an apple, it is death. Now we know things after a manner that we were not created to know things. An insufficient, outward mentality. We, in
Biblical terms are DEAD because of eating of the fruit of this tree.




Our goal is to come back to life or "wake up" to be aware of other Spiritual things and eat of the Tree of Life again.


Some of those fruits you have mentioned Knowledge, Wisdom, Knowing Without Having Known, etc.


Your dreams of separate trees for these separate faculties may be your way of understanding these things.


There is nothing wrong with that we are given things in ways we can understand these things (personal symbols, so to speak) until we experience direct
knowledge of them.




One way of looking at Spiritual progression is that it is a matter of remembering rather than learning. We were created as spiritual beings and have descended
through through lower and lower realms to get where we are now. It is why God clothed us with "coats of skins" when we left the Garden of Eden.
Skins, plural denoting the various bodies we would need to function on various realms. Physical, Astral, Energy bodies, Dreaming bodies, Etheric bodies etc.


Like an onion, many skins and many "circumcisions" to remove them.


These are some of the things I have noticed parallels in both Don Juan's system of knowledge and the Qabala and Bible. To move the assemblage point closer
to our center is to become more aware by stages. So also is the promise (not a commandment) to Abraham that his offspring would be circumcised throughout their
"generations". Those "Generations" are a description of us becoming more spiritually aware in stages.




Like the pealing of an onion, circumcision is a removing of "layers of flesh" to get to the core of ourselves and remembering where we came from.

[ninth octave]

Would like to thank Bob Mays for laying out the pieces of the puzzle( Post # 53) ... I have been hovering around these very same inquiries for the past
three years.What began as sentient is now unfolding in rapid succession, as the connecting of the dots taken from inbetween the spaces of the nagual are
surfacing into the tonal. Thanks Dreamways and PerSyd and All who participate in this venture.




From "The Power of Silence" page 103




Don Juan had stated his belief that the Christian idea of being cast out from the Garden of Eden sounded to him like an allegory for losing our silent
knowledge, our knowledge of intent. Sorcery, then, was a going back to the beginning, a return to paradise.




Ninth Octave from PP

[ARNWAY]

As a truly inquiring request on my part to this subject to Dreamways is how you fit in to this ancient Babylonian Judaism matrix with your tree of life? and
call yourself remotely to Juan Matus?

[dreamways]

ninth octave wrote:

From "The Power of Silence" page 103


Don Juan had stated his belief that the Christian idea of being cast out from the Garden of Eden sounded to him like an allegory for losing our silent
knowledge, our knowledge of intent. Sorcery, then, was a going back to the beginning, a return to paradise.




Well, you have to factor in that sorcery was taught to humans by inorganic beings, and all the energy required for sorcery comes from the inorganic world.
So, if you use sorcery to return to paradise, who's paradise are we talking about? Just a thought.

[ninth octave]

Arnway,




Most definitely my lineage comes from the seed of Abraham.




Ninth

[Bob May]

"Well, you have to factor in that sorcery was taught to humans by inorganic beings, and all the energy required for sorcery comes from the inorganic
world. So, if you use sorcery to return to paradise, who's paradise are we talking about? Just a thought."




The Qabala is said to have been given to mankind via angels. Not organic beings.


The knowledge of astronomy, mathmatics, geometry, cosmetics and many others were said to be given to mankind by the offspring of the Sons of God who came into
the daughters of men in Genesis. The offspring were called the Nephilim and their fathers were also not organic beings.


I do not see sorcery as a means of a return to Paradise, just an opening of the doors and the first experiences I had with the "other side" and
stopping the world.


But the parallels between the methods of Don Juan and the Qabala (The mystical study of the Bible) are too numerous to mention.




Jesus said to the Pharisees about his disciples, "I say unto you, if these should hold their peace even the very rocks would cry out".


One of the Psalms states, "Be still and know that I am God."




Sounds to me like stopping the internal dialog and reaffirmations from the world around us. And it goes beyond this by stating that we can know God by the same
practice.


It all depends on how far we want to take it. A complete return or just a glimse of what lies beyond the veils of existence.




Even Don Juan was not satisfied with sorcery but strove to become a "man of knowledge" or "seer".




All energy and knowledge comes from the Spirit. Only certain schools of thought need to filter that energy through intermediaries from the lower astral planes,
or what you are calling inorganic beings. That term can be misleading. The only organic beings are those of the physical plane.


Nature spirits, angels, archangels, demons, archdemons and God Himself can all be referred to as inorganic.




A Mystic or a man of knowledge goes to the source and makes no use of intermediaries. That is what we should be striving for in my opinion.

[dreamways]

Bob May wrote:

Nature spirits, angels, archangels, demons, archdemons and God Himself can all be referred to as inorganic.





Whenever I'm talking about sentient "inorganic beings" I actually mean "Jinn" specifically. Jinn can incarnate within the physical
bodies of all sorts of things, such as plants, animals and humans. The only sorts of plants they incarnate within are "power plants." The humans
they incarnate within are called "sorcerers." Human beings that are not part Jinn do not reincarnate. Jinn that stay inside their own world, do not
incarnate. So, it seems that reincarnation is soley for rogue inorganic beings to experience. If it wasn't for reincarnation then there would be no such
thing as sorcery, a nagual, a lineage and "cyclic beings". Muslims describe the interaction of humans and jinn as one of the biggest cluster-fucks
of all time.

[glance left]

"Muslims describe the interaction of humans and jinn as one of the biggest cluster-fucks of all time."




LOL! Now that's funny.




There is an experience beyond organic and inorganic, though. Isn't there Dreamways?

[Mornings Son]

If IB is Angels too.


Then one could get help from and Angel to move the AP and become a Sorcerer.


(Give that Angels are into doing that of course)




I have no doubt that Satan would do anything for a soul and the same for demons and devils.


They fit somehow to classic IB decription




Now thats a new perspectiv.


Pray to Archangle Michael and ask for his help inbecomming a Warrior (for God aka Spirit & Power)




Is this a possible path?

[glance left]

There is an experience beyond the division of "inorganic" and "organic"




In some other post, Dreamways, you likened the separation of the two to different parts of a tree...you said that inorganic awareness is the roots of the tree
and that organic awareness is the branches. Is this right?...I think this is how you put it. So, within this analogy, there is one thing that unites them
both...one thing that pervades the WHOLE....or...wait a minute...maybe two LOL!




Do you remember that don Juan talked about two elemental manifestations of interactions between inorganic beings....electrical (fire-like) and watery.
Intriguingly enough there are two systems that pervade the whole of the human body from head to toe. Both of which, when mapped out, look exactly like a tree
with a central core and branches ramifying from those branches both above and below. Those systems are the cardiovascular systems...through which the
"watery" fluid of blood is transmitted...and the nervous system...through which the bio-electrical impulse energy is transmitted. Interesting, huh?




How to unify.....how to bring cohesion....bringing separate parts together?

[Bob May]

"If IB is Angels too. "




Maybe fallen angels, but I would not ask one for help. It would be kind of like letting the Mafia do you a favor.




"Then one could get help from and Angel to move the AP and become a Sorcerer.


(Give that Angels are into doing that of course)"




Angels can be invoked or asked for help. It has been my experience as I wrote in another post yesterday that anytime I had a true "Spiritual
Experience", my perception has remained in second attention for weeks afterwards. This would be a movement of the AP in my opinion, though I have never
seen the AP. But the way of mysticism is better in that you deal more directly with the source.


Men are a very unique creation in that we were made a little lower than angels but have the potential to reach higher.




"Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached
the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the ANGELS DESIRE to look into."






"Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the
smallest matters?


Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?"







There is also the possibility that you might invoke a fallen angel. It is possible for them to come as "angels of light" disquised as it were.




"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the LATTER TIMES some
shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;"




Many times in scripture angel just appear as men. Not possessing them, but just manifesting in flesh and blood bodies and then dissappearing.




"Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained ANGELS unawares."




"Now thats a new perspectiv.


Pray to Archangle Michael and ask for his help inbecomming a Warrior (for God aka Spirit & Power)


Is this a possible path? "




Yes, you can ask angels for help. Many years ago I asked for my holy guardian angel to appear (we all have one) in order to increase my faith.


It did and it did.


The Order of the Golden Dawn had/have a lot of books on the subject but it can be a dangerous study. Dion Fortune's book the Mystical Qabala is a very
good book on the subject and points out differences between some of these methods and Mysticism, uses of the Tree of Life and safe ways to approach it as
opposed to unbalanced methods.

[dreamways]

glance left wrote:

"Muslims describe the interaction of humans and jinn as one of the biggest cluster-fucks of all time."


LOL! Now that's funny.


There is an experience beyond organic and inorganic, though. Isn't there Dreamways?

Whatever the energy is, beyond and above us, it isn't organic or inorganic as far as I can tell. The organic and inorganic mix within this strata of
existence is like the Miley and Mandy Show, sure it's awesome, but it doesn't transcend anything. Castaneda believed that there was a way to get past
all of this. For some reason, he found that it was important to teach people about the "assemblage point" as part of his stratedgy, my only guess is
that he was trying to direct our attention to the energy that manifests on the front of the assemblage point, the side that faces away from the body. What I
have found, repeatedly, is that there is a unique type of energy there, unique in that it is hard to classify as either organic or inorganic. In my travels
within dreaming, I have come across this energy in free standing form, to me it looks like a "tree". These trees seem to be portals or nodes of
energy within the universe, sort of like a cross between a star and a black hole, with a singular sentience. This is the "last" thing I'm
examining in this level of creation, in this lifetime, before turning the remainder of my attention on everything and anything that appears to be outside this
circus.

[dreamways]

Bob May wrote:

"If IB is Angels too. "




Maybe fallen angels, but I would not ask one for help. It would be kind of like letting the Mafia do you a favor.




Amen to that. Plus, the Jinn rule the "fallen angels", according to the Koran. They are the jailers and punishers of the fallen, no matter how
high they used to be.

[ninth octave]

To all who participate:
May I suggest "The Book of Enoch" the prophet . Enoch had a close relationship with God and resulted in his being transported directly to heaven (Genesis 5:24) , where it was believed he was shown the secrets of the universe and all time. Book 1 will give you the names and deeds of the 200 "fallen angels" or "watchers"- angels who lusted after the beautiful  daughters of men, and came down to earth to marry them. The interference by the "watchers " is regarded as the introduction of evil  into the world , and Enoch is instructed  through vivid visions to tell the fallen angels of their final unfortunate fate.
I will give an actual texts.
VII.[ SECT.II.]
1. It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days, that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful.
2.  And when the angels, the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying to each other , Come let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children.
3. Then their leader Samyaza said to them; I fear that you may perhaps be indisposed to the performance of this enterprise;
4. And that I shall suffer for so grievous a crime.
5. But they answered him and said;  We all swear;
6. And bind ourselves by mutual execrations, that will not change our intention, but execute our projected undertaking.
7. Then they swore all together, and all bound themselves by mutual execrations.  Their whole number was two hundred, who descended upon Ardis, which is the top of mount Armon.
8.That mountain therefore was called Armon, because they had sworn upon it, and bound themselves by mutual execrations.
9. These are the namesof their chiefs: Samyaza, who was their leader,  Urakabarameel,  Akibeel, Tamiel, Ramuel, Danel,
     Azkeel,  Saraknyal, Asael,  Armers, Batraal,  Anane, Zavebe, Samsaveel, Ertael, Turel,  Yomyael,  Arazyal.  These were the prefects of the two hundred angels, and the remainder were all with them.
10. Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.
11. And the women conceiving brought forth giants,
12. Whose satature was each three hundred cubits.  These devoured all which the labour of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them;
13. When they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them;
14. And began to injure birds, beast, reptiles, and fishes, to eat their flesh one after another, and to drink their blood.
15. Then the earth reproved the unrighteous.
CHAP. VIII.
1.  Moreover Azazyel taught men to make swords, knives, shields. breastplates, the fabrication of mirrors,(made them see that which wasbehind them) and the workmanship of bracelets and ornaments, the use of paint, the beautifying  of the eyebrows, the use of stones of every valuable and select kind, and of all sorts of dyes, so that the world became altered.
2. Impiety increased; fornication multiplied ; and they transgressed and corrupted all their ways.
3. Amazarak taught all the sorcerers, and dividers of roots:
4. Armers taught the solution of sorcery;
5. Barkayal taught the observers of the stars;
6. Akibeel taught signs;
7. Tamieltaught astronomy;
8. And Asaradel taught the motion of the moon.
9. And, men, being destroyed, cried out;  and their voice reached to heaven.
  CHAP.IX.
1, Then  Michael and Gabriel,  Raphael,  Suryal, and Uriel, looked down from heaven , and saw the quantity of blood which was shed on earth , and all the iniquity which was done upon it, and said one to another,  It is the voice of their cries;
2. The earth deprived of her children has cried even to the gate of heaven.
3. Andnow to you, O ye holy ones of heaven, the souls of men complain, saying, Obtain Justice for us with the Most High.  Then they said to their Lord, the King, Thou art Lord of lords, God of gods, King of kings.  The throne of thy glory is for ever and ever, and for ever and ever is thy name sanctified and glorified. Thou art blessed and glorified.
4. Thou hast made all things; thou possessest power over all things; and all things are open and manifest before thee.  Thou beholdest all things, and nothing can be concealed from thee.
5. Thou hast seen what Azazyel has done, how he as taught every species of iniquity upon earth, and has disclosed to the world all the secrets which are done in the heavens.
6. Samyaza also has taught sorcery, to whom thou hast given authority over those who are associated with him.  They have gone together to the daughters of men;  have lain with them; have become polluted;
7. And have discovered crimes to them.
8. The women likewise have brought forth giants.
9. Thus has the whole earth been filled with blood and with iniquity.
10. And now behold the souls of those who are dead, cry out.
11. Andcomplain even to the gate of heaven.
12. Their groaning ascends; nor can they escape from the unrighteousness which is committed on earth. Thou knowest all  things, before they exist.
13. Thou knowest these things, and what has been done by them; yet thou dost not speak to us.
14. What on account of these things ought we to do to them?

[ninth octave]

The Book of Enoch can be read in its entirety at :


http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/bep/bep02.htm

[Bob May]

"Castaneda believed that there was a way to get past all of this. For some reason, he found that it was important to teach people about the
"assemblage point" as part of his strategy..,"




There is. In the Qabala it is called "rising on the Planes." It is accomplished by placing your consciousness in and around various places around the
body. Western Mysticism's method of moving the assemblage point, I believe. You can actually "Rise above" the physical and astral planes where
nature spirits and elementals dwell.


There are planes where demons cannot reach. They can be left behind/below as it were. Some of the higher planes can be even more frightening in a different
manner though. Power dwells there and the body and mind must be prepared? or ready for such power. Any emotion can become the straw that breaks the camel's
back.




".. my only guess is that he was trying to direct our attention to the energy that manifests on the front of the assemblage point, the side that faces
away from the body. What I have found, repeatedly, is that there is a unique type of energy there, unique in that it is hard to classify as either organic or
inorganic. In my travels within dreaming, I have come across this energy in free standing form, to me it looks like a "tree".




I have always wondered about this. Does man look like a tree to some level of inner sight?


You are the first to confirm my theory. It did not make sense that it took Jesus two trys to heal this man.


I knew it had to be for some specific reason that this story is told in this unique way.






Mark 8:22
And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him.


23


And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw
ought.


24
And he looked up, and said, I SEE MEN AS TREES, WALKING.


25
After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly.


26
And he sent him away to his house, saying, Neither go into the town, nor tell it to any in the town

[dreamways]

ninth octave wrote:

The Book of Enoch can be read in its entirety at :


http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/bep/bep02.htm




Very cool stuff.

[dreamways]

Bob May wrote:


24 And he looked up, and said, I SEE MEN AS TREES, WALKING.






Well, as I've said before, "tree" energy is "heart" energy. The blind guy sounds like he was seeing energy, specifically the heart
chakras of people, or maybe something beyond that. Maybe he was actually seeing the heart chakral-body. I just don't think that it meant he was seeing
poorly, rather, he was seeing extremely well. I see the heart chakra as light green, you might even call it a "clear" green.

[ninth octave]

Bob May,




The other day I was thinking about this verse too / "I SEE MEN AS TREES, WALKING" a confirmation from the spirit indeed. lol This verse definitely
brings more meaning than meets the natural eye. Just as DJ's words are said to CC, along with his gestures. I'm sure DJ wasn't just saying it for
his health either.




I believing Dreamways has a prophetic dream that just needs its sorting thru to make sequential sense of it -like any prophetic dream..Daniel, Ezekiel ,
Job, Enoch, John 's Revelation, Mhammed's revelation (sorry don't know the Koran yet) Even Lujan had a prophetic dream with his cohorts to explain
to him. Dreamways has the arch- angel RALPHAEL




Dreamways I am reading your stuff. It's like trying to hit the tri-fecta in a horserace: win, place, show

[dreamways]

ninth octave wrote:



Dreamways I am reading your stuff. It's like trying to hit the tri-fecta in a horserace: win, place, show


Ya, except the grand prize is a bathroom token.