MS Dreaming log

[Mornings Son]

In the start of my dreaming a shadow came in on me from the left. After some examining found it to be my Death... That did give some perspective to everything - I don't feel my time is here is done - so it was a serious reminder of living fully today and doing what it is truely my path with Heart.
Had a dream of some military operation - we where about hundred of people attacking/moving in on a facility in a forest.
I returned to the dream several times during the night - somehow it was difficult to make the plan or to have the right target.
Still in the dream most of us where in civil dress. No resolution in that dream

[Mornings Son]

In a nap I had a dream of 4-5 men telling me something while very close to me. It was something about the lineage and also explaining how different parts of thing/events in my life tied together.

I have to add that Im reculant to accept whatever teachers and powerful entities tells me - lazy and arrogant alas.

[Mornings Son]

1.) Dreaming being on a supertanker - walking long narrow corridors. We where to through some aliens out -easy task it seemed. Cant recall doing it.



2.) Was (again) in the pillar of light. It must be the dreaming representation of alignment



3.) Was in a room with a light blue 'alter' like structure. It was church room like room, very high to the ceiling

[Mornings Son]

I been away long time this night in dreaming.
Have the feeling of returning from a long journey. Have been in the desert for long time wandering about. We(?) meet with some local - they had completely black eyes and was in sort of arabic desert clothing. We traded with them - items which purpose I can't figure out now - but in the dream it was clearly some good tools. They showed us the cave. It was resently abandon, but still the stuff from rituals people did here was there. The paintings on the wall was mostly in red - showing something like bull fighting. Went deeper in the cave, into the darkness. There was a dead end. The mountain had sealed itself from the labyrinth beyond. When the arabs told this we instantly was in/over the labyrinth. It was messy and there was a lot of useless old stuff from peoples regular life ( 1000-2000 years old stuff) It was not worth while to be there and we left for the surface again. Then a lot of walking and walking and walking - sky almost clear, temperature pleasant, but the air is very dry and we cover our mouth with scarfs.
today I feel strange - like a stranger back in unknown yet familiar land. Guess that I should use this feeling to open up to the command of the Eagle a bit more.

[Mornings Son]

Intent to meet with you 3 and look for something special.
Walked in a huge hall with water on the floor, there where numerous pillars and we had flash lights.
felt Lunoor strongly to my left. Kris... he was there to the right a bit behind me. We found a gate with seals and complex old lock. We talked about how to proceed. 
Im not sure if Dreamgirl was there or not.

[Lunoor]

Man some cool dreaming for you the last two nights. Unfortunately I don't remember a thing from last night and I even had the luxury of laying around in bed this am. My dreaming world has a complex lock, at least it feels so since it is so hard to remember them.

[Mornings Son]

This night a powerful IB came at me at the moment I entered lucid dreaming. He was very strong and destroyed part of the dream reality as he enter as a huge evil blackish dragon. Then he changed into a man a stood in front me. He looked me in the eyes and challenged me. His power was beyond mine and he had power over my dream realm.

Something in me remembered that all is one and I shifted my AP to that of being One with the being. Then the thread disappeared and for some moments I-we-all was just there in the scene. Then dream then changed into energy and I can't recall what happened, but this morning I feel much fresh and joyful. finely on the other side of being weak and sick )))

[Mornings Son]

Had 3 clear dreams to day. I the last I survived a neaclear explosion..



The first may relate to our group went to a island that was in a fog found a little village of white tree houses there and a lot of birch trees around - almost no people.

[Mornings Son]

Had a long and good phone conversation with SHM - the subjects was the same as on the forum, but there was of course a dialogue about the subjects. I cant recall clearly the words, but the mood was serious and inquiring.

A funny detail is that I used an old black phone

[dreamgirl]

Hey MS, after your dream of the nuclear explosion, maybe because I read your dream, I had a dream of an impending nuclear explosion. I was kinda paniced about it, but handled myself calmly and somehow knew I was going to be a survivor- in the dream that is.

[Mornings Son]

This night:
1) traveling in Sweden saw a huge alternative community - It did not look alternative though
2) Was meeting in a limestone with Lunoor(? - not sure how you feel in dreaming) There was two others, but I did not get a clear feeling of them. We talked lively about 'What do we need to do to move on?'. I was suggesting that we found each other and all put a rights hands together, I would be a sort of uniting and creating a dream band between us. What would the impact be? Would it be links us up very much - for better and worse? Lunoor was suggesting that we walked in the desert in the night to fins a place of power and watch the moon and let power stream through us as we all so experiences being together. What desert? Why do it? For me there still is the unresolved question of purpose.
Strangely enough I did intended to let go of past and healing the wound and again I had a dream relating to Raven Sky. hmmmm Are we to be dream group of healers??
Anybody dreamed of purpose for the group?

[SelfHealedMadman]

Mornings Son wrote:

This night:
1) traveling in Sweden saw a huge alternative community - It did not look alternative though
2) Was meeting in a limestone with Lunoor(? - not sure how you feel in dreaming) There was two others, but I did not get a clear feeling of them. We talked lively about 'What do we need to do to move on?'. I was suggesting that we found each other and all put a rights hands together, I would be a sort of uniting and creating a dream band between us. What would the impact be? Would it be links us up very much - for better and worse? Lunoor was suggesting that we walked in the desert in the night to fins a place of power and watch the moon and let power stream through us as we all so experiences being together. What desert? Why do it? For me there still is the unresolved question of purpose.
Strangely enough I did intended to let go of past and healing the wound and again I had a dream relating to Raven Sky. hmmmm Are we to be dream group of healers??
Anybody dreamed of purpose for the group?

Hi MS! 
As to your comment in my Dreaming folder, I'll give you my thoughts.
First, why I have not commented is that I was waiting for Lunoor to comment as to if it was her you were Dreaming with.  I don't recall it at all.  Lunoor, do you remember this? 
As to purpose, I've yet to come across anything in Dreaming to point out a purpose for us. 
To perhaps break this down even further, may I ask what the purpose was to create this Ravens Sky Dreaming Group?

IS it to Dream as a group?  IS it to tell of our own Dreams?  IS is for us just to learn to Dream more consistently?  IS it to improve our daily lives? 

I have to take a step back here and make a comment I've made before:  If we're not Dreaming consistently on a nightly basis, or even a couple nights a week, is it even possible to Dream as a group with really any purpose?  Perhaps the purpose of the group is to assist each other in regular Dreaming?  Perhaps we should take two steps back and figure out why some can't Dream on a regular basis?  You mention above in regards to healing a wound.  What's this, if I may ask?  I've found that if I'm embroiled in some drama in my daily life my Dreaming goes to ****; even prior to that, if I wasn't impeccable in my daily life I couldn't Dream at all.  Perhaps we should change this to a Stalking group; a group wherein we work on our daily tonal lives so that we CAN then begin to Dream consistently, then perhaps as a group?  This of course leads to Morning Mist, which I thought was more of a Stalking group to tell of our daily doings and not-doings.  Yet, that group even brings up issues with me, which of course tie into this Dreaming Group.  How?
I see no commitment, as I mentioned to Turin in that one message on the board.  If there's no commitment how can we figure out a purpose or a goal??  Or should I say, what good is purpose or goals without committment?  Will anything ever get accomplished??
I did say several days ago I was going to take a step back from all of this to work on a project.  Sure, but that doesn't mean I'm gone, or won't check this board several times a day.  What's anyone posted since then?  Not much.  No Dreams.  Just a comment here or there on MM.  I'm not passing judgement on anyone, just making a statement of what I see. 
Are we committed to this or not?  Are we committed to taking the steps needed to Dream on a regular basis?  Are we committed to clearing out the **** in our lives (over on Morning Mist) that allows us to Dream?  I mean, how hard is it to post something here, daily, as opposed to posting something on the public board?  Hey, I do it, and I know I do it.  I'm doing my best to transition over to this more private section of the forum.  But you've got to help me out here...   
If we're not committed to at least doing SOMETHING, at a minimum posting here on a daily or every other day basis, what's the use having a group or a purpose or a goal??
Hey, if it's going to be a half-assed circle-jerk, that's fine by me.  Just let me know, will ya'?
I'm keenly aware of two things that are important in my life:  Communication and Committment. 
A couple of examples:  Since I've taken on this new project I communicate with this other several times a day.  He's paying me big buck to work with him.  I need to do my best and he needs to know what I'm doing.  Makes for a great relationship when we communicate daily with each other.
Committment:  Years ago Curtis Sensei tricked me into an exercise of committment.  "Kris, you will perform 1,000 udi mawashi every day."  Now this is a simple exercise, raise your arm out, swing it down to your thigh and up around.  Then go the other way.  Take 5 minutes and do 100 of these.  Not so simple is it?  Imagine doing 1,000 of these every day for three months.  This is committment.  I just do it.  There's no thinking about it, there's no asking Buddha or don Juan or love and light or the path with heart to assist me.  I just do it.
Keep in mind that I'm not asking anyone to drop and give me twenty push-ups on an hourly basis.  If the committment is just one small thing, that's fine.  Let's discusss it!    
What are we going to do?  Let me know, I'm fine either way....
Kris

[Mornings Son]

The original purpose was to form a European dreamgroup. It never happen - then Dreamgirl found me in dreaming and Lunoor and I also meet in dreaming. When SHM heard about the group he wanted to join and that was the spark that gave some activity.
So the purpose is? still in the realm of Spirit

[Mornings Son]

As we have no spoken purpose - its difficult to commit to it here. I will post on commitment in MM

[SelfHealedMadman]

~



Lunoor? Did you Dream with MS or not?



I think that would be a good start, if she did....



K

[Lunoor]

Show some patience man, I will be back later to add some comments, no time at the moment.

[SelfHealedMadman]

Lunoor wrote:
Show some patience man, I will be back later to add some comments, no time at the moment.Lunoor, take all the time in the world.
Please keep in mind that that MS's post has been there for several days.  You've certainly had enough time to post other comments about this or that, as well as grab-ass in the chat room.
Commitment.  Priorities.  Purpose.  Goals.  Ruthlessness.  Cunning.  Sweetness.  Patience.
See how this works??
Kris

[Lunoor]

Sorry MS, I missed your dream post, didn't see it until today. I have had a couple dreams with the group, but didn't remember much at all beyond one: I was a nagual woman for the group. Kris--laugh attack man, enjoy. Part of the reason I didn't post that until now is that before I was worried about what you would think then do Mr. Dillar Dolllar and now I don't care so much, grist for the meal when i see it from the center. Thanks.



I am immediately drawn to a dream healing group MS, or having dream healing be a part of this. My dance often focus on healing.



Kris, I remember a dream you had that suggested this be a place of learning, a dream with a massage instructor teaching, now if we are paying attention we are learning no matter what is going on so lets begin here where we are--a little out of focus, some tension, some pain, much potential!, sounds pretty good to me like hap py hunting grounds, like phoenix born from out the flames.



I have to get up early almost every morning without much time to lie in bed to remember and write dreams, there isn't much I can do outwardly to change this but I will put in for more time with intent and see what comes. I will strive to do better.



I don't think it is necessary to be as structured as you suggest. What is needed is our attention, an ear to follow the signs and a acting desire to put the group(s) purpose ahead of our heads. If we grasp for control we'll end up in knots, useless. The group will take more structure when given attention and the spirit's shaping, it will roll like a river, shaped and shaping.



I have been afraid to come out of the closet, to be open about what I think and feel and where I am coming from; those are some knots I will no longer keep. My practice style is non-linear and it is that which comes from me being an unrepeatableunpredictable set of genes and genies plus karmic conditions, chuckle. I practice something each day even if only minding my ID and noting when it pulls me from that other listening. I get pulled what seems like a gazillion times a day but that is hyperbole and I am more in the middle than before. I am often in the moment including the ID, the sounds, the bees, the fleas, the life giving streams. Morning's Mist has been great for me, I am steadily unfolding. It's not my style to write or practice the way you do Kris and I am certainly not as disciplined as you in the area of repeating specific tasks. Likely to post more often when not under duress or stress from someone oddly concerned with other's practice. Being referred to by generic labels like missy and tootsie does not make me want to get with the program, pressure. What works for you may not apply to someone else. Your instructor guys in dreaming suggested you walk in another man's shoes with beneficent reason. Maybe you should try a dress while you are at it and walk backwards.



I will post more often however, you are right I have been lax.



I would like to return to better relating with you Kris, but I won't be patronized and stay quiet about it. I don't consider you to be my nagual or my guru or my teacher except in so far as those shine through you, lately you have been my pt. Yes, that's learning and will make it extra juicey when we can meet in the middle again. When we can laugh about it, together.

[dreamgirl]

What's going on between you two? You sound all fighty. I enjoy all of you in this dreaming group. My feelings on reading this post is that it is to be a healing group - some of the snipits of dreams I am able to recall suggest this. I do think that Lunoor and I are typical Western dreamers, we go deep and have low recall. I do think structure is needed to combat this wild, willy nilly dreaming style of ours. All in all, I think the frustration that is being felt here might be due to the early stages of forming our group, how could it not start off shakey?



I would be open to some dreaming suggestions from a structured point of view at the moment, ususally I am a bit defient and resistant but right now I seem to be in some other sort of groove.



Sincerely, Dreamgirl

[Lunoor]

Dreamgirl, we are all fighty and I had hopes that it would evolve into something else but Kris has dropped the bucket and left the groups even before seeing my reply. Maybe he will reconsider after taking some distance, don't know.



I think this group is in the beginnings and like the I ching hexagram Difficulty in the beginning states, works supreme success:



DIFFICULTY AT THE BEGINNING works supreme success,

Furthering through perseverance.

Nothing should be undertaken.

It furthers one to appoint helpers.



Times of growth are beset with difficulties. They resemble a first birth. But

these difficulties arise from the very profusion of all that is struggling to

attain form . Everything is in motion: therefore if one perseveres there is a

prospect of great success, in spite of the existing danger. When it is a man's

fate to undertake such new beginnings, everything is still unformed, dark.

Hence he must hold back, because any premature move might bring disaster.

Likewise, it is very important not to remain alone; in order to overcome the

chaos he needs helpers. This is not to say, however, that he himself should

look on passively at what is happening. He must lend his hand and

participate with inspiration and guidance.





http://deoxy.org/iching/3





I can be a helper by getting out of my ruts, I made a good break a few weeks ago but they have crept back up on me. I dreamt better when I was mixing the routines up and getting things organised.



I need some time to break from K too, to recap my part in things and then I might write him a note if the signs suggest so but I feel like right now is too soon, I am too close to the emotion and irritation at this time.



Ah, the directions, I think I am a western dreamer who rises in the east again and again. I have an affinity for both directions. The west takes me into the unknown and into deaths and the east heals me and gives life : )

[Mornings Son]

Since I upgraded my way in life and get up earlier. I recall 3 dreams from each night.. Unfortunely I have little time to look at them. I plan to do it here.

On theme is on and that is dreaming about energy bands and merging, talking with or traveling in them - I reflect my daily life well as Seeing energy is very prominent in my daily awareness. Im so lucky that I can practice meditation a lot during my work ))

[Mornings Son]

Will intend to explorer the meaning and use of these bands I find in dreaming

[Mornings Son]

In lucid dreaming I entered a band. Immediately my breathing changed to more relaxed, firm and deeper. My mind became settled and I felt joy and energy moving through me. I could not keep the focus for very long.

I know this state of mind (AP) from awake. great to have confirmed with dreaming that Im aligning.



Next thing must be to find the purpose for us 3 here

[Lunoor]

I have felt a similar ap in waking MS. I find it a healing experience so maybe it has something to do with the healing aspects of our work here.

[Mornings Son]

I have had very little time lately for this forum, alas. I dream and recall them. Blessing to the dream log book and getting up 15 min earlier, so i have time for tea and notes. That makes a HUGE difference for me.



I need to post and reflect on my dreams.