Dreamhackers

[explora]

Yes. Hdoll has some nice dream-power
You visited me last night, with an interesting message about your group and one of it's practises. If you like i will share it here, if not get in touch with me by email..
Ah yes.. And littlecrow i suppose these could have been determined by unconscious waking actions, though i really don't feel this was the case. I suppose it's happened too many times Once with another dreamer overseas, both of us even woke up with the same song in our heads.. (interesting cause it hadn't been released)..

[hdoll]

Our world is riddle. Impossible to explain it by radio waves. The world is our common description - the text file, by which the users cannot manipulate. This is amazing, as many times someone declared the end of the world. Error 2000! Message Of Zetatalk! You do know that the last end of the world was planned on 26 May of 2003 years? But all these small momenta, tuning and efforts cannot destroy the common description of world, which was established for 40 millenia.
In order to explain the Dreaming Together, you must introduce new elements into the common description of world - some code, which would use universal phenomena, although differently. Your new description of world (magic description) will not influence the common description. But if in the world people, which will accept your new elements as guide to action, are located, they also can use these codes. Then world (main programm) obtains the new layer, in which will act special templates - for example, Dreaming Together.
During the life I encountered different phenomens, which enter into the magic description of world. I know about the presence of double, about the wall of fog. I know what intention is. But the first step was the adoption of magic description - the layer for the common description of world. Existence of radio waves does not prevent existence of Dreaming Together for me. These two concepts coexist on the different layers of the description of world. However if you become the user of some special layer, you obtain all its charms. If you become the user of occult layer, you will obtain demons, angels and so forth. If you become the user of mystical layer, you must be ready to encounters with the ghosts. If you are channeler, you have the encounters with NLO and contacts with the "greys". Simply you select the layer of reality and you use his templates.

[explora]

yes.. I agree with what is said above... Interesting hdoll..
Can you tell me more about the 10 master levels?

[hdoll]

This is not a specific question, dear. What you did have in the form? 10 master levels of marketing? Why only 10? Why levels? Why master ones? If abstracted themes please to you, I will describe about the connection between the Tao and skill of dreaming.
With the respect.

[explora]

It was in relation to a dream, about you. In the dream, you were teaching a specific style of dream-stalking in use by your group.. You spoke in a way, which made me think you this was a position available to me.
It also came across with the same tone in which you write.
In the dream. We were walking along a road. You said 'that in dreaming, it is suggested that one should walk with a staff. Imprinted upon the staff, should be the 10 master levels. This would help separate reality from illusion.
Personally. I just wondered to what you were referring. Initially, I believed you to have set up this dream. Perhaps, it was your larger self speaking.
Hope that makes sense,
Thanks Explora

[hdoll]

Hm, hm. This was intercourse with the double. After reading your letter I recalled about the event - but as about very old event of three year remoteness. This is the property of encounter with the double. Man once me rang and persistently was appointed a encounter to me. He named me spyness and it was very agitated. I became interesting, and I met with it. He described this history:
He lost the wallet, in which there was the notebook with the important telephone numbers and the codes. This distressed him strongly. But in two days man rang it, he said that the wallet found and he can return it for the reward. Simple history? No! This businessman only day ago purchased new mobile telephone and even he itself yet did not know number. How someone could ring him - precisely to him? It was solid businessman, with the large matters. He seemed that someone stalked him, and he decided to explain, in what the matter.
At the encounter with the man, who found wallet, businessmen asked, as this man learned his telephone number. Man answered that in the notebook there was only one emphasized telephone number - Hdoll:.... He rang on it, said that be found the wallet of unknown and before he had time continuing explanations, suddenly heard the female voice, which named the necessary telephone number for it. Man rang according to this number and arrived to the encounter with the businessman assigned. This is the second version of history.
My version is similar. When I heard story, I recalled that this event was actually - very long ago; it can be half a year ago. Some unknown man rang me and asked the telephone of another some, and I was named it for him. The matter was actually connected with the lost notebook.
I understood that I deal concerning the manifestation of double in my life. Since then in me were several similar situations. By the way, I asked in businessman, whence it has my telephone and why it proved to be emphasized. Businessman did not remember, when and on what occasion wrote down it. Riddles of the Abstract

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Extra Special post Hdoll!!
How interesting how the double will play these types of events.
Remarkable.

[explora]

Guess I should mention that..
That about 5-10 minuetes after reading your post, my attention was drawn outside.. Sitting on the little fence, I saw two magpies sitting perhaps a metre from another. Couldn't help but think this was some kind of omen? They just sat there so alike..

[hdoll]

As you remember, Don Juan described two different ways of ancient and new seers: 1. from the position of silent knowledge to the reason and from the position of reason to the silent knowledge. I would want to tell about the intermediate point on the path between the reason and the silent knowledge. This position of the Assemblage point named by a dreamhackers as "specularity" or 'mirrority". In the state of "specularity" you perceive yourselves as the clean mirror that is reflected any object, to which you focus attention. This can be man, his feeling and thoughts or this there will be some idea interesting for you. At the moment of "specularity" you become the scanner - the receiving system that reads one or other information.
Thr dreamhackers use this position for the instruction in the displacement of the Assemblage point. They developed two methods: individual one and group one. In the first case they developed a number technician that is necessary to carry out tediously. In the second case they carry out the on-line game, during which the participants are trained to displace the Assemblage point. What a variant select you?

[white eagle wolf]

So Hdoll do you and your colleagues find video games a necessary part of instruction . . .I played video games from the time I was six to the time I was 14 years old an average of six hours a day. Now that I'm 21, I find them a complete waste of time . . .perhaps I don't need them anymore. However, I think this time was very important for honing my dream visualization abilities. I just prefer to live in the real world now.
Peace and Love,
Coyote Cuervo

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Latest studies on the effects of video games on long time players are:
increased ability to keep track of mutiple moving objects,
more purer concentration abilities,
eyes have better vision,
able to deal with stress and high energy levels,
better depth perception.
My seeing has told me that the ability to dream is given to the mind the moment the foreign installation takes over.
By dreaming we escape from the body, this is possible by the
presence of the F.I. who keeps the body living while the main spiritual body goes off.
Without a parasite there is no dreaming in the beginning.
The double body is the gift of the F.I.
Thus another strength given to us.
When one LOSES the F.I. they still keep the double which is
still a human energy creation.
Generated by our life-force the parasite unleashes it for us to use in dreaming if we can access it freely.
Lone Wolf

[hdoll]

People. Do not miss the main thing. Some video game have at their basis labyrinths. Labyrinths are the foreign part inprinted into our consciousness. When you be in the state of disease, obsession or obtrusive states, you fall into the matrix of labyrinth. Then your reaction either develops a grain of labyrinth or annuls it. I proposed videogame for the work with the inharmonious function of dreaming program - when man cannot recall his sleeps. I know that this is the form of disease. So we must begin work from the matrix of labyrinth. In order to enter into it you can use videogames that introduce man into the delirious loops of sleep. I do not call you to develop consciousness through videogame. This would be stupidity. We will employ them only as means for the work with the delirious loops and the labyrinths. As far as on-line game for displacing the Assemblage point is concerned, here another matter. Here we will use a network Internet as the type of the amplifier, with the aid of which I will project on those, who will want this, their state of "specularity". This is initiation at a distance. Although for us hardly this will succeed with my poor knowledge of English. It is possible to try, in any case.
Games will be special. For example, game into the clairvoyance. Represent that we are the beginning actors - we do not know text, we badly understand subject. But we begin rehearsals and gradually become real actors. Now we do not know how to be occupied by clairvoyance. But when we will play into this game, let us understand its subject, each of us will feel this state - "specularity". Or in order to create the ring of force between us there is another game. These are not those videogames about which you speak.

[white eagle wolf]

yes, these games you speak of are far more interesting. . .
It is interesting that you say that 3d labyrinthine games induce delirious sleep for I experienced this a lot when I played games like Duke Nukem, Doom, and Wolfenstein . . .however, I considered these states to be a sever regression from the dreams I was having.
Interesting thought Lone Wolf, about the effect of video gaming, and the existence of the foreign installation . . .
Thank you for making the effort to communicate with us here at this site Hdoll, even though you are not yet fluent with English your spirit speaks through the words.
Aho!
Coyote Cuervo

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Thanks Whiteeaglewolf and Hdoll. I understand the idea of a dreaming loop.
It is interesting to say the least.

[hdoll]

I will allow itself to translated one of the reports from the leader of dreamhackers - Sergey Izrigy:
You know the Trismigist's rule - "that above, then below". To us it is known that many common laws of world appear in the different regions of life in an identical way, but they generate many particular manifestations. For example, we accurately revealed, that the complex of experiences in the dream can be treated as the "bubble of perception", since to face the closure of space, different disturbances of perception near the "walls" of bubble (as that the light, three-dimensional and invoice defects of the received pictures). Still we explained that the passage from bubble to bubble in the dreams occurs only through the transits, which are certain complex "thing/space". I.e., either contact with some of objects/subjects or the fixation in it of our attention leads to the sudden independent from us displacement into another bubble.
But if we will use the Trismigist's rule, then let us be able to assume that the real world is comprised of the "bubbles of perception". In the real they as "degenerating". Let us take, for example, bubble "our house" (apartment). It clearly will lock, although it does not have the visual defects (it can, the program of the tonal better it is fixed by common agreement about the world?). This bubble has several transit places (window, door), which conclude us into other degenerating bubbles (to the street or the staircase). Real world seems us opened. NO! In it there is a heap of the bubbles, into which you never in the life will fall (or you will fall with the observance of clear conditions). For example, for me still never could not be fallen in the depository of any of bank, although I understand, that some people there go. Or let us take in an example the apartment of your evil neighbor. To you to never not fall there - it will not release. Although it is possible to land door and to enter. But then is a version to be transferred on the transit of the "chain of events" into the jail camera.
Thus, the bubbles of real by something resemble the classical, clearly expressed bubbles of dreams, but they have other mechanics of transits. And at the same time, if we take dream in the delirious loop, then this bubble will be characterized by primitivism of pattern. I.e., based on example, this program it is possible to erect the programs of dreams and, further, real. But it means, we should focus special attention on this form of dreams. To attain it, glory to celestial programmers, is possible intended - by simple and to lungs by the method: to carry out long time some fewsteped mechanical and monotonous action.
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However, besides the study of this form of sleep, with the aid of the delirious loops it is possible to solve any problems, to find answers to any questions. It is possible to make any discoveries, as proved Mendeleyev (table of elements), poet Samuel Kolridzh (poem "Kublakhan") and composer Giuseppe Tartini ("The sonata of devil"). That respected by me Patrisya Garfield calls such achievements as "creative sleep". Nonsense! These people randomly stumbled on the method of using for the delirious loops, and since this occurred with them randomly, they did not understand the mechanism itself, which "created discovery".
Let's us look, that this for the method. Let us represent that the delirious loop - is the certain generator, which sorts out the random versions of one sequence or another of actions or concepts. Loop it is a loop. Turns its cycle with the specific clock frequency (which, by the way, is multiple to the clock frequency of the main "chip of our consciousness"). Read a little stories about the inventions or the findings in the sleep. Man "chases Tetris" all day, i.e., he develops the table of elements, solves difficult problem or searches for form of new work. It "sets" delirious loop. That is started in the sleep and it continues to work with daygame's elements. Only now the countershaft of possible versions is occupied not the consciousness of Tartini or Mendeleyev, but the oecumenical calculator of dad Eagle! Hence and the brilliance of the dreaming discoveries.
When this simple mechanics of skies reached me, I decided to make a brilliant discovery. It was necessary to only devise theme and set of the elements, from which the calculator of the universe would add then diverse variants. But it is necessary to say that me has long ago interested the theme - "DNA of reality". What I do understand? Since our world is comprised by several Eagle's emanations, illuminated to unknown to me Assemblage point, which means, in any element of world there is DNA of the reality, where the role of chromosomes play the "certain manifestations" of these illuminated emanations. And Trismigist me it told, give, Sergey, model upward that that below. Take 46 chromosomes in 23 pairs and boldly compile their similarity on the larger scale.
I was armed with two school textbooks, it re-read information about DNA, looked on pictures, drove on a mind according to the diverse variants and left to a sleep. As it was expected, oecumenical computer neglected delirious loop. For me it was possible at some moment to organize the beginning of the cycle (but this main trick, for which it is necessary to learn on the personal experience), and Eagle's calculator approached the work. As a result I obtained the elegant solution of this problem.

[explora]

Very interesting application of 'delirious-loops'!
Hdoll.. I tried out the pyramid experiment.. I'd appreciate if you could get in contact with me at:
explora@dreamofpeace.net
So I could discuss it further.
Thanks, Nick

[hdoll]

Hi.
On one of the Russian forums there is conducted the training on stalking. It carries out Tame Bow, my elder friend. This is some miracle. The open training, on which usual youths and girls gradually come into contact with the wonderful forces of the universe. If you want, I will transfer to you some materials from this forum.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

That would be great Hdoll..please do.
As always I find your articles quite enlightening.

[hdoll]

First a little theory from my friend Said:
There is the matrix of tonal, on which is created the world of daily reality and space of dreams. Visualize press - press of tonal. First you make its impression on the paper, and then on corrugated cardboard. Here you have a world of daily reality and the world of dreams. This is the crude analogy. In reality the tonal consists of glosses. Glosses - these are building block or the unit of descriptive process. But according to the uncle Castanedf we, brothers, is described world. It is more precise, not we, but the special program of consciousness. She stores this description with expansion .bak and makes constant collations. If in your environment there have a element, which is not suitable for description (let us assume the spectre or the speaking dog), appears, program started "doctor Web", who either erases from your memory this encounter or get in to you a installation that this are a hallucinations, "seemed", "appeared". But this I was distracted.
Now we speak about a tonal. From one side this all that we can describe by words. From other side this is the matrix which helps us to describe world (which leaves its impression in the form of our world). So here is stalking - this is the tracking of the elements of tonal.
Many people attempted to reveal a matrix of tonal. For example, Tetragrammaton. Possibly sometimes we will touch this theme, but thus far, for the beginning we will work with the lower position of this diagram - with two elements of tonal (with two emanations of human strip, as spoke dad Carlos), which are called a valence and a sympathy. A valence expresses itself in the numbers, the measures and the proportions - it is much, is small, barely, an enormous quantity, above, it is below, on the seniority, according to the size, on the quality. Sympathy is not entirely that, we became accustomed to what, although she includes the conventional concept. Sympathy is a unconscious, automatic, natural inclination of something to something. In essence, sympathy is described by the spheres of human activity. Let us take the sphere of authority, for example. Each person from time to time revolves in this sphere - he commands someone, he is subordinated to someone, with someone fights for the authority, he rocks "lump". In each family there is its hierarchy of authority. On each workspace have the same. Authority is the sphere of sympathy. As soon as you begin your movements in this sphere, to your actions someone immediately responds - it is subordinated to you or constrains you to the subordination. I.e., as soon as person it falls into one of the spheres of sympathy, it enters into interaction with other people.
But let us take, for example, "love". I widely treat this concept - here to you and a sex, and a friendly relations, and a mammy kisses and everyone this of syu-syu. One additional sphere of sympathy. Here you also enter in interaction with the people. Naturally, two spheres actively are combined with each other. A "authority" and a "love" - sado-maso (sadism-masohism), sexual violence, the career growth through the fucking. But here we can clearly distinguish the predominance of one sphere above another. This you have in the form. The third sphere of sympathy - a money and everything that is connected with them. Fourth sphere is a craft, i.e. work, studies, profession and everything that to connected with them. It was possible to use some other spheres of sympathy. But we will treat these four. Why? Therefore the tradition of magic and magic is such. Take at least the colors of cards - them also four.Stalker is a modest and practical person. Why to it to invent something new? No! He takes a old ones and uses it in a new way. And this distinguishes a stalker from other people.
In order not to boiled your brains, I will sum up the aforesaid: Our study of stalking will begin from two elements of tonal - from the sympathy and the valence. Then, using these two elements, we will create the new description of world - small, compact, effective. This there will be the "master key", with which we will begin to open the secret rooms of our reality. This there will be the certain program language, which will allow us to intercept control over many programs of reality and a human consciousness. Stalking - this is practical activity. After I will acquaint you with the "program language" (by Medici's patience), you will begin to in practice use him for such modest purposes as the personal enrichment (stalker must ensure to yourselves the standard conditions of life in any situation), as influence on the natural forces and as the conversion of different everyday situations.
This not of joke. I am dreamhacker. We made "crak" of reality, and now I can show you a road to the real miracles of our world. And one more addition. To me from you nothing it is necessary - either energy or love - nothing. I lay out this information for that reason, that it require the rule of tonal - one of the abstract nuclei. As it were: it took, return, then you will obtain a new. Briefly, let in we be the equality - I make service to you and supply with information, and you make service to me and you take it.

[hdoll]

Here represented the small selection of a messages from the hacker forum:
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RG:
Before then hackers entered a concepts about a chains of events (CE) and PM, someone Spam placed before them task - the search of a impeccability. Tracking a messages on different forums, I can say that in the medium of Russian dreamers and stalkers there is a mass of errors in regard to this theme. Many attempt to develop a impeccability at random or along the so-called "way of warrior", but not one attempt proved to be successful. The reason for this is placed in our inability to receive the "energy facts" of life. Same this term, until now, produces the mass of the conflicting interpretations. It should be noted that PM (The Patience Medici) gives a good hint to the texture of "energy facts". Moreover, this technique of stalking makes it possible to come into contact with "energy facts" and to test them on self. Nevertheless, PM possesses the heap of deficiencies. Represent that we took liner and cut out in it the opening, equal to value of one of the letters of this proposal. Then we slowly move opening and read by such means of the line of text. I convinced that only with the agonizing stress of memory it will be possible to understand a point of that reading - to say nothing of expressive reading. This analogy completely approaches Medici's patience. And, therefore, for us is necessary another tool for the structuring of CE - including of life. Specifically, this purpose served the text of the strange book, which was called the "Theory of spiritual way". In other words, it is possible to say that the impeccability requires the skill to analyze the harmonic diagram of situation, it is correct to dismember it to complex components, to understand their interaction, to know the typical forms of this interaction and to know how to use them in the rational forms.
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Hi, RG
Before you wrote: "since the "atomic soup" of a potential events proposes to us infinite possibilities, give let us recreate one of the standard and simplified matrices. Namely the matrix, which consists of one and the same CE, but shifted to time in each level."
RG, still do originally we have "atomic soup" or harmonious fabric, woven from the threads of CE? In other words, task in structuring "soup" by its attention, by actions and the like or but to know how use to something that already having structure? On all it is opened to the published information about PM, its essence is reduced to the catching in the assigned sequence from the "general saucepan" that delicious into "its plate". Then from where matrix? From other side, it is worth only beginning to develop chain PM, as events they themselves begin to slip in the necessary order. Does mean structure still to eat and PM does help into it to be poured? Somewhere was thrown out the logical component )
"... the matrix, which consists of one and the same CE, but shifted to time in each level." - for this determination ideally is entered the concept of musical canon, if abbreviation "CE" was replaced with word "theme".

[hdoll]

I continued my short report:
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RG:
Hi Verineya. You grasped a main thought from the theory of accordion best anything it was studied in the music. If we compile this theory to a situational row, then we will obtain interesting correspondences. As to you, probably it is known, at the basis of any complex chord lies the triad; therefore in the classical music main regularities in the interconnection of chords are examined at the level of triads. Here to you an example of two situational triads: 1. the fundamental tone - you gave money to man; mediant - for these money killer will kill your competitor; the quint - you flung these money contemptuously, because you are the wet-nurse of a bandit group 2. the fundamental tone - you gave money to man; mediant - for these money a unhappy woman will purchase foods that will feed your tiny daughter; quint - you gave these money from the clean heart. Question: can we reproduce this riches of situational description in PM? Clearly no! Thus, this is the following step in the structurization of CE, after which already it is seen septakkordic compositions.
However, we can structure the CE according to the formulas of Fibonnachi, with the attraction of higher mathematics and so forth. I.e. we can scientifically prove existence of the "matrix" and of "atomic soup" described by me. These are is two interrelated things. The "soup" is explained by the theory of the holographic universe - i.e., by postulate, that in any particle of whole is concluded the complete information about the entire system. Or, in other words, at any moment of life a man has a probabilistic number of any events. The "matrix" formed the sequence of several events into the certain "harmonious fabric" with the patterns of the specific laws. According to the idea, ancient toltecs was tuned to this "matrix". Their actions were impeccabile, and they fixed "compiled CE" but then foreign action it brought down a their tuning to the "matrix". Now we selects from the "atomic soup" these or other eventsat random , comprising of them incompiled CEs but we we can reveal the program of tuning and again return to the impeccability. In reality this not too complicated. For example, I always can distinguish, when musician "dissembles" either when singer "releases rooster" or when pop-star sings not in the tone. Here with the same ease it is possible to determine the impeccability. Main thing, to manufacture criterion and to collect a little experience.

[NagualHuman]

It always ends on the same place...

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