Finding energy producing realities in dreams

[bluedreamer]

Hows about a you people's party?

[Nomad Soul]

I'm not an ass... I'm an ****.




At any rate I'm not for or against ANYTHING... but I do like to make strong points sometimes.




I want something for myself. Others want other things... but they pretend to want what I want.




I say to them "you want freedom?", they say "yes" and I say "No you don't. All your actions are going somewhere else."




And then I get many forms of the same statement: "*** you."




In short: Get real people. If you don't want "freedom", seek other things with full enthusiasm, but if you lie to yourself, don't do it next
to me. I won't be confirming your lying statements.




That would make me your enemy and not your friend.

[bluedreamer]

Dude you are being ridiculous, you don't know me yet you declare yourself my enemy, go take your backpack walk you have been talking about for months
now--the city is getting to you.




I wasn't even thinking about what you posted on this thread in my initial response here, another spirit expressed something that I had been thinking about
and he did it well, that is why I posted.

[Nomad Soul]

Lol! Okey!




To get clear to those who don't read me:






If I agree with your lies, I'm not your friend. Only your enemies feed your self-deception in order to exploit
you.

[Blue totem]

Well people, you have to understand that GS is an ****, because he thinks it makes him look like Don Juan.


He thinks that if he looks convinced that he is right all the time, and acts like an ass, that makes him like a morbid sorcerer.




Now you people are wasting your time on him. He won't change. He has too much ego.


And obviously, his mentality is flawed. He will always point back to you, with his bullshit talk.


Of course he doesnt make sense. But he acts like he knows something, which is his game plan.




So don't waste your time on him. He is careless, and he likes it like that. He admits he is an extremist and a ****.

[Nomad Soul]

Blue totem wrote:

Well people, you have to understand that GS is an ****, because he thinks it makes him look like Don Juan.


He thinks that if he looks convinced that he is right all the time, and acts like an ass, that makes him like a morbid sorcerer.




Now you people are wasting your time on him. He won't change. He has too much ego.


And obviously, his mentality is flawed. He will always point back to you, with his bullshit talk.


Of course he doesnt make sense. But he acts like he knows something, which is his game plan.




So don't waste your time on him. He is careless, and he likes it like that. He admits he is an extremist and a ****.


I must be doing something right.

[Blue totem]

Everydoby is telling you you have a problem. So deal with it.

[Gonzo]

I'd like add a comment here, a famous line by Harry Truman: "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."




No one is being forced to respond to GS. If you don't like what he says, ignore him. Otherwise, be prepared to be skewered. Is he right? Is he a
wannabe don Juan? It doesn't matter. If anything matters, it is one's reaction to what is said. Why are you insulted? Why are you pissed off?

[Nomad Soul]

Blue totem wrote:

Everydoby is telling you you have a problem. So deal with it.


Said the expert on dealing with his own issues. And I had the inclination of helping you... (beyond nagging you to death, that is)




Don't worry be happy Blue Totem. Good luck with that.

[docta lee]

I think Gonzo nailed it on the head.




GS is a valuable guy to have on here and the chat.




Sure he pissed me off more than once, but he is proving a point by purposely antagonizing some of the members to point out that are just doing idle chat.and
knocking their self importance off the wall.


He is not interested in this, or listening to people whine about how hard life is.




I am not putting him on a throne at all i think he is weird and out of his mind but he has helped ME to see that i can be very defensive.




Whether he means it or not- to be mean or hard-just take him as a petty tyrant,

[Blue totem]

For me, someone with no self control has no credibility.


GS is not self conscious enough to be critical of himself.


He needs to be educated like a little child on social behavior...




So I don't care much about his knowledge of shamanism..


Again, no self control = no credibility, its like that when you are an adult.




By the way Docta, there is nothing wrong in being defensive when someone is offensive towards you.

[Loonie]

Blue totem wrote:

For me, someone with no self control has no credibility.


GS is not self conscious enough to be critical of himself.


He needs to be educated like a little child on social behavior...




So I don't care much about his knowledge of shamanism..


Again, no self control = no credibility, its like that when you are an adult.




By the way Docta, there is nothing wrong in being defensive when someone is offensive towards you.


When living in fear, nobody is credible. At any rate I'm not a nagual (FYI in case you
haven't noticed) nor a super knowledgable dude.




I just know some things you don't, like the rest of the people on the world. It's amazing how much you can learn (even from the wrong people) if you
are open to it.




I would ask you, if you care to answer: Who enjoys your complete trust on this world?




Whoever he is... seek his company, council and advice. It's better than blindly asking anybody you happen to meet on the web, such as myself.

[Blue totem]

''When living in fear, nobody is credible''-GS




What I observe from this is that you judge people incorrectly, and of course assume that you are not one of those people. Its like that with a lot of things
you say GS, you dont think much. Thats what happens you are blindly trying to always have the last word, you stumble again and again, digging a deeper hole.




For Christs sake you admit to being an extremist and an ****, and you are still defending yourself...


Being respectful never goes out of style, remember that.

[Loonie]

Blue totem wrote:

''When living in fear, nobody is credible''-GS




What I observe from this is that you judge people incorrectly, and of course assume... yada yada
yada


Have a nice life Totem.






And a general FYI: Non-judging is not about not doing evaluations, but about reaching a state of awareness.







Most people that say "don't judge" or "you are judging (hence, you are wrong-doing)" are defending their
self-importance.




Amazing... how self-importance turns EVERYTHING into a defense mechanism. You
can't say anything useful without people putting it in the wrong context.




Hence my conclusion: Some of the people here are, in fact, unteachable. The only
way to have real learning then is by quality of intent beyond wantings and imaginings. IOW: Wanting to be free above everything else.




If your priorities are different you are not getting far down that difficult road.




At any rate I'm not condemning anyone, the actual WRONG in judgement. I
don't hate any of you.




If what I say you don't like, forget it. No biggie.




The real trouble is that it
bothers and generally speaking the issue can't be dropped. One can't forget it because some people do condemn.




Who's trouble is that? Certainly not mine.




A person without judgement would simply take what's useful and forget the rest.




As a final note it irks me equally both the "I agree" and
the "I don't agree" because in both cases the so-called recipient of my message is INTERPRETING IT instead of hearing it and THEN
evaluating it.




IOW: What I say is subject to prejudice and never reaches the person fully without distortion.




It's a serious problem and anybody that doesn't fix it will only see
what he/she wants instead of what it is, the point of "seeing".




As for me... don't you worry: I will free you from my disturbing presence soon enough.




I work intensly for that to happen.

[Blue totem]

I'm not reading your **** GS, I'm done.

[Loonie]

Blue totem wrote:

I'm not reading your **** GS, I'm done.
Read this:

[another spirit]

Bluedreamer:


It is more like enlightening over and over.


I do have a desire to bring the "opposites" together.


'GS':


It's amazing how much you can learn (even from the wrong people) if you are open to it.


Me:


Judgement is not understanding. Understanding is the one way bridge to silent knowledge.


Spiritual freedom may not be true freedom.

[Mornings Son]

another spirit wrote:



Judgement is not understanding. Understanding is the one way bridge to silent knowledge.


Spiritual freedom may not be true freedom.




may I add '?' What is spiritual freedom? What is true freedom?

[bluedreamer]

hell no, lol, I heard two different versions of this song on the radio over the weekend and I come back and you are calling yourself loonie, hell no, ha, ha,
ho,ho, he he

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