The Dreaming Body

[dreamgirl]

Do you ever wonder about your dreaming body? Maybe you wonder if it is fully formed, or if you have one at all. I have been thinking about this subject
lately, mostly because I still struggle with my dreaming, and if I have luck with becoming aware in my dreaming it often seems to come out of nowhere, and then
becomes elusive again. Sound familiar? I will try to share with you my own personal observations about this, they are just my own ideas and I don't claim
them as any sort of concrete knowlege - just my musings.




I feel that my dreaming body is fully formed, and I base this on my ability to change dreaming scenes with ease and the fact that when I become lucid I have a
sort of automatic knowlege, which mirrors my intent for my dreaming and goes a step further in how to achieve this intent. These dreams are rare for me, and
instead of getting frustrated about them being so few and far between, I just wait, I know it will get better. In the meantime, it has prompted me to sort of
map out what I think is happening. First off, I feel that I am disconnected from my dreaming body, and that it's my purpose to connect to "her".
I picture "her"(my dreaming body or double) as an upward pointing triangle floating above my head, a thin line runs down to me (the tonal), which I
picture as a downward pointing triangle. Some refer to this as the Higher Mind/Lower Mind. This leaves me with only one thing to do, get whatever is in the
way of my connection with my dreaming body out of the way, foster the strenghtening of this connection, and merge these two sides of myself. Well, I realize
that that is really three things to do, but you get my point, right?




I believe the mystics refer to this connection between the higher mind and lower mind as the Antahkarana. What I am intending to do is strenthen this
connection to the best of my ability. I am positive that I will be guided to do exactly what is necessary to acomplish this. I know that inner silence will
play an important part of this. When I think of my dreaming body, I get the feeling that by cutting off my dreaming at this particular point is the most
pragmatic move she could make. She holds all the cards (actually she always did, I just didn't know it), and now at this jucture in my life, I must
surrender and play her game.




What I most wish to accomplish is to merge these two triangles together, I believe you might be familiar with this symbol:







With love, Dreamgirl

[Nagual LoneWolf]

SURRENDERING TO THE DREAMING BODY__yes.

[greenriverknight]

The eight lower points of your luminosity contained in your silver pictures are unequivocal facts and relate to CCs anatomical model--you feel energetic. They
are-- Reason. Talking, Dreaming, Feeling. Seeing Nagual. Tonal. And Will. However, due to the fine expalantion you have given, I says the upper
purple points of luminosity are two things according to me. Divine Law. Or Illusion. Am I right? You may want to look at the last issue of the Nagualist
Nesletter No. 5 April on that other sorcery board called Sustained Action. C/C drew the luminous egg in college at UCLAwhen he asked don Juan about it so we
could look at it. See for yourself.

[El Espiritu del Foro]

I saw this arrangement before.




Merkabah is called.




If you visualize this you'll help bring both aspects of yourself together.




The background points seems to be the Kabbalah "Tree of Life".




Glad to you see grow so steadily Dreamgirl (the late grand speculator).

[dreamgirl]

Thanks guys for the comments!




Greenriverknight, I am looking for the newsletter - very interested in reading it.




El Spiritu, my steady growth is very much in part by some tips you gave me, most notably the Soul Star Techniques - very healing for me. Thank you.




Dreamgirl

[dreamgirl]

Lonewolf, how old were you when you were given this symbol? The only encounter I have ever had like that was when I dreamt of an oriental man who wrote several
symbols on a "post it" note, he handed it to me and I read it. I have always remembered these symbols and tried to look at oriental languages to see
if I could figure it out. This reminds me of Mornings Sons Egyptian symbols he recieved in dreams. Once when I was seeing a Chinese doctor, we became friends
and I asked him what the symbols meant, I drew them out and he said it meant "Big star" or "Big Power". Have a great full moon.




Dreamgirl

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Very young Dreamgirl.

[Blue totem]

Hello Dreamgirl




Yes I recognize this symbol, it is the ''tree of life'' from the Kabbala...

[dreamgirl]

Hey Blue Totem, yes, I guess it is the tree of life, but really I was just going to put up a Star of David, so I "googled" images and picked the
representation that most appealed to me. Since I am a visual artist, I guess I went for the most bells and whistles that I could find. But, on the other hand I
had made the decision to let my intuition guide me to pick the right one, so maybe I should check out the Kabbala system, I have only the smallest knowlege of
it at the moment, having just skimmed a book or two about Jewish Mysticism in the past, I am a typical Gemini in that respect. Good to hear from you. How is
your seeing project going?




Dreamgirl

[bluedreamer]

Hey dreamgirl, i have just recently begun to check out Kabbala too, having only skimmed it before, lol.

[dreamgirl]

Ha Ha Bluedreamer, that is funny. Sorry to skip out of the chat room right when you got there the other night, but my daughter was having some drama at the
moment. Did you perhaps pickup that link that El Spiritu left for yoga nidra? I left the chatroom without getting it. If you did not, I will just leave him a
message. Good to talk with you!




Dreamgirl

[bluedreamer]

Oh I understand dreamgirl, i had a feeling it was some daughter drama. Here is the download he gave me:




http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1VFHVRBH




bluedreamer

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Sorry Dreamgirl it took me so long to answer. I was most likely 9 years of age.

[Guest]

I missed this post you made a long time ago, but you start with the inaccurate premises: a dreaming body is constructed by you not created for you, existing in a universe outside of your reach. Thus you cannot see it separated from yourself, may see yourself looking differently yet still know it is you and that will mean that you see yourself in another existence, in my opinion you should not unite with something outside of you because it is not you is a living being a dead being and both are harmful for your integrity. A separation between your lower mind that i must see as the undesired parts of your personality reflected upon meeting others and the higher personality that you reflect as parts of others you like and admire is like breaking the sephiroth in two. To achieve the best you can be you have to integrate both as part of yourself like the pale blue and the dark blue connect not separate a totality of a human being.
Also there is a possibility that the sephiroth was the representation of two humans as mating couple the upward triangle being a male and the lower one a female i believe the Thoth tablet said what is up is also down. The ancients were aware of sexuality as part of their totality if you wish to integrate a male with yourself that is fine if you wish a female integrated within you that is not so much, a balanced couple is half male half female. Also if you wish to understand better i would suggest you read Plato the Banquet also known as conversations on love. I am willing to reply if at this time you still have questions.

[Guest]

I missed this post you made a long time ago, but you start with the
inaccurate premises: a dreaming body is constructed by you not created
for you, existing in a universe outside of your reach. Thus you cannot
see it separated from yourself, may see yourself looking differently yet
still know it is you and that will mean that you see yourself in
another existence, in my opinion you should not unite with something
outside of you because it is not you is a living being a dead being and
both are harmful for your integrity. A separation between your lower
mind that i must see as the undesired parts of your personality
reflected upon meeting others and the higher personality that you
reflect as parts of others you like and admire is like breaking the
sephiroth in two. To achieve the best you can be you have to integrate
both as part of yourself like the pale blue and the dark blue connect
not separate a totality of a human being.
Also there is a
possibility that the sephiroth was the representation of two humans as
mating couple the upward triangle being a male and the lower one a
female i believe the Thoth tablet said what is up is also down. The
ancients were aware of sexuality as part of their totality if you wish
to integrate a male with yourself that is fine, there is one male perfect for you in this world, a man that will complete you, if you wish a female
integrated within you that is not so much, a balanced couple is half
male half female. Also if you wish to understand better i would suggest
you read Plato the Banquet also known as conversations on love. I am
willing to reply if at this time you still have questions.

[Guest]

I missed this post you made a long time ago, but you start with the
inaccurate premises: a dreaming body is constructed by you not created
for you, existing in a universe outside of your reach. Thus you cannot
see it separated from yourself, may see yourself looking differently yet
still know it is you and that will mean that you see yourself in
another existence, in my opinion you should not unite with something
outside of you because it is not you is a living being a dead being and
both are harmful for your integrity. A separation between your lower
mind that i must see as the undesired parts of your personality
reflected upon meeting others and the higher personality that you
reflect as parts of others you like and admire is like breaking the
sephiroth in two. To achieve the best you can be you have to integrate
both as part of yourself like the pale blue and the dark blue connect
not separate a totality of a human being. 
Also there is a
possibility that the sephiroth was the representation of two humans as
mating couple the upward triangle being a male and the lower one a
female i believe the Thoth tablet said what is up is also down. The
ancients were aware of sexuality as part of their totality if you wish
to integrate a male with yourself that is fine, there is one male
perfect for you in this world, a man that will complete you, if you wish
a female
integrated within you that is not so much, a balanced couple is half
male half female. Also if you wish to understand better i would suggest
you read Plato the Banquet also known as conversations on love. I am
willing to reply if at this time you still have question, i am happy that someone managed to post my sephiroth correctly.

[Littlepaw]

Dear Persyd,



I am interested in what you are saying about there being one member of the opposite sex who completes the other in this world. Is it recommended that we make an effort to consider this important or is it more like something that will happen naturally at a time when or if we are ever ready?



With chuckles,



Paw

[fabs]

I see the dreaming body as a vehicle that is adapted to the second attention. It is fair to say a dreamer is constructing it and completing it by 'being' in these planes of vibration but we are looking at uniting and being a totality even if when switching back to daily awareness, the change may feel like there is a division. By making it disappear and re-appear in dreaming or even by just seeing it as energy, I have finally realised that we are awareness before all and the physical-like 'view' of the energy body is a projection adapted to our journey. Dreamgirl, I believe it is possible to merge the two sides you describe in dreaming. Intending in dreaming is powerful so if you intend to reach your totality, your energy body will know what to do and trust that your whole being intends to unite...how it happens is particular to you.

[dreamgirl]

Wow, this is an old post, but it is very relevant to something that is going on right now. It is a piece of a puzzle so to speak.



PerSyd, yes you are right, i was mistaken at the time as to what was happening to me. Now, three years later, I am understanding what I was sensing. It does have to do with some things that you have been talking about lately. I have not connected all the dots yet, but what I am remembering is quite astounding. We do need to discuss this, let me wrap my head around it better and I will post what I think was happening to me in another part of this forum, it does not seem right here, but I will let you know where I post this.



What you said about the lower mind and higher mind being separated is what i was working on, integrating both within my self to be complete/whole, as the Jungian model points to. But there was something else going on that I sensed, I am very interested in what you seeing will tell you as to what was going on. I also understand about the Sephiroth being a symbol of a mating couple, and this relates to what I would tell Little Paw: yes, your other is out there, but the kicker is that you will never be with that perfect person for you until you have integrated all the parts of yourself. So, use this map to unite the lower mind with the Higher personality, then you will be able to have a true, co-creative relationship with someone else, which is called "Right Relationship", it has the power to heal all that is around this relationship.



fabs.nagual, thanks for your comment, I totally agree that my energy body knows what to do, even if I am confused. It is a very particular journey for each of us.

[Guest]

I will tell you another thing dear girl you are not right, it is the mark of Chaim, the sephiroth that killed Moses in Egypt and was thrown after Ramses, they will heal that when they will learn that diagram, by the looks of it they still did not well this one.
I will tell you the very sad story of a blonde girl that once was alive even if barely as it was told to me by her mother when she showed me her picture and told me her name, just as she showed me all her children and husband. Her dead father hated her for creating him a hole in the double and her mother wanted to be her, not mother an offspring so she was ofter wearing her clothes managing to age herself so much more. The girl had such sad story that in the summer of 2003 i pitied her and wanted to meet her. I saw the blonde unlucky being never loved but shielding her disappear in the dreams of another world that died just like the people that square were in died. Her long hair flowing back, her pink dress so beautiful and classy i thought she was younger then she looked yet i remembered she had another sister named after a lake. So i did another thing for her i danced in the same square with my husband wishing her joy and happiness then a few years ago i found out with great sorrow she was sick almost dying. And i exchanged clothes with her hoping that kind my nature and the warmth i was conceived in would somehow aid her, would melt her young petrified heart, then she wanted to unplug me and the power hit back killing her before her time. She was younger then me, appeared kind when i met her again she accepted my last gift of the mark of Chaim.

That is how i know who you are dear girl, your post is what i gave you in the note that is the mark of Chaim yet for that you will need to see me as me and you as the corpse you are. I never died for you however i washed and i dressed again i did not like
much that old blouse even if my mother have given it to me with all her
love, was never her fault that the fabric got tainted i exchanged that into something more appropriate for my skin tone and my hair color. The gypsies from my town have a word: as much dye as the woman uses as much perfume that she puts on herself, she will never be anything but her own self even if she hides a premature rot. I will see you tonight in dreaming dear dear child, it is that time, you do not know what the last symbols are do you? And you wish that your lower mind will share them with you please i will show to you just what i showed your mum, that is how i got rid of that one now she runs when i appear, bring a guest there is another that needs to learn how about your sister. See you in dreams child,

[Guest]

I will tell you another thing dear girl you are not right, it is the
mark of Chaim, the sephiroth that killed Moses in Egypt and was thrown
after Ramses, they will heal that when they will learn that diagram, by
the looks of it they still did not well this one i met in here.
I will tell
you the very sad story of a blonde girl that once was alive even if
barely as it was told to me by her mother when she showed me her picture
and told me her name, just as she showed me all her children and
husband. Her dead father hated her for leaving him with a hole in the double
and her mother wanted to be her, not mother an offspring so she was
often seen wearing her clothes managing to age herself so much more. The girl
had such sad story that in the summer of 2003 i pitied her and wanted
to meet her. I saw the blonde unlucky being never loved, shielding
her disappear in the dreams of another world that died just like the
people that once built the square we met in died, she never saw me but i did see her. Her long hair flowing back, her pink
dress so beautiful and classy i thought she was younger then she looked
yet i remembered she had another sister named after a lake. So i did
another thing for her i danced in the same square with my husband
and my best friend and her husband wishing her joy and happiness then a few years ago i found out with
great sorrow she was sick almost dying. And i exchanged clothes with her
hoping that kind my nature and the warmth i was conceived in would
somehow aid her, would melt her young petrified heart, then she wanted
to unplug me and the power socket was damaged and it backfired killing her before her time. She was
younger then me, appeared kind when i met her again she accepted my
last gift of the mark of Chaim.

That is how i know who you
are dear girl, your post is what i gave you in the note in dreaming, that is the
mark of Chaim yet for that present you will need to see me as me and you as the
corpse you are, the main thing that incubated on my back. I did not die then, however i washed and i dressed
again i did not like
much that old blouse even if my mother have given it to me with all her
love, was never her fault that the fabric got tainted i exchanged that
into something more appropriate for my skin tone and my hair color. The
gypsies from my town have a word: as much dye as the woman uses as much
perfume that she puts on herself, she will never be anything but her own
self even if she hides a premature rot. I will see you tonight in
dreaming dear dear child, it is that time, you do not know what the last
symbols are do you? And you wish that your lower mind will share them
with you please i will show to you just what i showed your mum, that is
how i got rid of that one now she runs when i appear, bring a guest
there is another that needs to learn how about your sister. See you in
dreaming child,

[Guest]