Loss of Illusion

[Kristopher]

~Think of a man who loses his job and sinks into despair
because he personally identified with his work to such a degree that loss of
job means loss of self or loss of manhood. 


Think of a woman who undergoes a similar crisis of identity
due to divorce, with the attendant loss of her primary identity structure. 


Think of parents whose lives lose all meaning due to the loss
of a child, or someone who's lost all hope and joy due to some bad news from
the doctor. 


Losses like these can make us feel like we've lost our core.
We might feel we can't recover from them, and maybe we can’t. 


When we believe in the world outside of ourselves, gain is
often perceived as good and loss as bad. When we stop believing in a world external
to self, that reverses: gain becomes bad and loss becomes good. 


Nothing we can lose was ever ours in the first place. All we
can ever lose is illusion.

[izuba]

Kristopher wrote:...
can ever lose is illusion.
 
it's an interesting idea
I think it's true for personality. but only for it
observer who watches can look at the person as a mechanism
and see how the illusion is born
it is not compatible with the mind
need to move to will

[NagualHuman]

illusion were never born in the first place and are not compatible with the will, that is definitive as as driving force toward fire of within,

the move that is the first mechanism, thus seeing such a proccess as needed is petty self-importance and interesting is really, nothing.

[NagualHuman]

I am glad that we came, in the end, to mutual agreement accepted by all sides.

[izuba]

NagualHuman, how do you think will lead to a fire of within?
I feel that being in the abdomen area gives a vision of rationality in the head.
at this time the head is not "I"
But I do not feel how moving on

[NagualHuman]

Tongue is resposible for reaction, in the sex tongue is the most intimate connection with heart, when body reaches orgasm it lead by heart pressure which grows as the heart is most intimately connected with the tongue receptors, the tongue begins to burn with the pleasure sensation, at the dragons this lead to annihilation, and so eyes become to blur within the fire from within and rupture in reality, this may hurt the eyes, like looking straight into sun - make you blind and also overdoes the one that is now by following the need of move to burn away reality, die, create intended realm behind this one.
If you are interested in this topic, more please read in lust my last responsee in thisss postinX - link bellow, roaringly sizzling, the "R" must come with trashing sound, that creates vibrating sensation in the tonsils area, like the sound of the crow, but lower like whirring, snarling, also the shift comes into forehead - mind area by stretching muscles around ears and on the back of the head, through and with jaw followed and induced by squinting and quick blunt moves of head, like if you are switching sight when in crow form, that is one method of shapeshifting.

This is the thread, most important is the sexual practise and use on which is it builded, the shapeshifting fire from within that is described technically here is practically the last post.

http://sorcery.yuku.com/topic/5439/STAL ... yAmJ87200k

Abdomen techniques which serves to rooting are of bluntly aggressi, hollow death voice, but that is a tun heavy ball of rock on your body, connected by third eye - wooden toothpick on which you hold it, the whole world, its important to understand that it cannot be broken, as it is holded by will, but may induce fear or expectation of smothering, thus has nothing to do with fire from within and is more like death from within, heart.

Together these two are practise called milking poison of dragon by thin paper, for Antidote creation.

I forgot about opening mouth with upper cheek muscles inducing upper threshold of eyesight and thus warblinking. followed by swift tongue, licking move. shallwe would do this technique, leads to fire from within, which in sexual definitision orgasm. but everything is sexual energy.... so what ??
Doing techniques described, leads inadvertedly to fire from within and death without = dreamings.

I am not sure if you are so much practical, but this is metaphorical, so if you are more of technical person, maybe it will help to all sides to correct my misstakes through this practise.
Or not, maybe.

[bit shiny]

think of a woman who
creates a tension
don't relegate it to a gender issue
picture a man who creates s tension
again don't relegate it to a gender issue
no assume responsibility for the other s awareness
to the left hand to the right
do what know what the other is doing
now to the tension of relegated pressure
assume responsibility
yet water will not wait for fire as
fire to water
reflection
and birth
non static
stare into a pond ?
water
throw a stone ?
ripple
assuming responsibility for another
being
unison
complete union ?
totality
to fly into the sun
or a pond
either either
stasis
the ability to witness another honestly
that is freedom
coveting that other bondage
unclean exchanges
fire held beneath a bridge
pokes with a stick
that s a problem
two holding hands together
they hold it [together]
its inside you
and when
there are not two

[Draco Fellicci]

Very... Enlightening thoughts and phylosophical poetry,
From the looks of it, unbending intent is some sort of a provocative and imaginative exhibionism,

which reason is to make others to watch some goal, you are pointing towards, it makes me think that sorcery is a narcism,
because if silence is the fabric of universe, that would mean it is for everyone somewhere else with our originality.
If so, what are the perameters you are using to do it so ellusively apprehending from silence, are you even interested in the thoughts that were here before ?
It looks like you have some kind of a strange answer for whole world around,
and that makes me confused about your words because me thinking it is more about spinning layers of silence to compact meaning, then dominating the ours creative endlessness..

[bit shiny]

you could always join a monestary of monks if you liked .

then you could tell us all about silence endlessly for hours ,
dream of a man

he has a knife
we travel through

a maze type place
stairs

upwards
he is behind

i lead the chase
he has somebody else with him

he cannot keep pace
eventually and un eventfully really
i remove his knife at one point
because it is the faulty steps

of a kind of depressive state he has fallen into

and i ask what has happened to you now then ?
why this

[Draco Fellicci]

I like that, but I do not know if you ment it in joke, it looks like you like hell of fun, you sorcerers

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