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Do you guys think there is anyone who is above beyond being stalked? I don't think so. Mind you, if I came across DJM I wouldn't bother, him being impeccable. Think I just answered my own question there. No point in stalking someone impeccable, cos there is nothing to stalk-they are already doing it.
Does anyone regard it as a hostile act?
I don't want this to turn into a mud flinging session, but I noticed that Lujan Matus was very freaked out by the idea of being stalked. I never asked anyone about it on the PP forum why he got so angry when he thought someone was stalking him, even in a spirit of friendship. His objection was always expressed very aggressively as an accusation of something very wrong and inappropriate, like there was something disrespectful about it! It was my first experience of a sense that all was not quite right in Lujanland.
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Being stalked is to most unpleasant I would answer thus to master stalking one must stalk with invisible movement and sense.
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I don't deliberately set out to stalk people but I notice what they do and say. I know enough of my own tricks from stalking myself to see the ruses of others pretty ably, I am sure I have my blind spots though. If someone comes into my territory with ill intent or disrespect these days I sometimes give this if the moment begs it:
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Nagual LoneWolf wrote:Being stalked is to most unpleasant I would answer thus to master stalking one must stalk with invisible movement and sense.Buddha was said to have stopped a stampeding elephant by meditating on love. Now that's some serious stalking
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Turin, to respond to your post...my own discovery (what I learned) from my expereinces is there is tremendous beauty in flaws and imperfections. So I shifted my perception away from looking for the perfect, to the warm feeling of everyone being in the mix together. I think some people still value perfection in actions and in a specific person. But its really impossible, because mistakes actually lead to interesting and valuable discoveries, provide the canvas to work from, so we are all meant to be flawed! Because looking how the puzzle all fits together, its actually perfection.
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Excellent Wei, the power of imperfection!
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Even imperfect elephants?
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Especially imperfect elephants. Then maybe one day a group of humans will charge upon this elephant and he in turn will meditate upon love.
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interesting thought...I never thought of stalking as having anything at all to do with love. Stalking is clear minded, intentional, and illuminating. An exercise to discover self. I guess others do it for their own reasons...perceived power, ego, unconsciousness...whatever. Everyone has their own goals I guess...
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In the story of Buddha, the elephant charged in rage for feeling wronged or threatened in some way, the love was Buddha's view of what was the reality for the elephant. Since Buddha's goal was enlightenment, getting beyond ignorance (incorrect view) was the challenge.
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Hi Turin,
I doubt if there is anyone "immune" to stalking, as, if it is carried out impeccably, there is no way to tell it is false,................coz it,s not!
Whether or not, it is a hostile act, would depend on the motivations behind it. Having said that, most folks, find it objectionable to be manipulated. People like to feel they have made a willing choice, and stalking bypasses that illusion.
A "warrior", of course, would not object. It is just another enviromental factor, to dealt with, impeccably.
Viewed from an appropriate perspective, being stalked is both funny, and educational.
I was once fortunate enough to be "stalked" by a couple of master con-men, in India, ( one Canadian, one Indian,), who worked in unison, to effect the most astounding con on myself and my friends.
Even though, I knew they were up to something, I could,nt help being pulled along by the momentum of thier acting.
In the end, they got a ****-load of traveller's cheques from us, and we got the most superb demonstration of thier art.
I guess, I should have felt outraged, or otherwise upset, (as one of my companions did,....extremely!), yet, I could,nt stop laughing at the sheer wonder of thier performance. I felt truely priveleged to have been allowed to see it.
Just depends how you look at things.
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Dear snowblind..... if you are clear minded..it allows you to work from the heart, intentioned in my case is for the highest good of all..from that aspect of love and, being illuminated is love to me. i agree sometimes it is to seek yourself...again in our unity aspect, that is love. i stalk the truth..so that those i stalk, can have the choice to heal discrepancies between spirit and personality..bringing them back to the opportunity of unity and therefore love.
all issues arrive back to the perception, that love was not present in the situation.
Of course i can only speak for myself, but i assure you that in my case..the only reason to stalk is to love xx
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Like the beatles say, '' All you need is love '' trump trump trump trump trumpe--t
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Stalking stalking others, this is what I see fwiw.
The concept of stalking others, as well as the supposed best reaction to it, are agreements a small group of people came up with...but is not, in fact, an agreement shared by the world at large. In other words, stalking others is a game a small group of people play to exercise (and feed) their ego and self importance and to use to ultimately see themselves as better than others who don't react in the agreed to way (maybe in an effort to help them fully get that there are no guides save for themselves???). Those knowing the game, of course, are well versed in the agreed to way to react and therefore perform the agreed to reaction as though they are, through their performance, now a master rather than an actor. Sort of like sparring karate with unsupecting citizens (punching and kicking them from behind) and assuming that although they have studied karate themselves that they should have no reaction. However, try as this small group might (and you try and you try, and you try), you always get the same reaction. Einstein's definition of insanity is doing to same thing over and over again expecting a different result. If you come at someone with a sword, invariably, the person will raise their shield...the pattern is as the pattern is.
It would seem to me, that if one truly wanted to play a game of stalking others, to truly test their skill, that they first seek the agreement of the other to play the game.
And, it would seem to me that impeccability demands that one does not do anything that does not yield a benefit.
But that's just me.
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Welcome Sedna.
Yes, as warriors we are only looking for benefits. The world at large is where all the immersion in ego and self importance often goes unchecked.
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Nagual LoneWolf wrote:Being stalked is to most unpleasant I would answer thus to master stalking one must stalk with invisible movement and sense.
To re-iterate my questions in regards to stalking others:
Why is it necessary for a Seer to stalk other people? It seems irrelevant. If I can see you, my need to stalk you would be nil.
What is the point in stalking others, that is what is the end result that we hope to achieve by this means?
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Enchantra wrote:Nagual LoneWolf wrote:Being stalked is to most unpleasant I would answer thus to master stalking one must stalk with invisible movement and sense.
To re-iterate my questions in regards to stalking others:
Why is it necessary for a Seer to stalk other people? It seems irrelevant. If I can see you, my need to stalk you would be nil.
What is the point in stalking others, that is what is the end result that we hope to achieve by this means?
Not to move the AP, not to gain fluidity, not to gain personal power, but to help the other person, yes? Do I have this right?
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What is the point in stalking others, that is what is the end result that we hope to achieve by this means?To help them see too.
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Nu Lang wrote:What is the point in stalking others, that is what is the end result that we hope to achieve by this means?To help them see too.
Sorry to be a bug here, how does this work? Can you give me an example? Would it be like
"I see you are doing such and such, or that this really seems to bug you."
Or more like "When you do this, it really means you feel this way."
And you point these things out to them? IS there an agreement then on both parts, to take part in this? If not, how receptive is the other person to being stalked in this way?
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Also, can someone tell me where this idea of stalking others came from?
I can find no reference to it in any of Castaneda's works, nothing from the Witches. Ruiz says nothing of it, nor does Theun Mares. I have also contacted Kris Raphael, founder of the Toltec Nagual Forum, but am awaiting his response.
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Enchantra wrote:Also, can someone tell me where this idea of stalking others came from?
I can find no reference to it in any of Castaneda's works, nothing from the Witches. Ruiz says nothing of it, nor does Theun Mares. I have also contacted Kris Raphael, founder of the Toltec Nagual Forum, but am awaiting his response.
I always understood the stalking "others" twist on the original idea was borne in the Theun Mares community, but I have no links or literatire to offer regarding the understanding..
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(Can't find an "edit" button. "Literature", not literatire.)
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Enchantra wrote:Also, can someone tell me where this idea of stalking others came from?
I can find no reference to it in any of Castaneda's works, nothing from the Witches. Ruiz says nothing of it, nor does Theun Mares. I have also contacted Kris Raphael, founder of the Toltec Nagual Forum, but am awaiting his response.
There's no explicit reference, just example after example in practically everything don Juan and other Naguals did with CC. First to come to mind is don Juan's stunt teaching CC about no pity when he pretended to be an decrepit old man.
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