Beyond Stalking

[Guest]

Ninth, is there a reason why you are copying posts and not giving any commentary in them?

[Gonzo]

Sedna wrote:Gonzo, do not be so decieved into making conclusions about energy, heightened awareness, and the directing of these just because the people around you cannot describe them.  In all likelihood the people here cannot describe them because they haven't experienced them for themselves...consider that.  The only way one has to describe something that they haven't experienced is in general terms and with quotes.  We can talk about what elephants might be like, but once you have seen an elephant your description takes on a different quality.  Consider that what is missing is that specific quality of description in what has been described so far. 
Actually, some of the folk here have described their dealings with energy and heightened awareness, albeit not on this forum.  My point really is that both are diversions, or let's say attractors, the means by which don Juan garners attention.
One description I can give you of heightened awareness and how it differs from ordinary awareness is that it represents a difference in measuarble brain wave frequencies from beta to alpha.  Almost everyone has had an episode of heightened awareness at least once in their life, and you probably have as well, when one experiences something frightening.  When frightened the body releases adrenaline which causes one's brain's functioning to speed up and that is percieved by the person as time slowing down and everything is noticed in amazing detail.  The other marked difference is that those moments are recorded in a different area in the brain from one's usual memories and remains extremely vivid for the rest of one's life.  Once you have discerned that difference the question then becomes one of achieving that state on purpose and how one might go about doing that.  A car accident props heightened awareness.  It would not have been unexpected for DJ to have caused CC to nearly get in a car accident to prop his heightened awareness, however, if he had that would not have been stalking.  The difference is that DJ knew what he was propping and once propped would have made full use of it and the only use of heightened awareness that DJ had was to record information in CC's brain for later use.  Again, nothing like what is being described in this forum...that is nothing personal, it just isn't.
I think every human has the capacity for emergency reactions.  My only point would be, of what use is that except in an emergency?
To explore whether it is a con is different than exploring whether it has any practical use in one's life.  Consider the car accident in progress and how time seems to slow down for a person allowing them to make a number of small actions which they otherwise wouldn't be able to make in that split second, consider that an ability.  What could one do with such an ability if they could call upon it at will?  What would you do with it?  One thing that could be done with it is that in each of the examples  that were posted, they could have processed all the information that took days, weeks, hours, to process.  That it took more time than a moment to process one can know that they were not propping heightened awareness.  Another use of vivid recall is remembering grocery lists or names of everyone you meet which is great if you are in business.  It is possible that it has no practical uses, but certainly developing the ability to call upon it at will is a part of our totality.
I think it is far more of use to engage in recapitulation and to obtain the guidance of a guru.  Those are practical pursuits of practical use towards achieving the totality of self.
As to energy, reach out an touch someone at the airport with an imaginary finger...tap a person on their shoulder until you can get them to notice.  That is your energy body.  It is real and it is verifiable.  However, much of what is out there is written by people who have never accessed their actual energy body in any practical way.  Just because the people around you haven't accessed their energy body doesn't mean that doesn't exist. 
I've worked with my energy body, as well as my dreaming body.  Both of those activities I feel also work towards the goal of totality of self.
So, go go back, locate where exactly your awareness is housed.  If your complaining is more than just something you do and you are not afraid of a little work, locate your awareness.  
My awareness is not housed.  I remain curious, however, what technique you might suggest for further exploration.

[ninth octave]

datura8 wrote:
Ninth, is there a reason why you are copying posts and not giving any commentary in them?
datura8...
             those three posts #159-160-161,were examples of  when Sedna began to trip up stalking-wize.

[Guest]

ninth octave wrote:
datura8 wrote:

Ninth, is there a reason why you are copying posts and not giving any commentary in them?
datura8...
             those three posts #159-160-161,were examples of  when Sedna began to trip up stalking-wize.
  I see. Thank you for explaining this to me.

[Guest]

Sedna wrote:
Gonzo wrote:

True shamans had a practical use for entheogens, which had nothing to do with their own self-aggrandizement, another point missed by many, those who wish to be recognized and acknowledged as some spiritually achieved, extraordinary person.
So. In my opinion, the whole business of expanded powers, extraordinary abilities, "sorcery", and so on are essentially cons. The problem is the real goal of don Juan's teachings is far too simple and folk need to be tricked into going for it. So they are seduced into thinking about power, and being powerful, and more powerful than their peers. Eventually, perhaps, they re-read "Tales of Power" and the phrase that the goal is to reach the totality of self...NOT to be a super-powerful Nagual.
Gonzo,
I don't know what to say here, however, it makes sense that they are focused on power, they have none.  They don't know they don't want a boyfriend and so cannot act impeccably; they can't make a relationship work with an in-law; they have to painstakingly sort through whether they are being conned or not, in each of those scense there is no power.  It is almost like their brains are running in slow-motion and they are missing most of the details.  You are perhaps not moving as slow as they are and are perhaps seeing more of the details.  But they are focused so intently on power because that is what they need to survive.  Don't mistake their quest for power to mean anything other than they don't have any.  In another context it is the same as freedom is for slaves; power is for people who don't have any.   You sure do make a lot of judgments Sedna. Self-important you are. But I will remind the forum, this is coming from someone who is used to creating multiple alters, even being a different gender, and showing up on forums with what Gonzo calls a con. How's that working for you? I say that, cause you used to like to say that a lot. So when's the NLP going to come in Sedna? When are you going to bring that out of your bag of tricks?
You show up on a forum with a past that will not die. You give yourself away with old habitual posting habits. Fwiw. You attempt to discredit everyone on the forum, malign them that they are not stalkers or sorcerers. And you offer to teach. All the earmarkings of forestwolf/river. No one here aside from Gonzo is going to take you seriously. You can always dupe your famous mark, but not the rest of the audience.
So now you show up here. How's that working for you. What is your intent? Because your intent isn't stalking examples. You know good and well, they were stalking examples. Because you know what stalking is. And you also know what it is not. You have been being very slick and stalking everyone in this forum, the whole time. And you will continue to stalk because you are obsessive.

[Guest]

Gonzo, do not be so decieved into making conclusions about energy, heightened awareness, and the directing of these just because the people around you cannot describe them.
Yes, use your NLP and treat him like a child. Good one.
  In all likelihood the people here cannot describe them because they haven't experienced them for themselves...consider that. 
Consider that you're wrong. If people meditate, they experience heightened awareness.
The only way one has to describe something that they haven't experienced is in general terms and with quotes. 
I'm not quoting.
We can talk about what elephants might be like, but once you have seen an elephant your description takes on a different quality.  Consider that what is missing is that specific quality of description in what has been described so far. 
Yes, here she goes. Slipped up again. Using analogies to try to promote your con. As usual.

Some things never change.
One description I can give you of heightened awareness and how it differs from ordinary awareness is that it represents a difference in measuarble brain wave frequencies from beta to alpha. 
Oh does it? What would we do without your description? I think I shat myself laughing.
Almost everyone has had an episode of heightened awareness at least once in their life, and you probably have as well, when one experiences something frightening. 
Yes, like looking at you in the mirror in the morning.
When frightened the body releases adrenaline which causes one's brain's functioning to speed up and that is percieved by the person as time slowing down and everything is noticed in amazing detail.
Adrenaline? Really? Did you experience an adrenaline rush when you were on chats pretending to be a man and seducing another woman?
  The other marked difference is that those moments are recorded in a different area in the brain from one's usual memories and remains extremely vivid for the rest of one's life. 
And what will be vivid for the rest of one's life is the fact that you always return, under another alias, always with ill intent.
 Once you have discerned that difference the question then becomes one of achieving that state on purpose and how one might go about doing that.  A car accident props heightened awareness.
Yes, and I would call this thread a car accident since you're on it.
  It would not have been unexpected for DJ to have caused CC to nearly get in a car accident to prop his heightened awareness, however, if he had that would not have been stalking.  The difference is that DJ knew what he was propping and once propped would have made full use of it and the only use of heightened awareness that DJ had was to record information in CC's brain for later use.  Again, nothing like what is being described in this forum...that is nothing personal, it just isn't.
Well if you looked harder in the forum you would see some heightened awareness posts But you will discount them with everything else.
To explore whether it is a con is different than exploring whether it has any practical use in one's life. 
Well you certainly wrote the book on cons.
 Consider the car accident in progress and how time seems to slow down for a person allowing them to make a number of small actions which they otherwise wouldn't be able to make in that split second, consider that an ability.  What could one do with such an ability if they could call upon it at will?  What would you do with it? 
If I had the ability I would have you committed.
One thing that could be done with it is that in each of the examples  that were posted, they could have processed all the information that took days, weeks, hours, to process.  That it took more time than a moment to process one can know that they were not propping heightened awareness.  Another use of vivid recall is remembering grocery lists or names of everyone you meet which is great if you are in business.  It is possible that it has no practical uses, but certainly developing the ability to call upon it at will is a part of our totality.
*yawn* And this car accident analogy has nothing to do with heightened awareness.
As to energy, reach out an touch someone at the airport with an imaginary finger...tap a person on their shoulder until you can get them to notice.  That is your energy body.  It is real and it is verifiable.  However, much of what is out there is written by people who have never accessed their actual energy body in any practical way.  Just because the people around you haven't accessed their energy body doesn't mean that doesn't exist. 
How creepy. You reach out and touch people with your energy body. If you're good at doing that, then reach out and touch me while I'm at work typing this. I dare ya. 
So, go go back, locate where exactly your awareness is housed.  If your complaining is more than just something you do and you are not afraid of a little work, locate your awareness.  
Okay egomaniac. Your awareness is located in your brain. It is also located in your dreaming body. When you have mastered your dreaming ability, heightened awareness is a cinch.

[Jessicar.parallelperception]

Drama! Drama! Drama!
Thanks, datura8 (and others, including Alien and earlier, Enchantra) for patrolling the waters.  Seriously! My interest is not in knowing or identifying who "Sedna" is---don't really care.  But the posts  being made by "Sedna" are toxic  and seek to pull others into the maelstrom of her thinking.  And "thinking" it is.  Intellect is not sorcery.  As moderator, you're taking the time to respond to this poster who is acting like a shark and quickly scattering and dividing everyone in her wake. 
I left the drama awhile ago although I appreciate the tenacity in moderating as you are.

[Gonzo]

Sedna wrote:Sedna wrote:
Gonzo wrote:


So you say.  Where does your awareness originate?  From your foot?  From across the room?  Where?  
  
Please tell me for all the work you, and the others here have been doing, that you have at least made it so far as to identify the seat of your awareness...it's not hard to do.
  
For what purpose?.  It's the awareness that is doing the work.  As I posted elsewhere, that seems to be rather like trying to see your own eyeballs.

[Gonzo]

Well, let's continue that analogy. Is the knife aware of its knifeness? Is it necessary for it to be a knife? I have awareness (i.e. knifeness) and I'm content with that.



As to having something to do...I'm occupied sufficiently.

[Guest]

Sedna wrote:
Well enough.
Please provide an example of stalking. What is stalking, to you?

[Guest]

And this is where the plot thickens. Sedna will not reply with an example of stalking because she only knows one method. And that's internet stalking.

[Guest]

Jessicar wrote:
But the posts  being made by "Sedna" are toxic  and seek to pull others into the maelstrom of her thinking.  And "thinking" it is.  Intellect is not sorcery.  As moderator, you're taking the time to respond to this poster who is acting like a shark and quickly scattering and dividing everyone in her wake. 
I left the drama awhile ago although I appreciate the tenacity in moderating as you are.
 
Hey somehow I missed this post.  Thank you for this Jess, to the point, exactly.

[Gonzo]

So toxicity can't be handled? Surely there are talents here able to deal with the "threat"...surely.

[Gonzo]

And furthermore, seems to me true "warriors" would be able to deal with it, other than running away and crying "foul". Where's your mettle?

[Guest]

Gonzo wrote:And furthermore, seems to me true "warriors" would be able to deal with it, other than running away and crying "foul". Where's your mettle?
I choose my battles carefully.

[Guest]

Gonzo wrote:
And furthermore, seems to me true "warriors" would be able to deal with it, other than running away and crying "foul". Where's your mettle?
Gonzo not everyone wants to deal with a troll. It doesn't make any one less of a warrior. If anything, it takes strength to not get sucked into games and the like.
The only reason I'm biting is because I want to see if Sedna can tell me, what a good example of stalking is. I bet my botttom dollar, that she will run away from this exercise however. Because she is not a good stalker. If she really knew her CC, and shes as good as she thinks she is, she would be able to provide an example that would make me in awe of herself. I however, expect to be passed on this. I do not expect her to bite.
but it would be interesting if she did provide an example, so we'll see.

[alien]

Gonzo wrote:
So toxicity can't be handled? Surely there are talents here able to deal with the "threat"...surely.
The threat has already been handled - seen through, revealed, busted wide open.  If you want to play in a toxic waste dump, knock yerself out.  The question might be asked... what are YOU hoping to gain?  What is YOUR agenda?  Knowing who this is, and remembering your last few encounters, why repeat the same old mistakes?

[Gonzo]

If you can't handle a troll, or won't, how will you fare in the bardo? And btw, that we are posting to this thread at all in her regard is an example of being stalked, dontcha think?

[Guest]

Gonzo wrote:
If you can't handle a troll, or won't, how will you fare in the bardo? And btw, that we are posting to this thread at all in her regard is an example of being stalked, dontcha think?
Yes I can handle a troll. Watch me.

[Guest]

So the call is on to curb the toxicity on these threads. Already forest, like in past, you are making people sick. I am flabbergasted by all this. Two long threads with you getting the attention. (How's that working for you)? How long will you last?
I'm not going to allow history to repeat itself, so here's what I'm going to do. I am going to allow for you to answer my post, and only my post, because you're not going to avoid it.
So you will answer my post: to provide an example of stalking. And if you do not, and you just ramble on with Gonzo playing games, talking about awareness, your new topic, I will delete every post you make.
You WILL address my question and provide an example, and if you will not then you will lose your voice. I will not allow you to turn this place into a kitty box with your sludge. So think carefully as you're about to post.
And if you don't like it leave, and don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out....

[Guest]

And Sedna, I have went through and deleted your posts on awareness. I am doing this to give you your second warning. I warned you about deleting posts but I don't have to worry about that. I'm sure if you could, you would tear this thread to bits and pieces. Good thing NLW is prepared in advance. Smart man, isn't he? Too bad for you he is.
This is a thread about stalking. I want, my example *Puts foot down* That is what I want. Either you provide, or your posts go in the dumpster.
And that isn't the law of attraction. That's just karma. it just serves you right.

[Guest]

Sedna wrote:
Thanks.
But again there is no example of stalking given...just saying.
You were given plenty, on numerous occasions. Now it's your turn.
Regarding helping another see, or saying that what they are doing really means xyz...who decides it means xyz? You, the stalker? Self-importance...playing god assuming to know what is and what isn't?
No one can help a person who has brains like a box of rocks to 'see.'
Perception is always false and is always the fault of the perciever. What you saw as a child and thought meant one thing you later see as an adult and think it means something else. This is still true...what you see today and interpret in the way you interpret today seen twenty years from now you will surely interpret in another way. Does your perception/interpretation have any innate value to another? This is what is not clear and no one has offered any examples to back up the premise that it does.
Oh Great Nagual woman, is that so? How I see as a child will be different as how I see as an adult?

Regarding where it came from...it did not come from any of the authors, but instead it came from a small group's skewed interpretation of Castaneda and has since become the agreement that it really is a true technique that all would use if they were real warriors. Imho, however, the issue of the absence of direct examples of it being of any practical use is telling enough to dismiss it as fantasy of ego perpetrated to elevate one's self over another.
Tables are turned. It is your turn to try to give an example of stalking. Your turn. No more games can be played. it's over.

[Jessicar.sorcery]

Knock yourself out, Gonzo.  You're the talent you seek.

[Jessicar.sorcery]

In case you're referring to me, Gonzo, as a warrior running away without any mettle--I consider your comments here as close kin to Sedna's comments.  They insinuate, implying a preconceived condition that suits your own judgments about others.  And, if you'll notice,  I'm not interested in replying to them.  I'm replying here---once---because it's fair for you to know that's my stand.

[alien]

Gonzo wrote:
If you can't handle a troll, or won't, how will you fare in the bardo? And btw, that we are posting to this thread at all in her regard is an example of being stalked, dontcha think?It's the other way around.  Sedna came on the forum and tried to stalk a roomful of stalkers, all the while pretending not to understand what stalking was all about.
I dare say we have now demonstrated to Sheila precisely how it is done.
Busted.