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Power and heart, two fascinating areas of study.
How do we define each in terms of sorcery? Can others define these terms for each of us or are they to be defined by ourselves? I'll share how I define the two.
Power: the ability to make conscious and aware decisions.
Heart: the ability to make conscious and aware decisions.
Oops, did I give the same reasons for both? Looks like I did. To embrace ourselves, our strengths and weaknesses, and still walk in full awareness of what we carry and then making decisions with those traits in mind lends itself to living with heart and power. There is no good or bad, right and wrong, black and white. There are only decisions with the option to make no-decision. When we judge others for their decisions, what is really going on? Do we need from them something that we feel we lack or can't do ourselves? Do we think they are quitting their journey? Do we think they don't care about us?
We can't decide what is or isn't right for other people. We can only decide what is right for ourselves. To decide someone does or does not have 'power' or 'heart' is a judgement. What sort of power does that person hold which makes us feel violated or betrayed? Is that an issue with them or within us?
How do others define 'power' and 'heart'? I'm curious.
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Yes we all have our own definitions, and also will relate to what others put forth.
Here's mine...
Power, its what death cannot defeat, but power utilizes death for transformation.
"Seasons don't fear the reaper...nor do the wind, sun or rain"
Heart in warrior terms...the human face of power...desire to transform...
"We can be like they are...comon baby..."
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Nice definition, RM. How do you think one utilizes death as a transformation? As it stands, we don't know we have used death for transformation until we've knocked at that door. What are some signs one stands in power while they are alive?
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I think any one on the nagual path can answer that easily for themself. We all see death is change, we all have experiened power. Glad you liked the definitions, related.
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For me Power is akin to magic. A person with 'power' will decide not to get on a train that crashes. They will be able to lift something overly heavy if a situation really calls for it, they will have visions, be outside themself, teleport. 'Power' is something truly abstract. It can be witnessed, experienced, wielded even hunted, but nailing as a standard definition would need someone with 'power' themselves. Its a strange thing to try and handle isnt it?
That is i guess the definition of 'power' in sorcery for me. Of course other people use the word differently. So i usually try to go with their definitions now.
Its just quicker for communication. I mean what need have i got to convert people to my way of seeing the world? Decisions like that are up to 'power' to decide, not me.
Maybe i should start calling it 'juju' instead.
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When I think of how power plays out in the tonal...its like there are choices, not logical according to deductive thinking, but better choices, and worse choices. To know ahead of time is ideal, and then to act on it...other times its seen in retrospect and learned that way. So I call this power's designs,...seeing them, and its pretty specific. So I'm sort of answering Kaomea's last question...how do we know we are standing in power?...I say often it can be by the outcome which confirms it or not. But still an outcome is temporary and if we don't like it we can change whats in the future in our actions, awareness.
Case in point...I left a job and thought it was the right choice...but afterwards I did not feel power from the decision, felt more like neutral and hollow. I returned to job and saw there was much there waiting for me.
I was also thinking..death is useful if we feel its mood and if not then its only a concept.
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http://www.energeticsinst...page/characterology.html
Dr JD "I like to see life as a continual journey and live in the journey rather than to think that we could achieve ultimate 'enlightenment'. If we were ever done we would finite the infinite. To think that we’re enlightened on this planet is a li...ttle bit of an ego trip. Moments of enlightenment are simply moments when you are honoring what is, as it is, and acknowledging the order that’s inherent in the universe."
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Power is meaningless if it is self-serving or without heart.
Heart connects you to All which is Spirit and Intent, you can define it however you want, it is up to the individual definer.
Heart=Power, connection to the Force...
but power alone can be heartless
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How nice an assortment of opinions...
Seesaw: Power is abstract.
Abstract
RM: I say often it can be by the outcome which confirms it or not. But still an outcome is temporary and if we don't like it we can change whats in the future in our actions, awareness.
Flexible ie forgiving
bit shiny: Dr JD "I like to see life as a continual journey and live in the journey rather than to think that we could achieve ultimate 'enlightenment'. If we were ever done we would finite the infinite. To think that we’re enlightened on this planet is a li...ttle bit of an ego trip. Moments of enlightenment are simply moments when you are honoring what is, as it is, and acknowledging the order that’s inherent in the universe."
Infinite
A siris: Heart=Power, connection to the Force... but power alone can be heartless
Love
It seems power can be defined. Thank you for your contributions, they helped define something I had difficulty seeing.
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I like your post Kao, wanted to clarify though, its not that I see power as forgiving. I see it as we learn through experiences and so the experiences are intended as they occur. Its the way. For example, leaving my job and then returning proved more valuable to my awareness of such then staying from the beginning, I feel. There's no way to know for sure, but I feel if I had just stayed I would not have explored some aspects that I needed to see. If I was not meant to return, something would have prevented it.
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What i find curious is that there are so many definitions. Even here on a website dedicated to Castanedas stuff people use the word in completely different ways. There is currently no fixed common association to the word amongst us. It means that its virtually impossible to understand what people are saying until we grasp the way THEY use such words. The language of sorcery is in fact nearly redundant.
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For me, power is the force within each of us. Some have called this the "life-force" although I am pretty sure that it survives beyond life. And heart, for me, is the core of something, such as the core of you or I...but could also be the core of an intention or the core of something as simple as soup.
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BarefootInTheSand wrote:For me, power is the force within each of us. Some have called this the "life-force" although I am pretty sure that it survives beyond life. And heart, for me, is the core of something, such as the core of you or I...but could also be the core of an intention or the core of something as simple as soup. from Dai E Zenji's Vow for Awakening (zen sutra)
Our further prayer is not to be extremely ill or to be suffering
at the time of departure, to know its coming seven days ahead so
that we can quiet the mind to abandon the body and be unattached
to all things at the last moment wherein we return to the Original
Mind in the realm of no birth and no death and merge infinitely
into the whole universe to manifest as all things in their True
Nature and with the great wisdom of the Buddhas to awaken all beings
to the Buddha Mind.
personal LifeForce returning to non-personal LifeForce
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And MS's post is saying the same sentiment as mine in "the wind, sun and rain" ..."we can be like they are". So we use different way to describe something we often all see the same, its just our personalities and experiences make our communication style different, but underneath it all are energetic facts that can be accounted for, I say.
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It sounded to me like all were seeing and describing different things using the same words and not the other way around.
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Why all the bullshit? Physics says power is the ability to do work, and it is measurable, as in the definition of horsepower...( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower). As with horses, humans have variable amounts of power available which are measurable by their effects. In addition, humans seem to have psychic powers as well, not so easily measurable but certainly noticeable by those affected. When don Juan talked about personal power, he meant by that, "psychic power", the ability to mess with others or to advance oneself. I don't believe he qualified either as "bad" or "good".
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I think he meant 'Spiritual' power...
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BarefootInTheSand wrote:It sounded to me like all were seeing and describing different things using the same words and not the other way around.
Power = self-mastery
Heart = self-mastery
Everyone defines it in their own way. But wait, how did don Juan define it?
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Gonzo wrote: In addition, humans seem to have psychic powers as well, not so easily measurable but certainly noticeable by those affected. When don Juan talked about personal power, he meant by that, "psychic power", the ability to mess with others or to advance oneself. I don't believe he qualified either as "bad" or "good".
Why you think thats what he meant?
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