06-24-2011, 12:00 AM
Subjectivity
Subjectivity may refer to the specific discerning interpretations of any aspect of experiences. They are unique to the person experiencing them, the qualia that are only available to that person's consciousness. Though the causes of experience are thought to be "objective" and available to everyone, (such as the wavelength of a specific beam of light), experiences themselves are only available to the subject (the quality of the colour itself).
Subjectivity frequently exists in theories, measurements or concepts, against the will of those attempting to be objective, and it is a goal in most fields to remove subjectivity from scientific or mathematical statements or experiments. Many fields such as physics, biology, computer science, and chemistry are attempting to remove subjectivity from their methodologies, theories and results and this is a large part of the process of experimentation in these fields today.
Despite this, subjectivity is the only way we have to experience the world, mathematically, scientifically or otherwise. We share a human subjectivity, as well as individual subjectivity and all theories and philosophies that dictate our understanding of mathematics, science, literature and every concept we have about the world is based on human or individual perspective. Subjectivity is within itself the only truth despite assumptions about subjective "truths" we make. The creation of philosophies is within itself subjective, along with the concept of discovery or creation of ideas.
This term contrasts with objectivity, which is used to describe humans as "seeing" the universe exactly for what it is from a standpoint free from human perception and its influences, human cultural interventions, past experience and expectation of the result.
Objectivity
Objectivity is both a central and elusive philosophical category. While there is no universally accepted articulation of objectivity, a proposition is generally considered to be objectively true when its truth conditions are met and are "mind-independent"—that is, not met by the judgment of a conscious entity or subject.
Objectivism, in this context, is an alternative name for philosophical realism, the view that there is a reality, or ontological realm of objects and facts, that exists independent of the mind. Stronger versions of this claim hold that there is only one correct description of this reality. If it is true that reality is mind-independent, then reality might include objects that are unknown to consciousness and thus might include objects not the subject of intensionality. Objectivity in referring requires a definition of truth. According to metaphysical objectivists, an object may truthfully be said to have this or that attribute, as in the statement "This object exists," whereas the statement "This object is true" or "false" is meaningless. For them, only propositions have truth values. Essentially, the terms "objectivity" and "objectivism" are not synonymous, with objectivism being an ontological theory that incorporates a commitment to the objectivity of objects.
Plato's realism was a form of metaphysical objectivism, holding that the Ideas exist objectively and independently. Berkeley's empiricist idealism, on the other hand, could be called a subjectivism: he held that things only exist to the extent that they are perceived. Both theories claim methods of objectivity. Plato's definition of objectivity can be found in his epistemology, which takes as a model mathematics, and his metaphysics, where knowledge of the ontological status of objects and ideas is resistant to change. Plato considered knowledge of geometry as a condition of philosophical knowledge, both being concerned with universal truths. Plato's opposition between objective knowledge and doxa (opinions) would become the basis for later philosophies intent on resolving the problem of reality, knowledge and human existence. Personal opinions belong to the changing sphere of the sensible, opposed to a fixed and eternal incorporeal realm which is mutually intelligible. Where Plato distinguishes between what and how we know things (epistemology) and their ontological status as things (metaphysics), subjectivism such as Berkeley's and a mind dependence of knowledge and reality fails to make the distinction between what one knows and what is to be known, or in the least explains the distinction superficially. In Platonic terms, a criticism of subjectivism is that it is difficult to distinguish between knowledge, doxa, and subjective knowledge (true belief), distinctions which Plato makes.
Wow, it looks as if this subjective / Objective thing has plagued people for thousands of years.
I wanted to add one more element to these ideas.
In the book of Revelations there is a group,.. "Those that dwell in the earth.'
Re 6:10
And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Re 12:12
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Re 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Re 13:14
And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live
Re 17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
In the Qabalah, the "Earth" would designate the physical world and by extension the psychological realm also. Some people never go beyond that in what they allow themselves to accept as Reality.
It even bleeds over into the "paranormal" regions. It cracks me up when I see a program on the history channel with people like Von Danikan and his crowd.
If there is not an explanation for something it HAS TO BE Aliens.
It could not be any other explanation because their mind cannot accept spiritual beings.
Ninth Octave wrote;
Hey Bob,
That sound you experienced sounds like the pop and opening up of the pineal gland. That is when third eye awareness comes into sight!
Although I never took any heavy drugs or hallucinogenics ( being a product of the 70's culture) I was diagnosed with catatonic schizophrenia with auditory hallucinations at age 14. I was hospitalized with allot of drug addicts whom tripped over the line. We all received the same treatment and therapy since these mimic and masks the same symptoms in the aftermath. Anyway, I believed I felt the popping of my pineal gland at this age. After all this happened I found I could naturally astral project in my dreams and have lucid out of body dreams. This was a very healing time while sleeping! I also had electro shock treatments at age 20 that seemed to mimic the likes of the "sorcerers blow".I had gone more than three months without sleeping because of auditory hallucinations in my youth. I have been told this is humanly impossible. But in those sleepless episodes I learned to combat in sobriety, the "things that go bump in the night" or "flyers", instead of getting the needed R.E. M.
When I had the experience I called stopping the world, I also had "halucinations" and could not sleep because as soon as I would close my eyes I was assailed with visions beyond description. Intricate, constantly changing patterns and faces etc., etc., but what I would not do was to let my thoughts be known to anyone.
Because the "dwellers on the earth",. doctors, authorities, family and friends would have done to me what they did to you. All "well meaning," I'm sure but because of their limited belief system, it would not occur to them that much of what I was experienceing was Real.
That is my point here and will let others share their similar ideas on this vast subject matter.
What is subjective and what is objective? And who are these dwellers on the earth?
I think when we begin to discuss this we will find it goes deeper than we can imagine. And that there are many aspects to this subject matter than there may at first appear to be.
Subjectivity may refer to the specific discerning interpretations of any aspect of experiences. They are unique to the person experiencing them, the qualia that are only available to that person's consciousness. Though the causes of experience are thought to be "objective" and available to everyone, (such as the wavelength of a specific beam of light), experiences themselves are only available to the subject (the quality of the colour itself).
Subjectivity frequently exists in theories, measurements or concepts, against the will of those attempting to be objective, and it is a goal in most fields to remove subjectivity from scientific or mathematical statements or experiments. Many fields such as physics, biology, computer science, and chemistry are attempting to remove subjectivity from their methodologies, theories and results and this is a large part of the process of experimentation in these fields today.
Despite this, subjectivity is the only way we have to experience the world, mathematically, scientifically or otherwise. We share a human subjectivity, as well as individual subjectivity and all theories and philosophies that dictate our understanding of mathematics, science, literature and every concept we have about the world is based on human or individual perspective. Subjectivity is within itself the only truth despite assumptions about subjective "truths" we make. The creation of philosophies is within itself subjective, along with the concept of discovery or creation of ideas.
This term contrasts with objectivity, which is used to describe humans as "seeing" the universe exactly for what it is from a standpoint free from human perception and its influences, human cultural interventions, past experience and expectation of the result.
Objectivity
Objectivity is both a central and elusive philosophical category. While there is no universally accepted articulation of objectivity, a proposition is generally considered to be objectively true when its truth conditions are met and are "mind-independent"—that is, not met by the judgment of a conscious entity or subject.
Objectivism, in this context, is an alternative name for philosophical realism, the view that there is a reality, or ontological realm of objects and facts, that exists independent of the mind. Stronger versions of this claim hold that there is only one correct description of this reality. If it is true that reality is mind-independent, then reality might include objects that are unknown to consciousness and thus might include objects not the subject of intensionality. Objectivity in referring requires a definition of truth. According to metaphysical objectivists, an object may truthfully be said to have this or that attribute, as in the statement "This object exists," whereas the statement "This object is true" or "false" is meaningless. For them, only propositions have truth values. Essentially, the terms "objectivity" and "objectivism" are not synonymous, with objectivism being an ontological theory that incorporates a commitment to the objectivity of objects.
Plato's realism was a form of metaphysical objectivism, holding that the Ideas exist objectively and independently. Berkeley's empiricist idealism, on the other hand, could be called a subjectivism: he held that things only exist to the extent that they are perceived. Both theories claim methods of objectivity. Plato's definition of objectivity can be found in his epistemology, which takes as a model mathematics, and his metaphysics, where knowledge of the ontological status of objects and ideas is resistant to change. Plato considered knowledge of geometry as a condition of philosophical knowledge, both being concerned with universal truths. Plato's opposition between objective knowledge and doxa (opinions) would become the basis for later philosophies intent on resolving the problem of reality, knowledge and human existence. Personal opinions belong to the changing sphere of the sensible, opposed to a fixed and eternal incorporeal realm which is mutually intelligible. Where Plato distinguishes between what and how we know things (epistemology) and their ontological status as things (metaphysics), subjectivism such as Berkeley's and a mind dependence of knowledge and reality fails to make the distinction between what one knows and what is to be known, or in the least explains the distinction superficially. In Platonic terms, a criticism of subjectivism is that it is difficult to distinguish between knowledge, doxa, and subjective knowledge (true belief), distinctions which Plato makes.
Wow, it looks as if this subjective / Objective thing has plagued people for thousands of years.
I wanted to add one more element to these ideas.
In the book of Revelations there is a group,.. "Those that dwell in the earth.'
Re 6:10
And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Re 12:12
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Re 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Re 13:14
And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live
Re 17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
In the Qabalah, the "Earth" would designate the physical world and by extension the psychological realm also. Some people never go beyond that in what they allow themselves to accept as Reality.
It even bleeds over into the "paranormal" regions. It cracks me up when I see a program on the history channel with people like Von Danikan and his crowd.
If there is not an explanation for something it HAS TO BE Aliens.
It could not be any other explanation because their mind cannot accept spiritual beings.
Ninth Octave wrote;
Hey Bob,
That sound you experienced sounds like the pop and opening up of the pineal gland. That is when third eye awareness comes into sight!
Although I never took any heavy drugs or hallucinogenics ( being a product of the 70's culture) I was diagnosed with catatonic schizophrenia with auditory hallucinations at age 14. I was hospitalized with allot of drug addicts whom tripped over the line. We all received the same treatment and therapy since these mimic and masks the same symptoms in the aftermath. Anyway, I believed I felt the popping of my pineal gland at this age. After all this happened I found I could naturally astral project in my dreams and have lucid out of body dreams. This was a very healing time while sleeping! I also had electro shock treatments at age 20 that seemed to mimic the likes of the "sorcerers blow".I had gone more than three months without sleeping because of auditory hallucinations in my youth. I have been told this is humanly impossible. But in those sleepless episodes I learned to combat in sobriety, the "things that go bump in the night" or "flyers", instead of getting the needed R.E. M.
When I had the experience I called stopping the world, I also had "halucinations" and could not sleep because as soon as I would close my eyes I was assailed with visions beyond description. Intricate, constantly changing patterns and faces etc., etc., but what I would not do was to let my thoughts be known to anyone.
Because the "dwellers on the earth",. doctors, authorities, family and friends would have done to me what they did to you. All "well meaning," I'm sure but because of their limited belief system, it would not occur to them that much of what I was experienceing was Real.
That is my point here and will let others share their similar ideas on this vast subject matter.
What is subjective and what is objective? And who are these dwellers on the earth?
I think when we begin to discuss this we will find it goes deeper than we can imagine. And that there are many aspects to this subject matter than there may at first appear to be.