what exactly is stalking

[cherryarc]

Ive read the stickied topic but it seems i would need a university degree to interpret it. What is stalking in plain language?

[Guest]

From http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stalk :

stalk
verb

: to follow (an animal or person that you are hunting or trying to capture) by moving slowly and quietly
: to go through (a place or area) while hunting
: to follow, watch, and bother (someone) constantly in a way that is frightening, dangerous, etc.

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Apply that to Shamanism and it moves from the physical to the spiritual.

My interpretation of stalking is that it's the attempt to 'see' what isn't in plain sight. Of course you might want to keep in mind people have varying degrees of accuracy of what they see when they stalk, much of the time it's tainted with their own experiences so it's difficult to get an objective insight. Nonetheless sometimes stalking isn't very deep and the inquiry into another is satisfied quickly enough.

Stalking is very simple to do. Accuracy is a different matter.

[cherryarc]

So i find this still begs the question. Do you actually follow a person. Do you ask them questions. Do you attempt to read their body language to gain insights about them? To what end. Are you trying to get something from them? If so ... what

Then applied to yourself. What is it that you are attempting to do to yourself even if what you are doing is clear. How is it possible.

[NagualHuman]

Stalker is like observing from behind, stalker - the hunter follows his prey, stalker is not even frightened about smelling shits of the animal or human that he is stalking, because after that he is able to know what that animal or human eats or does. You see how other peoples act, the fist rule of stalkers is that " YOu are not yourself" "Your personality you have learned" "You can be anyone, rockstar, politician ?" Sure no problem! Its all in moving,acting, doing, talking, and face expression, everything is a move that is pointing somewhere and showing something. Stalker learns to be others, stalker is able to be several person at once.
If you want some "techniques to practise" I advise you to learn to sing from any singer and try to act like actors, change the way you are living, change your appereance, change everything that can be changed... So that you can change more and more to a greater beign, the more languages you know the more humans you are... and its of no matter if its language of tone of voice, language of moving or walking, language of dressing yourself, language of thinking, language of BEIGN! something...

The most people think that its some HIGH SCHOOL DEGREE KNOWLEDGE its absolutely the otherwise, It is the simplest it can be, that much simple that someone sees it as hard.
You must be simple and start with simple things, because the simplest is in reality the most true, the straightest and the most seen is where stalker begins,
"Simplicity is Creed of Stalkers"

[Mornings Son]

Welcome Cherry

Stalking

It is about watching and finding out patterns of behavior. First of all ones own. Getting to dismantle ones own automatic reactions as well as belief about what oneself and reality is. This stalking goes after self-importance and recapitulations of past events is mandatory for success.

Stalking others is really about getting to know them and it is on the surface something everybody does to be able to respond harmoniously in social encounters. The warrior takes it a bit further with making it a conscious enterprise. Its use is simple... how to get what you want.

Stalking Power/Spirit. This is something ))) For me it about becoming aware and understand sign and omens that are given to us all the time

[NagualHuman]

True and trought MS
Also I want to add, that for the own patterns of behavior, cannot be just dismantled, they must be changed to other patterns, so it if you try to just "dismantle" you will get nothing and it will be harded to create new that mantle. Its easier to dismantle the old behavioral patterns that no longer have value, with using new instead of the old. The stalkers Pinpoint which he or she or them must accomplish is to build such a character that do not care of anybody even himself which allows themselves to act anyhow he wants without fear shy and other nasty blockades. "She is able to give her last shirt to a stranger, and moment after she is able to beat that stranger for that same shirt."
The thing of stalkers is to be fluid which means everchanging which means beign able to take on yourself any role without feeling down, because stalker knows that the roles which people take on themself are just games and shows like in Theater which in reality the Life is Theatre of Life... and true Actor is able to play any role he wants.

[shamanka]

stalking is the art of hunting power.
(power in its largest form is total freedom)

however maybe a better word would be energy or awareness.
Therefore there are many ways of stalking and many reasons, both unconscious and conscious why you might...however it is still always under the umbrella of hunting power.

personal power

power in the world

power with the spirit

power with the nagual

stalkers stalk personal power, to know what hooks thier energy,in the perceived external, for that pattern to be dismantled internally, so they do not leak power, this leads to more energy held within, why...to stalk more power...power is gained by shifting perception..

perception and the fluidity of such..is power.

so the less fixed in your perceptions you become, the more 'total self' or potential you gain..leading to more power to be free, in becoming that...this is a process that is continuous as awareness is infinite....

common unconscious stalking practices of gaining personal power, could be for attention, approval, security, status.....etc

through interaction with others, the stalker is essentially gaining experience in finding patterns to dismantle...to promote self reflection, on how one relates to the world...

stalking others consciously, leads to the fliudity of four moods...
patience, sweetness, cunning and ruthless.

ways to be in the tonal world, either not to lose energy to others or to move through the tonal with power..

we call consciously walking in the world this way, controlled folly...

what do we use the power for?..more awareness and fluidity in growing our bandwidth of perception and being able to act with that bandwidth of awareness, that amount of fluidity, in the tonal, and use the 'saved' energy for dreaming, and experiencing other realms and ways of being our potential...

basically. we stalk a dream of 'knowing' (something). so that we can gain perception, and therefore add power to the growing awareness of our total self.

however. to keep fluid, and grow further, we must drop that gained knowing(something) back to the unknown, to stalk yet another 'dream'

dreaming and stalking are the different sides of the same coin...one feels 'inspired'/dreams a dream of 'knowing'....
then you stalk that unknown, to make it known,

to return it back to the dream, one must be 'inspired'/dream, to stalk another unknown...and so perception shifts and power or bandwidth grows...
this is stalking (imo) with the spirit...polishing you connection with the unknown...

stalking the power of the nagual imo, is
really the inspiration/dream/ intent, to not require to stalk anymore? because you live in fluidity, with the perception that indeed everything really is unknown/known together in any moment, and you stand with no contradiction within, (no self reflection) led by power, for power, moving into infinity....total freedom...

[NagualHuman]

Thanks shamanka another piece of puzzlle.

I would like to know what do you mean by Tonal world
Because I met sorcerers who were living so much different world, that their tonal was nagual to me.

[shamanka]

thats not part of this thread NH post the question elsewhere preferably in your own subforum..and let the thread here continue...on topic..

[NagualHuman]

Ye lets continue in the same way, lets dont stick our fingers somewhere else, who knows what could happen.
I totally agree with you
lets stick to the same old thing and dont look in sides
If you just doesnt wanna answer my question there is need to hide it behind some topicothreadity rules and you can say it straightly...

Stalkers are stalkers because they are able to change the course of actions= their behavior towards situations...

[shamanka]

warning for sensitive people who are not accustomed to stalking posts..please dont read if it may offend your niceities..thanks s x

now NH you just want attention...post the question in your own subforum, designed specifically for your 'side exploration'...or we will end up in oblivion again...ok?

NH is a prime example on this site, of someone who desperately stalks for attention, because that's the only way he knows, to stalk power....he cannot his quote

"change the course of actions= their behavior towards situations..."

as you can see here, i have indulged him consciously once, because i am stalking sweetly, asking him nicely to ask me the question elsewhere, however hes frightened in the fact that in doing this, i may not respond at all, because i tend to ignore him a lot...and so he continues, with his own personal agenda, his personal hunt for power, which sadly he has to rely on others for...hence the sticky spread of constant margerine, over most of the threads here....

isnt that how you do it...scout..i mean nagual human?

now he wont leave this thread alone..because if he does..he wont get the last word, which is the aim of all his postings....to suck dry the energy of the whole topic and its participants...he just wont be able to help himself and let the thread continue as intended....

[NagualHuman]

Thank you for your excitement relief, fellow sorcerer. and I would be glad to if you can tell that if the only thing I do is to stalk/dream Power, what do you do? You do not do that ?
If you dont like my sweet margerine well maybe there is something... I do not know... But if you are of such a sweet and kind person you are talking of you should be able to talk sweetly even with me.
Ye and if I wont have the last word, you will have you it, I feel no need to suck dry anything Its the other around , the problem you are reffering to
and thing that botters you is that you see that I can have last word as you cant which mean that maybe I have the truth in my sleeve but I am glad for any other truth, and if you are not willing to give your truth OVer my truth, than maybe its not truth.

If you cannot withstand the stand the beauty...eh the margarine! Its only your own power, only thing I want is to help others

Is it right shadow witch...oh I mean... orc...oh sorry my fingers I met shamanka nagual...
The next thing I wonder about is why you are not able to say thanks to me ? Do you feel bad or so much overidden that you are not even able to say one nice sweet margarine word ?
If you see my acts towards you as drying you, and your actions towards me as right.
And if I see your acts towards me as right, and my actions towards you as right. ?? Where is the problem

I cant do anything about that you are not "I do not know what" That you are not able to come up with some of your own truths ?
If you feel dry as old virgin, its only your problem, but know that if you take it personally, well I do not know where the wind blows.

This is perfect example of stalking same as my question so what the *** is your problem ???

I think I know it, who the *** I think I am ? Noone just humble beign, that wish only understanding between humans
So if you feel about me "Its little too much!" You know exactly what troubles you my dear sister
With king regards the Margarine Butter Nagual of Cheese and Cakes.

If you see food behind my words, I do not know where your energy is attached to...

Pleasure speaking with you, the only thing I want to dry in you is something even you do not want... Yet you still try to insult me and throw every rock you find at me.
I do not know why ? Are you such a great and sweet stalker that you will tell me the reason ?

Last word, is what we all have, last word is what we want,
as death is at our doorstep, last word that we can prevail
last word we are going to say as journey across Infinity never ends...

[Guest]

NH, you were given your own room on this forum. You have a place to govern and rule. Have you taken a moment to wonder why? You're pissing all over the place and the wonderful admins are attempting to house-break you. Or that's at least my interpretation of their actions, I don't know for sure.

You have the tendency to corrupt good conversations with your good intentions. You may continue doing so, posting over ten times a day, in very abstract ways, and then attacking others. You are welcome to.

Just think though, what happens when that privilege is revoked? O.O you will starve.

[Guest]

and of course as I'm writing that reply, the posts I'm referencing are removed >.<

Feel free to delete these two posts too :X

[watergaze]

no worries, i will move them too . in a little..

[cherryarc]

I feel i have dismantled everything thus far , but it seems i have run out of content. Or maybe the fear has taken me. Just tonight at the bar someone has taken me for an employee at another place just because of my dress. Instead i told them where i actually worked. Should i have ran with it ?

[Littlepaw]

cherryarc wrote:So i find this still begs the question. Do you actually follow a person. Do you ask them questions. Do you attempt to read their body language to gain insights about them? To what end. Are you trying to get something from them? If so ... what

Then applied to yourself. What is it that you are attempting to do to yourself even if what you are doing is clear. How is it possible.I found this funny, thanks : ) I have read allot about stalking and spend nearly all my time wondering about how to apply stalking and every other Toltec technique to normal life and I think that maybe the important thing is just to try.  Shamanka mentioned earlier in the post four moods of a Warrior which are mentioned allot in the Toltec teachings which is great because I was trying to remember them recently   Thanks Shamanka! sweet!  I forgot I even wanted to know der......

[shamanka]

cherry and little paw... to try and get specific and practical here....im going to attempt tp [pint out alot of the stalking potential in just that small post you wrote cherry..so you can see if you wanted to run with any of them....


ok so you said " but it seems i have run out of content. Or maybe the fear has taken me. Just tonight at the bar someone has taken me for an employee at another place just because of my dress. Instead i told them where i actually worked. Should i have ran with it ?

lets break down possible stalks you could run with...ie to do with yourself or out in the real world

so you have run out of content?
you could...stalk yourself and ask what 'content' is,...or look at the different contexts of content..for example, does content for you lead to contentment?
or ask the question, if i have run out of content...then what do i actually have now?. what did i have. what could i have next?

then you asked has fear taken me?
has it?...what is fear?. how does fear take one? and where does it take you?...does it really take you? and who is this me it takes anyway? is there always a me to take? and does fear always take this me, to the same place, to different places?

then we have you interaction with a 'someone'? in a bar?

contextually did you have an intent to go to the bar? ie what was the stalk of going into the bar in the first place....what were you looking to experience..?
who is this 'someone' what was their stalk in going to the bar? was it similar to your intent/stalk or different? how did this similarity/difference effect you in your interaction?

did you wear that dress as a prop to your stalk at the bar? did that someone else notice that dress as a prop to your stalk? how did that make you feel..? to be acknowledged? or did that someone use that dress as a prop in interactiom in a different way? ie did the 'dress' work on many different levels?

what would have happened if the dress had been removed? would the interaction have happened at all? what did you gain from the interaction?...after the interaction could you have interacted different or was the interaction steered by the dress or someone else...how could you have, or would you have changed this...in alignment with why you went to the bar in the first place, or allowed the interaction to take place?

see where i am going with this? to gain control of stalking in everyday activities..in the first instance you have to understand you and your environment are instrumental props to an everyday stalk...
which mood did you take on? did this change?
by breaking down even unconscious stalks..you can make them available to you in a more conscious way next time......i hope this shows a liyyle of how you can build up basic 'acting' skills in every day life,....the tool box of the controlled folly, in the world....x

[NagualJudas]

That was long-winded. Detailed, yes.

Stalking is the act of seeing truth. In others, ourselves. If you break away the excuses, you see what remains. It will be as complicated as you make it to be. As long and drawn out as you desire.

[cherryarc]

Update***

Well I decided to go to a diner today in search of pancakes and french toast. I went in and One of the staff said Hi and asked how I was. For some reason I replied much in her tone and said Hi back, This is when I think it began. When I took my coat off to sit down I saw one of them making a face at me for how I replied. I was sitting there in the booth and I felt so at ease so content, I had the idea of walking up and saying its pretty lonely over here mind if I take a seat at the bar. The Elder one was clearing a table near me so I said it to her. She said. "we are not allowed to talk, were working" In quite a rude way and I felt a little bit of apprehension set in and slight fear. ( a little bit of trembling ) One of the other ones said you can sit where ever you want. So I moved over. I sat down and it got worse. I couldnt really concentrate or think about what i was doing. Its like I got hit with an emp or something. I thought that these flyers were out of control. I managed to get a few statements out but I sounded nervous. I ended up stating my intent telling them I was trying to act without self importance and they lightened up and one of them even started a dialogue with me. And she said it takes "balls" to do what I did. Regardless, it felt like I definitely broke out of whatever social contract was in place, and I was moving outside of it. Although I heard a lot of synchronistic language from them after i sat down. A few key things like I punch kids in the face, and the word crazy came up a few times. and ofcourse the trembling. Is the trembling sham fear from my flyers mind? I mean my heart wasnt racing or anything.

I dunno what I was doing really, I had no real intent maybe thats the problem.

[NagualHuman]

The most important thing is to not get indulged into their game, to not get into feeling "well she is saying it not nicely, so I will answer her the same" that is not an option for stalker, stalker is either jovial and happy or not-concerned, you just mirrorred her feeling and that pissed her really off...because most people doesnt wanna see how they really "face" express themselves. The fear is normal in situation that are out of normal context, when you do something you are not used to... the best to dissolve the fear in situations like this is to be jovial, which mean you must tell something absolutely normal - some compliment, stating over known fact and other usual conversational phrases, the more obvious the better, a good stalker is able to make a story in matter of seconds, absolutey from his mind, or from things and facts he see around himself. Stalker never show his true face, wheter is it lion or scared mouse, he is allways behind a mask which is his intent for situation, she is calculative and fast without need to give any of her attention to the odds that are going against her, joking and fun is the core of stalking. Flyers are not good name for this.... When you say its flyers mind you give off your responsibility, because in reality its only your own mind, when you say its someone elses mind you negate yourself and thus even the possibility to simply give off that part of yourself, Castaneda started to call it "flyer" because he wanted to show that its not good for us, that we must get rid of it and when you take it as impersonal and not-yours its easier, but most of people understand it in manner "ah, I am ruled by aliens, no one can save me!" Its absolute opposite, its simple learning, warrior takes everything as battle and in first battles its usual that warrior feels fear and even starts to tremble, but he must overcome it... The intent of stalking comes step by step, when you entered that pub or what was it, you should keep in mind that you are Stalker entering the "hunting ground" and everything you seen is a "trace" which allows you to recognize where the animal moves, what trap you must do or more properly said, what words and "story" is right according to in where you are, with who, and in what situation and what are the roles of that peoples... Simply said what you can use to achieve your goal... Which was in that moment no real intent, but still you managed to get somewhere "you were proclaimed a crazy person!" congratulations... You should before stalking give yourself an intent, in means of something easy "Getting number of that nice guy" "Getting into friendly dialog" etc., its just a game... no need to make from it a battle over life and death...
The people are on subconsciouss level still animals, and same as animals they feel fear and other emotions, and when you said them what you are really doing, they took you as some madwoman because from their "herd" point of view its absolutey nonsenseful to even think of such a posibilitess but still, as they are "herd" they, when really saw what is behind that farce, gave you a hand, because "herd" must be polite with other sheeps while in reality, when you turned your back, they instantly started to talk about the reality.
This behavior we call "chicken flock" and is often seen in "certain" women collectives... Speaking and beign polite, but instantly after go away from it, they literally and practically tear you to pieces... Its funny in what condition humans are able to willingly live...
Anyway, you proven yourself that even through it semed like nonsense, you had the balls to go into battle, to try to stalk for which you can be proud of yourself...
On the other hand you totally fucked it up... First mirrored their frown, then sat down and just started to tremble and then you even said them why for which they give you sticker of "mad"... Well, I think you atleast learned something about your fear and how your mind works, and on what to work

Motto of Stalkers "Life is a theatre" "How many roles you are able to play" "That much of human you are"

[cherryarc]

haha, I like how you said you should be proud of yourself, but you completely fucked up. Made me laugh, But great advice though, thank you. I am glad these can be seen as actual acts and not just those of a crazy person. The part about traps, really speaks to me, I can think back to times where I have actually laid them. And accomplished things with them. But I knew not what I did. Until now of course. I have been in similar situations before, except they have always been that of life or death. I don't know why but it seems to be my pre disposition. In other situations like that I have stayed completely and utterly sublime, perfectly still and sometimes even silent. From there I am usually free to frollick. and flirt and play. I wish I was able to relax like I am at home on the couch in all situations. I remember a time when I actually used to be good at stalking, the tips you guys mentioned about playing parts like in a movie as a character.... I've done. And I used to be really good at stalking people online, back in my major computing days. But then when I sort of woke up one day. All those things sort of well disappeared. At some point throughout it my internal dialogue stopped, and I became fearless at times and then I sort of lost the basics and the fun. I only talk about the flyers sometimes, because I often wonder what happened during that transitional phase from teenage to adulthood and it sounds as if I lost my coat of awareness or something.

[shamanka]

i know not what i do...so true.....
'it' comes over me, i trust it, i let it flow, i let it do its thing, it is me but it is not a fixed me with an intent...it dances within situations, with people, it knows yet it keeps its knowing silent from me,,so i am fearless, so i take the steps for a reason i have no wish to know...i trust because i have no 'reason' not to....it plays reactions and interactions, i sometimes wonder why..its true....it takes away the requirement for stalking, if it happens it was not through a choice of my 'own'..it was urged for something to do, maybe for some purpose of another, but that isnt my concern now...it is what it is....a video stream of which i do not press the play or the pause button...finding the remote has been not worth the effort so far...as the urge falls away to play...everything changes and this is yet another phase..another space and when this finishes, another will open up...

[cherryarc]

I had a moment today where I saw my old self stalking people online, I can see it but there is something in between a large gap. with which i cannot pull things through. Some type of fog if you will. Is it something I left behind or something I lost? I do not know but I feel its something I lost. Possibly something I need to rebuild. I feel as if I am aware yet less aware at the same time. Im not in it anymore, Im too far back. Not present enough.

[glance left]

Stalk inner silence.

And in doing so, we will discover the interface with Infinity...the living, breathing link. Once that's found, it's simply a matter of stalking that link wherever we go in whichever situation. Discovering what disconnects us when we disconnect...and learning to recover the link over and over and over and over and over and over and over again...until the link is sustained permanently. And then we'll bloom back into our full power which will transport us beyond the world as we know it.