Seeing the flyer

[Mornings Son]

For the second day i woke up with a intense feeling of depression I sat zazen it lifted it a bit. As I was early to work I sat for 15 min in a park and make a shaman journey - listening to drumming. 
Call my spirit teachers and asked for healing of this heavy feeling
I sat at the root of a big ash tree - we had a good connection - energybody to energybody ))
Was pointed to my tanden - below naval - and my breathing awareness grew strong
My AP shifted to that of being much more One with the Great Flow of LifeForce
Smelled the flowering trees and the beatify spring in full blossom around me
I got grounded and stabil 
then i saw this sort of 50 legged squared body spider of blackness
sitting at my sore neck (feels extra sore as I write this)

I went to a meeting where I had a leading role and all was cool beyond measure. There was an change in my relationship to my work associates as the grip of the flyver was gone
man a good day ))
anyway the reason I share that is to bring the Flyer into the conversation.I have for years disbelieved in its existence - found it far fetches as I have never seen it in others or myself.
So there is ways to cut its influence
Have you found ways of Seeing it and cutting it of?

[nima]

50 legged spider ... Creepy. I havnt benn able to see it like you do but if i stare into darkness can see these batlike creatures jumping all around the room or rubbing it slef to my body.

[Mornings Son]

Nima can you feel them in the body physical or energetic ?

After write last evening I had an instens pain in my neck - It awoke me several times during the night. Still in the morning it lingered there. 
My dreams was dark and i was hit in the neck with black structures. There was a man in fancy bishop like robe that talked to me an guided me in the dream.
I got up sat zazen and it helped to let it go again. I felt out of my old self - in away like being in on a holiday, where you have lots of time and look at the city as it is first time you see it. As I went out to buy some stuff from a martial art shop - I kept my focus anchored in my breathing. It was a good experience. A beautiful day and I felt more connected with all. Like more plugged into the experience. Difficult to explain, but I hope you get what Im talking about.



(Edit: merged consecutive posts by the same author.)

[Mornings Son]

After write last evening I had an instens pain in my neck - It awoke me several times during the night. Still in the morning it lingered there.

My dreams was dark and i was hit in the neck with black structures. There was a man in fancy bishop like robe that talked to me an guided me in the dream.
I got up sat zazen and it helped to let it go again. I felt out of my old self - in away like being in on a holiday, where you have lots of time and look at the city as it is first time you see it. As I went out to buy some stuff from a martial art shop - I kept my focus anchored in my breathing. It was a good experience. A beautiful day and I felt more connected with all. Like more plugged into the experience. Difficult to explain, but I hope you get what Im talking about.

[nima]

Mornings Son wrote:Nima can you feel them in the body physical or energetic ?

It feels more like physical

[Mornings Son]

Yeah Nima its the same for me + the emotional poison (biochemical ****) that makes one feel down and rotten.

[Guest]

Have you found ways of Seeing it and cutting it of?

Nice thread MS. Shutting off internal dialog starves it. One sees it easily when not immersed in it.

[delawaredan]

I had an experience about a month ago in which I saw the flyer mind in a large group of people.    This experience actually freaked me out a bit and was one of the major reasons I needed to have some solitude, time away from this site.   I was at a Dark Star Orchestra concert...they are a Grateful Dead cover band.    I was on the floor about 50 feet from the stage.   I entered a state of heightened awareness, very quickly.....my assemblage point shifted to such a place that I could feel/see flyers fleeing from my mind.   When I was aware of the flyers affecting me, I became aware of the flyers affecting everyone around me.   I was aware of all the pain, lies, hate, mistrust, and anger...that the flyer mind thrust onto the crowd.    I tried to be strong and bear the weight of all the people there.   I tried to rid the flyer from everyone around me.   It made a huge cloud above the crowd of people, and the cloud then focused on me because I was aware of it.   It began to attack me in such a way that I felt dizzy, weak, and frightened.    I tried to stand strong during the onslaught of the group flyer mind but it was to much for me to handle.   I backed down and knew I was not yet strong enough to withstand this force of everyone else's flyer.   As much as I wanted to help all of the people around me, I knew I would not survive, and I needed to focus back on my own mind and my own freedom.    I felt like a failure.....one of the biggest dreams of mine is to be able to lead others away from the flyer mind and the FI.   But it is futile if the others are not willing to participate in the emancipation of their own minds.   I do not think I will be trying something like that again.    Maybe on a one on one setting I can help another person free themselves.

[Mornings Son]

Unpleasant experience.

It calls for making a protective talisman or something, right?
You might or will have these encounter again if you stalk flyers...

[delawaredan]

yes - a protective talisman may due the trick...as I do plan to continue too stalk the flyers.

The inorganic beings are our counter-part, our twin flame, "our cousins" - the 'manikiri' (The invisible ones). We have an arrangement with these beings- an agreement of exchange - energy for awareness. This makes all activities for the warrior possible. The mistake is to believe that there is no agreement - how one resolves the dilemma of the 'Flyer's mind' and how to integrate these beings into our lives as a concept and a reality is to accept their presence, this transmutes fear into love. The concept of mind over matter, rather than there being a predatory flyer with the rejection of the interference pattern, there is instead an ally. When one starts out on the warrior's path we accept this agreement. The mistake comes when they are thought to be something alien. The relationship is one of synergy, rather than there being host and a predator, there then becomes a symbiosis - in this way the rule can be manifested. The inorganic beings feed on our energy it is true but this can be seen instead as the bestowal of awareness.The inorganic beings are our counterpart, our twin flame, "our cousins" - the 'manikiri' First order creators. We have an arrangement with these beings- an agreement of exchange - energy for awareness. When we are out of step with the spirit so to speak this is when the problems come. They make all activities possible. The mistake is to believe that there is no agreement - how one resolves the dilemma of how to integrate the concept into your life, is to accept their presence, this transmutes fear into love. The IOB's flow better within structure of reality and know the rolling force and tumbling force far more intimately than we can hope to know - and as a result there is a difficulty in applying fluidity and lightness to all situations, as they do. The spinning of the IOB's then becomes a problem. They twirl the world everything around them, you into the bargain, this is when the testing of the spirit comes in, this is how they test us, they throw our assemblage point into new strange locations, this is how they unhook us from reality. The concept of mind over matter, rather than there being a predatory flyer with the rejection of the interference pattern, there is instead an ally. When one starts out on the warrior's path we accept this agreement. The mistake comes when they are thought to be something alien. The relationship is one of synergy, rather than there being host and a predator, there then becomes a symbiosis - in this way the rule can be manifested. The inorganic beings feed on our energy it is true, but this can be seen simply as the bestowal of awareness.

(Edit: merged consecutive posts by the same author.)

[delawaredan]

I read this article today and wanted to know other's thoughts.   Personally, I am not so quick to accept the relationship is always beneficial.   It feels like the author is lumping all IB together.   In my experience, there are friendly exchanges and there are parasitic relationships as well.   I do not feel comfortable accepting all as beneficial.    It seems like the another mind control trick to me.
"
The
inorganic beings are our counter-part, our twin flame, "our cousins" - the
'manikiri' (The invisible ones). We have an arrangement with these beings- an
agreement of exchange - energy for awareness. This makes all activities for the
warrior possible. The mistake is to believe that there is no agreement - how one
resolves the dilemma of the 'Flyer's mind' and how to integrate these beings
into our lives as a concept and a reality is to accept their presence, this
transmutes fear into love. The concept of mind over matter, rather than there
being a predatory flyer with the rejection of the interference pattern, there is
instead an ally. When one starts out on the warrior's path we accept this
agreement. The mistake comes when they are thought to be something alien. The
relationship is one of synergy, rather than there being host and a predator,
there then becomes a symbiosis - in this way the rule can be manifested. The
inorganic beings feed on our energy it is true but this can be seen instead as
the bestowal of awareness.


The
inorganic beings are our counterpart, our twin flame, "our cousins" - the
'manikiri' First order creators. We have an arrangement with these beings- an
agreement of exchange - energy for awareness. When we are out of step with the
spirit so to speak this is when the problems come. They make all activities
possible. The mistake is to believe that there is no agreement - how one
resolves the dilemma of how to integrate the concept into your life, is to
accept their presence, this transmutes fear into love. The IOB's flow better
within structure of reality and know the rolling force and tumbling force far
more intimately than we can hope to know - and as a result there is a difficulty
in applying fluidity and lightness to all situations, as they do. The spinning
of the IOB's then becomes a problem. They twirl the world everything around
them, you into the bargain, this is when the testing of the spirit comes in,
this is how they test us, they throw our assemblage point into new strange
locations, this is how they unhook us from reality. The concept of mind over
matter, rather than there being a predatory flyer with the rejection of the
interference pattern, there is instead an ally. When one starts out on the
warrior's path we accept this agreement. The mistake comes when they are thought
to be something alien. The relationship is one of synergy, rather than there
being host and a predator, there then becomes a symbiosis - in this way the rule
can be manifested. The inorganic beings feed on our energy it is true, but this
can be seen simply as the bestowal of awareness."

[delawaredan]

I am not sure why it was so light - I cannot edit so I will just try to fix it here: 
The
inorganic beings are our counter-part, our twin flame, "our cousins" - the
'manikiri' (The invisible ones). We have an arrangement with these beings- an
agreement of exchange - energy for awareness. This makes all activities for the
warrior possible. The mistake is to believe that there is no agreement - how one
resolves the dilemma of the 'Flyer's mind' and how to integrate these beings
into our lives as a concept and a reality is to accept their presence, this
transmutes fear into love. The concept of mind over matter, rather than there
being a predatory flyer with the rejection of the interference pattern, there is
instead an ally. When one starts out on the warrior's path we accept this
agreement. The mistake comes when they are thought to be something alien. The
relationship is one of synergy, rather than there being host and a predator,
there then becomes a symbiosis - in this way the rule can be manifested. The
inorganic beings feed on our energy it is true but this can be seen instead as
the bestowal of awareness.

The
inorganic beings are our counterpart, our twin flame, "our cousins" - the
'manikiri' First order creators. We have an arrangement with these beings- an
agreement of exchange - energy for awareness. When we are out of step with the
spirit so to speak this is when the problems come. They make all activities
possible. The mistake is to believe that there is no agreement - how one
resolves the dilemma of how to integrate the concept into your life, is to
accept their presence, this transmutes fear into love. The IOB's flow better
within structure of reality and know the rolling force and tumbling force far
more intimately than we can hope to know - and as a result there is a difficulty
in applying fluidity and lightness to all situations, as they do. The spinning
of the IOB's then becomes a problem. They twirl the world everything around
them, you into the bargain, this is when the testing of the spirit comes in,
this is how they test us, they throw our assemblage point into new strange
locations, this is how they unhook us from reality. The concept of mind over
matter, rather than there being a predatory flyer with the rejection of the
interference pattern, there is instead an ally. When one starts out on the
warrior's path we accept this agreement. The mistake comes when they are thought
to be something alien. The relationship is one of synergy, rather than there
being host and a predator, there then becomes a symbiosis - in this way the rule
can be manifested. The inorganic beings feed on our energy it is true, but this
can be seen simply as the bestowal of awareness.

[Mornings Son]

Dan I find that a good approach for horses towards humans...

We got to cut these ties to emotional thrills and rushes to become Free
The 3 poisons spirits: Greet, Anger and Delusion (Belife in the Ego) in unique personal mixed version - that is your flyer

[Gugeyewalker]

delawaredan wrote:I am not sure why it was so light - I cannot edit so I will just try to fix it here: 

 The relationship is one of synergy, rather than there
being host and a predator, there then becomes a symbiosis - in this way the rule
can be manifested. The inorganic beings feed on our energy it is true, but this
can be seen simply as the bestowal of awareness.
They gave us their version of reason which on a collective scale can be useful. But no thanks, I prefer my own version of reason thank you very much!

Leave my energy alone, I like it best in it's natural state. So yeah, I couldn't disagree more.

[Gugeyewalker]

The only ways I have been able to see them is at night when I am halfway between sleep. What is happening here is the dreaming body is trying to come out, and always getting blocked by something like the following:

An organism with hundreds of needle like teeth enveloping me,
Something sittings on my bed, insect like, it makes me jump ten feet to turn on the light

OOhhh last night I remember something - I was on the verge of ascending out of my body but something was pinning me down by the head. It had a tick-tock, tick-tock pendelum that felt like it was in my head and I couldn't get away from it, this woke me up. Maybe the flyer feeds in a rhythmic sucking or licking manner.

Similarly in dreams, there's this bird I have seen a few times. The first dream I had about it - it was sitting on my head and pecking in a rhythmic and machine like manner, in fact the tick-tock motion. When I tried to touch it my hands would pass through it and I couldn't get it off. In the dream I would go to friends and say "do you see this thing?" and they couldn't see it. Talk about anxiety...

The other times I have seen the bird, it is sitting somewhere else other than on top of me, in these cases I am usually able to look at my hands and start dreaming.

Back to the bedroom at night - quite often I see some kind of insect-like thing flying around the room, and it notices me and makes a run for me...so I jump like the dickens and try to dodge it. Light comes on and its gone.
Other times, its something with tendrils in my bed...these tendrils are painful and make my muscles spasm if they touch me. I have waken many times with muscles still spasming like crazy wherever those tendrils touched me.

I don't know if I want to see them all the time! I'm too busy lol. I cannot help but to be fascinated though, just as I am fascinated by the behavior of the predators we all know about on this planet.

[Billy]

Gugeyewalker wrote:...I prefer my own version of reason thank you very much!
Leave my energy alone, I like it best in it's natural state...


Tell me about energy in its natural state.   (Please, a reasonable version a la Gugyewalker using a few keywords if possible--without disrespect, I am in a laughing mood.)

[Gugeyewalker]

It would seem to be that my own energy it its natural state is firey, sunny, bold, positive, daring, joyous, and spontaneous. As if the body has an energy source not unlike the power of the sun.

This goes against my upbringing which is to be timid, shy, and loyal. But I have to work really hard every day to maintain this natural state often loosing it alltogether.
The only way I can maintain it seems to be something like these programming lines in my self-made reason (logic):

if (inner silence = joy)
then (natural energy = yes) and (reason = my own)
and if discipline = the progression of consistently doing more than I thought I can do
Then (doing NOT = thinking)

Penguins are AWESOME btw

[Billy]

I REALLY liked the answer, and am especially fond that you used the word 'logic' (Ayn Rand style). 

   Reason to the hilt took me to a 'fu**ed-upness in 'doing' manifestating.  The 'consequence' for me is a state similar to 'Howard Roark' when he had no outs, but unlike using "Randian reason" I forfeited any set purpose.  In short, I am practically unconnected axiomatically and alone, and I say that without negative or positive judgement.  I am obviously moving through states unseen previously, and while self-trust in reason is my mantra--the reason is often only faintly 'far out there' after having forfeited playing conventionally.

   You might question if having no axiomatic purpose is contradictory to reason?  I cannot answer that from the place I am other than to mention 'a sense of intent' (intent to deal with being alive--involves the 'yes' you speak of as natural energy.......  however, reason tells ME this must include the 'no's to be valid.  Think of having to judge life having to live every 'terrible' life ever lived--born to poverty and eating from a city dump or tortured and having your body parts dismembered by a tyrant (some examples--and there are far worse as you can imagine).

   AND, I have come to believe 'intent' in the perceptual organism goes beyond the brain and reason.  Rand was mistaken about emotions--anthropology says they were survival 'tools' long before reason evolved.  To further complicate matters, advanced neuroscientists across the world have demonstrated that free will is an illusion-- that the chemical process of invariant firing synapses takes place several seconds BEFORE conscious thought.  Albert Einstein alluded that a human has no more free will than a rock, that everything was predetermined from infinity.

   Don Juan's controlled folly is quite useful in this regard.

   I want mention Morning Son and delawaredan that I identified with your posts though I have not had those experiences.

[Gugeyewalker]

billy wrote:

   You might question if having no axiomatic purpose is contradictory to reason?  I cannot answer that from the place I am other than to mention 'a sense of intent' (intent to deal with being alive--involves the 'yes' you speak of as natural energy.......  however, reason tells ME this must include the 'no's to be valid.

 
I use the concept of NO a lot to help me to figure out the purpose. Yes and no are a reflection of the two opposing polarities of that we have seen in science and mythology, and for me it is the primary method of using intuition. There is a bodily sensation, a pressure on the left temple, and sometimes a knot on the left side of my abdomen, when my reason is mistaken. I have verified it over and over. It can be as simple as 'No, your friend will not answer the phone," to "No, they are NOT telling the truth." AND I can verifiy this intuition or perhaps quite basic use of seeing. I was not always able to do this.
If I am free of reason (the self centered type) there are fewer to none of the 'No' sensations described above. 

I am not sure what Rayndain reason is since I havent read her yet.

[Gestblinde]

delawaredan wrote:I had an experience about a month ago in which I saw the flyer mind in a large group of people.    This experience actually freaked me out a bit and was one of the major reasons I needed to have some solitude, time away from this site.   I was at a Dark Star Orchestra concert...they are a Grateful Dead cover band.    I was on the floor about 50 feet from the stage.   I entered a state of heightened awareness, very quickly.....my assemblage point shifted to such a place that I could feel/see flyers fleeing from my mind.   When I was aware of the flyers affecting me, I became aware of the flyers affecting everyone around me.   I was aware of all the pain, lies, hate, mistrust, and anger...that the flyer mind thrust onto the crowd.    I tried to be strong and bear the weight of all the people there.   I tried to rid the flyer from everyone around me.   It made a huge cloud above the crowd of people, and the cloud then focused on me because I was aware of it.   It began to attack me in such a way that I felt dizzy, weak, and frightened.    I tried to stand strong during the onslaught of the group flyer mind but it was to much for me to handle.   I backed down and knew I was not yet strong enough to withstand this force of everyone else's flyer.   As much as I wanted to help all of the people around me, I knew I would not survive, and I needed to focus back on my own mind and my own freedom.    I felt like a failure.....one of the biggest dreams of mine is to be able to lead others away from the flyer mind and the FI.   But it is futile if the others are not willing to participate in the emancipation of their own minds.   I do not think I will be trying something like that again.    Maybe on a one on one setting I can help another person free themselves.    

 
You can´t really "fight" a flyer.. It´s a dreaming body by its own but much closer to our physical band of reality than most others. The small batlike creatures many notice are more or less annoying parasites created by our own minds and not a "flyer" in itself.
The flyers mind is like a black and white pulse or as someone mentioned here, a pendulum situated in our heads and have certain fascinating (Yes, our own minds will betray us that way) effects on us.

[Billy]

You can SEE real Flyers tomorrow (Sunday March 22> JUST AFTER 6:00 pm eastern).  On TNT tv.

Do what you can to help these Flyers.  Please......  ...     billy

[Gestblinde]

billy wrote:You can SEE real Flyers tomorrow (Sunday March 22> JUST AFTER 6:00 pm eastern).  On TNT tv.

Do what you can to help these Flyers.  Please......  ...     billy
Looking at Basketball are you?..

[Finwe]

I THINK the only fact we can rely on in energetic sense that they are nothing alike us humans, if not the opposite.

[Billy]

Finwe wrote:I THINK...in energetic sense that they are nothing alike us humans, if not the opposite. 

Yes my Flyer players are monsters.  But they need food Finwe.  They play Oklahoma; can you help AGAIN?






yes gestblinde/basketball

[Guest]