With or without

[cherryarc]

How do you know if you have succeeded in removing the foreign installation. Is it possible to have somehow stumbled upon it and sort of removed it from the start. Almost by mistake, without preparing yourself for its removal. Because I feel I went through some pretty harrowing stuff, and it all sort of feels end game. Like it was the big act. And that Now I have been left without a mind. I lost that sort of aloofness that people get in life where they are able to sort of not really think about what they are doing. and just have a conversation or something.

[glance left]

No more thoughts. Or, at least, no more irrelevant thoughts When inner silence is sustained, and we are perennially aware of ourselves amidst our surroundings...then the installation is gone. Apparently, its quite frightening for many, when it finally leaves. Like someone giving up smoking and feeling lost...alone without what used to be, as many smokers will say, their "best friend".

[cherryarc]

Thank you for your reply, I think its safe to say, It has left.

[NagualHuman]

I would like to know what matter does the "Whity Nippley" Experiences ??
What is if the highest energetical explanations of E-prim.ordinalary dealed?

[NagualHuman]

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In the weaves n' treads an trees and energy of planets earth...

They been settled...

[Mornings Son]

cherryarc wrote:How do you know if you have succeeded in removing the foreign installation. Is it possible to have somehow stumbled upon it and sort of removed it from the start. Almost by mistake, without preparing yourself for its removal. Because I feel I went through some pretty harrowing stuff, and it all sort of feels end game. Like it was the big act. And that Now I have been left without a mind. I lost that sort of aloofness that people get in life where they are able to sort of not really think about what they are doing. and just have a conversation or something.Believe it would be possible, but rare, to loss the FI by some event... could imply that one has past life knowledge work in the behind of ones cognition or that Spirit knocked.. powerful

[serloco]

Mornings Son wrote:
cherryarc wrote:How do you know if you have succeeded in removing the foreign installation. Is it possible to have somehow stumbled upon it and sort of removed it from the start. Almost by mistake, without preparing yourself for its removal. Because I feel I went through some pretty harrowing stuff, and it all sort of feels end game. Like it was the big act. And that Now I have been left without a mind. I lost that sort of aloofness that people get in life where they are able to sort of not really think about what they are doing. and just have a conversation or something.
Believe it would be possible, but rare, to loss the FI by some event...
 
I had just the thing happen to me. We (my allies and I) were making thought impulses that were disigned to guide and control the event unfolding from reality For example we would form a judgement about a girl thinking i am cute, and then watch as the girl has the thought and then proceeds to make conversation with me. We use these controlled thought impulses for many things, and they have always worked great wonders and miracles in my world. It is as if my mind connects to everything and my thoughts make up the world. In this awareness that is the way it is. Anyways I had some bad friends show up, some iobs from an old world that i detest. They showed up and started projecting these thoughts into my head that i didnt like, negative thoughts about the world and the people. I then used my thoughts to force them out of my head, and formed the impulse to shoot the out. I fired the thought like a weaopon and when i did all the voices and thinking beings left my head and  I saw several distinct flying black images soaring though the air around me, scurrying back and forth over me. There motion was ghostly and they didnt slow down before changing directions midflight. They just zigzagged back and forth over me trying to get back in, Well they did get back in, and i have now twice fired them out of me. The bad ones i define as the FI, They control thoughts, and override my original thoughts by drowning them out. Yet i have gotten louder and stronger then them. Some of these iobs are very good beings though, and so i do not define them as FI but as separate iobs and allies. There are many forms of iobs, and many iobs act like you would define the FI to be. Meaning they project awareness into your consciousness, and create consciousness. I found it crucial after working with these beings for so long to always remember that i can generate consciousness on my own, with my own thoughts and attention. Otherwise i would be dependant on these 'feeders'.

[NagualHuman]

Believe it or not, there is only one awareness that projects all the other consciousness and impulses.
The value of it depends how far we are attached or detached to the need to evaluate externally - meaning beyond;after the experience, the circumstance, dream or drama we find ourselves in.

I learned that there is no such thing as external and internal
and that allowed me to just take it all as a reflection a baseplate for whatever I may be striving for on my path,
tricky part comes when I have to use it for my goal.

[Littlepaw]

Serloco,

Be interested to hear more about your allies?

[NagualHuman]

Littlepaw,

Be interested to hear about your allies ?

[Littlepaw]

Nagual Human,

''Believe it or not, there is only one awareness that projects all the other consciousness and impulses''

I am really interested how you came upon this conclusion?

''I learned that there is no such thing as external and internal''

I can think of many examples of external and internal existing. Are you able to clarify in what you mean by this and how you apply this knowledge in pursuit of your goals?

[Littlepaw]

Nagual Human,

When I think about allies I immediately reference to the stories I have read about them probably all in books by Castaneda, funnily enough it was at the end of reading The Art Of Dreaming that I became very panicked and told my friend that if this book was true then I would have to completely change my life, I think I changed my view of the world that very day to incorporate the possibility of everything in that book being true! but as my mother used to say '' you will believe anything '' I thought the life of Pi was a true story for a while : )

Others I have spoken to say that things like mushrooms and peyote are an Ally. I have not tried peyote but my experiences with mushrooms do raise all kinds of questions for me about the sentience of mushrooms and their potential role as a guiding force.

An ally to me so far is perhaps a sentient force that may help us by interacting with it. This is a loose definition though because does that not count for every sentient being in the universe? A man would be just as much an ally as a mushroom.

[NagualHuman]

There is only one force that is perpetuating whole creation.

Whole Don Juan's teachings is about accepting that everything you see inside or outside yourself is still happening within your bubble of awareness,
wheter you call it here or there/outside or inside, everything you sense with your senses is happening inside of you, inside your awareness.

It is of no value, what we call truth,
but what does that truth bring to us.

[Littlepaw]

What is the one force perpetuating whole creation?

[serloco]

NagualHuman wrote:There is only one force that is perpetuating whole creation.

Whole Don Juan's teachings is about accepting that everything you see inside or outside yourself is still happening within your bubble of awareness,
wheter you call it here or there/outside or inside, everything you sense with your senses is happening inside of you, inside your awareness.

It is of no value, what we call truth,
but what does that truth bring to us.
Intent and will. Both are one and the same just separated for identifying certain aspects of it. Intent and will is happening inside of you, with all of your awareness that you possess. That is because you are aware of what you are aware of. Now what exists everywhere else, externally from yourself, is the nagual awareness. All the will and intent that is occuring outside of your awareness. This force is much larger and stronger then most realize. It houses countless positions of existence/awareness.

[shamanka]

there is no external, that is an illusion, when travelling in freedom

[serloco]

Littlepaw wrote:Serloco,

Be interested to hear more about your allies?
I speak of them from time to time in my posts. I made one entitled 'my life as medium' which defines many of them and their abilities. Those ones act as spirits and thus take spirit forms. For me the ally can take any form, because I have that awareness of them. Which they have helped me unlock. I have dreamt with many different allies, although I suspect that many of them was really just one is many guises. The more power you give them the better the journey with them in most cases. Remember it is our own awareness that gives the forms of our dreams and intent/will. One type of ally teaches this my dancing with the dreamer. They hook your attention onto them and they become fluid in nature. They begin changing forms as your awareness shifts of them, becoming all the ideas in your mind as you think them. An active fluid exchange. Everything you think of them they will become. They are everything yet they are nothing at the same time. With the right ally you can learn how to dream in their world, and make forms that you dance into their world. Everything you and your ally dream up becomes that imprint of the world. They can be fun, but they need that energy for their forms, and thus need your awareness to fullfill their designs. They can thus trap the dreamer in various worlds if you are not aware. Enormous amounts of power can be gained from them easily however, and it is a real delight to have them cater to you.

[NagualHuman]

The new seers are oriented more on the search for one's own power, than giving it off to inorganic; lower beigns, it is because it tend to create an externalized bound to power and possibility of one's own possibilites, every seer gets into interactions with inorganic beigns throughout his whole life, but utilizing this kind of connection to the power leads to decentralisation of ones own awareness and that tend to create gasps in it, when sorcerer is fully his own the awareness is complete and fully able to dream within the circumstances of one's own power without need to validate externally or internally the process happening, and thus unlocking the reservoir of the primordinal ever-dreaming self and te world created around the recognisition of centralised dream, the core, heart, free spirit we all truly are.

[serloco]

shamanka wrote:there is no external, that is an illusion, when travelling in freedom
You are right, and so it is, but can you in your freedom meet another willfull being? Then when you find you cannot will you make your way back into the lands of the living?

[NagualHuman]

Path of the warrior is very lonely.

[serloco]

NagualHuman wrote:The new seers are oriented more on the search for one's own power, than giving it off to inorganic; lower beigns, it is because it tend to create an externalized bound to power and possibility of one's own possibilites, every seer gets into interactions with inorganic beigns throughout his whole life, but utilizing this kind of connection to the power leads to decentralisation of ones own awareness and that tend to create gasps in it, when sorcerer is fully his own the awareness is complete and fully able to dream within the circumstances of one's own power without need to validate externally or internally the process happening, and thus unlocking the reservoir of the primordinal ever-dreaming self and te world created around the recognisition of centralised dream, the core, heart, free spirit we all truly are.
I didn't know you were recently voted as the president of the new seers! Congrats on that. Me being a new seer would not have voted for you as I enjoy speaking for myself.

Inorganics are not lower beings. It just goes to show how self-important you truly are. They are actually very advanced in many ways, at least some of them are.  Its very difficult to travel in dreams gaining awareness and not run across inorganic beings in some form or another. They are a race of beings that populate our dreams. To make enemies of them is a very bad thing.

It is also very possible for a warrior to dream with inorganics, receive their power and still remain in your own awareness. You have to get the to teach you how to do things, as opposed to getting them to do things for you all the time. Some of these beings are masters of reality and dreams, master projectionists. Masters of awareness. Their culture has been mastering dreams for countless ages. My working with them has been exceptional. They have taught me things i would have probably never found on my own, because they know it already, and can teach it. The miracles I have found working with inorganic beings have been wonderful.

We are not the only awareness out there, and there are many cultures of inorganic life out there, to debase them all is an error in judgement. It is best to susend judgement of inroganic beings and treat them as you would a new person, someone you are not aware of. Some are very good and benificial and some are not, jsut like life everywhere. You should leave your judgements and prejudice at the door when dealing with them, and let them be as they naturally are

Another thing to mention, regarding don Juan's teachings. Inorgaincs are a necessary part of dreaming. We need them for the energy they possess, the dark energy of dreaming. It comes from their realm. SO go ahead and avoid them, call them all lower beings, and call them useless, and see what type pf energy you gain from them.

[NagualHuman]

Both are viable way, and knowing of both paths I can go, I think make me more wise.

It was described in many publications of many sorcerers and toltecs and mainly Don Juan that the Warriors who strive for Third Attention gave off using inorganic beigns, because it tends to lead to the obsession for control.

[Guest]