Flyers & Haunted places

[Tornadotron]

I always like to watch shows that deal with haunted places and something caught my interest last night in one of the cases where an old house was haunted.
A girl woke in the middle of the night and she was going to the bathroom and she saw a pair of red eyes, glowing in the dark looking at her. (she was still in her roon) This just freaked her out and she woke up the other girls that were in the room with her (there were about 2 or 3 more girls in the room) and they all too saw these glowing red eyes which then just freaked all of them out.
This particular cause caught my interest because a mature flyer is described as having a pair of red glowing eyes in the dark and what these girls saw in the haunted house, seems to describe just that a mature flyer.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Art copying real life...just like the monster under the bed.

[porcelaina]

Enlighten me...
Mature Flyers?

[Tornadotron]

Flyers are these entities that feed on our awareness, they are essentially parasites and are everywhere, and we are basically food to them because they attach themselves to us, and they cause us to focus our attention on our self-importance. They also enslave us with evil thoughts and anomalous behavior. (it acts like a distraction; thus making us and keeping us as a food source) They have an effect on our mind because not all our thoughts are our thoughts. Theyre called "flyers" because when they are seen, (outside the body) they often appear as black shadows flying around. When they are mature, they then apparently have red eyes.
There was an example given here on the board about how a serial killer is pure FI because when you closely look at the eyes of a serial killer, you can see the flyer inside of him, you can also see the flyer in the eyes of the people around you as well, if you look closely.
However, a person can refuse being food for the flyer(s) and they will leave.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Couldn't have said it better myself.I see your enlightened
Tornadotron, good to have you aboard.Welcome to Sorex. The Lone Wolf

[1alice]

i work with a man who has been having a lot of personal turmoil in his life recently, caused mainly by his own poor choices. he has begun to let slip his mask of sanity more than a little and ppl have begun to notice and avoid him. i got caught in an exchange with him a couple of weeks ago and, oh yeah, you can see his most clearly in his eyes.
i think its perfectly fitting that the most wonderful and *alive* ppl have a similar look in their eyes, not the same but not that usual dull and suppressed look most ppl have. that duality/nonduality rule in application again...

[porcelaina]

thank you for the explaination...
I have had alot of negative energy lately.
It has caused me to do and say some bad things.
I do not blame this on the flyers, but if it were,
how do i rid them of my life?

[Guest]

hey porcelaina,
give yourself 15 minutes a day.
do the energy exercises here descibed.
watch the negative emotions melt off.
i am not kidding.
jed

[Gandalf the Younger NROR]

Flyers & Hauntings & Bears....OH MY!
Flyers and Hauntings and Bears....OH MY!!
Flyers & Hauntings and Bears......


...OH MY!!!

[Tornadotron]

Hello porcelaina;
To get rid of the flyers one simply has to resist them, to will them away.
From my own personal experience, it is self-importance that has been the key. I remember a time when I was angry, depressed, was full of self-pity and always had excuses for myself, so mush of that went away when my self-importance started to fade away. (Im still working on that however) I now think back to my old ways and see how stupid I was. Little did I realize that I had the power to end it just like that but I was the one that refused to and kept on wallowing in that state.
You mentioned a while back how you wanted to seek revenge. I remember when I was angry and how I wanted to seek revenge on those that hurt me because I went through hell in this. I saw all those people as having had destroyed me and the innocent child in me. I didnt want to hurt these people physically, I wanted to gain money, power and fame to get back at all of them, I wanted to show that Im better then them and laugh in their faces. To make a long story short, I eventually let go of it, I let go of my past and stopped seeing everything in my life as either a win or a loss. When I lost so much of my self-importance, I stopped being so angry. And the truth is, all that revenge I would seek would be as empty as those who hurt me, its as if they had dragged me down to their level. After all, what would I have really accomplished with that victory? When I let go of my personal past, all the negative things that happened just dont seem to matter and I made the choice to not allow it to affect me any longer, for it cant unless the person allows it to.
But also, all those who hurt others and do evil unto others, will eventually get whats coming to them. Ive seen and watched the world and those who follow that path, it all comes back to them. What your ex-boyfriend did and the way he was and if he keeps going on that path, it will all come back to him one day. But with me however, it doesnt matter really matter anymore about those people that hurt me, I dont seek any negative on them anymore, what they did to me does not matter to me anymore, I actually hope they change or have changed.
Like you, I also have negative energy but what else Ive done is that when I see negative behavior in myself coming on, or if it slips out, I simply stop it and wont allow it. I simply wont allow the flyer to have control or be in control. Its like not taking what theyre offering. Willing them away.

[Tornadotron]

Oh My!

[Tornadotron]

Hello Nagual LoneWolf;
Thank you very much for the warm welcome.

[Tornadotron]

i work with a man who has been having a lot of personal turmoil in his life recently, caused mainly by his own poor choices. he has begun to let slip his mask of sanity more than a little and ppl have begun to notice and avoid him. i got caught in an exchange with him a couple of weeks ago and, oh yeah, you can see his most clearly in his eyes.
i think its perfectly fitting that the most wonderful and *alive* ppl have a similar look in their eyes, not the same but not that usual dull and suppressed look most ppl have. that duality/nonduality rule in application again...
I remember a long long time ago one night when I looked at myself in the mirror and I just freaked myself out, I got scared at my own image that I saw. At the time, I thought that it was just my imagination running wild or something but now, I would not be so sure. I saw in my own eyes, something that was not me, saw the flyer(s) in me, I saw it in my own eyes.
But like you, I too have noticed the same.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

The stranger can be seen easiest by the one it inhabits.

[porcelaina]

You are all right.
I find when i change my mindset from negative and regefull, to positive and peaceful, i feel better and i have changed my environment around me.
I notice , that people act differently, things start to turn i favor of me...just great things.
I will not allow flyer, revenge or any negative energy engulf me.
I am still young,have alot of heartbreak, and anger to seek out....but this time, it will all be in my favor regardless...as we live in a world inhabited by bad news and disappointment...
as above so below,
we will live in peace ,love and harmony if we allow ourselves.
As the eyes begin to open,
i can see the light.

[Guest]

i had a dream b4 , that we were all on a school trip and we had this quiz to answer, one of the questions was 'what is a bable?' i recal hearing somewher that it is some type of fish ,so thats what i wrote, when we were given the answers i was told that 'a bable is a daemond that appears in the mirror' instantly i had a vision of looking into my hall mirror and seeing a pair of malicious yeelow eyes, i dont know why this scared me soo much but i do now, it was a flyer, intoducing itself, i belive that the same flyer is the presence in all my nightmares, it threatens to take me over, to hurt my freinds and family (it can feed from them throught me) and i know it feeds from fear,in fact it is right now, im shuddering as if i was cold, and ive been trying to calm my self for ages, im at a point where its stronger than me, but it doesnt take over me, and i dont know why, maybes im more usefull as a seasonal feast rather than a constant stream of fule. i remeber i used to have a stream of nightmares starting on the first day of a certain month and have about 50 or so nightmares each night, i havent had a nightmare since i confronted it, but i think when i do it will have changed some how, i know whta it is now and i cant use that to scare me , so its gonna have to induce fear in some other way, its going to be interesting to say the least."she who walks with three shadows"

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Bable? Never heard of that before.

[Guest]

Hello Nagual, do you remember me? :-)



I am interested to this argument and I have some question. Of course I do not pretend to receive necessarily answers, as they are my doubts and reasoning of this argument.



1) How many flyers can be attached to someone?

2) CC (don juan in reallity) reported that they can be seen, in specific conditions (differently from other energetics kind of consciousness). Does it measn that they are in part manifested into the material realms as we perceive it? is it a condition derived from their own parasiting us or their innate condition?

3) as it seems that they gave us thier own mind, I wonder if where do they come from, have they left a civilisation similar to our ones, based on te same way to exploit resources and devour the environment.

4) if point 3 is correct, should I deduct that what we call "humanity sense" is everything except our inner and true being? Are we in reality the reflection of them? it seems it is.

5) the food chains has always a feedback: Do they are food for something else? the "eagle" i oreesume, but before the eagle?

6) in tensegruty excercises, the most important excercise relates to the body, until neck, but not the head. The forein installation seems to attach itself to the head (have I understood well the matter?) Thus, i wonder, why the head IF what did they do was to fix our attention of the reflection of the self? may the reflection fo the self be indetified (form an energetic point of view of the body) into the head? or is there another element of practical sense for which should they have choosen the hooking of the head?



7) last question, more important for me: Is it possible to interact openly with flyers in dreams? For example to be haunted (or to scartch their bottoms off their own spine with some polite kicks XD)?



these are only few of questions I have and I would like to discuss with you.



Thank you in advance,



regards,



Naga

[Monkey Skull]

These descriptions remind me of the Mothman. Perhaps impending death on a large scale is enough to shift a few individuals into awareness.

[Monkey Skull]

The babel fish was the creature inserted into the ear to translate languages in Hitchhiker's Guide, also the creature used to prove the existance of God.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Ah thanks for the answer Monkey Skull.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

NAGA writes:



1) How many flyers can be attached to someone? ANSWER: One generally but there can be more.



2) CC (don juan in reallity) reported that they can be seen, in specific conditions (differently from other energetics kind of consciousness). Does it measn that they are in part manifested into the material realms as we perceive it? is it a condition derived from their own parasiting us or their innate condition? ANSWER: They can be seen by others while inside their host but for the host to see them they have to leave the host which often happens during dreaming. When they leave the body they revert back to their original shape. For us to meet our double it is done in dreaming as thats when they leave their host.



3) as it seems that they gave us thier own mind, I wonder if where do they come from, have they left a civilisation similar to our ones, based on te same way to exploit resources and devour the environment. ANSWER: They come from this earth and have been here as long as we have been here. They have no civilization (except ours) and interact with each other while inside us.



4) if point 3 is correct, should I deduct that what we call "humanity sense" is everything except our inner and true being? Are we in reality the reflection of them? it seems it is. ANSWER: Yes.



5) the food chains has always a feedback: Do they are food for something else? the "eagle" i oreesume, but before the eagle? ANSWER: They feed on energy when they inhabit a human. Other foods sources I'm not aware of.



6) in tensegruty excercises, the most important excercise relates to the body, until neck, but not the head. The forein installation seems to attach itself to the head (have I understood well the matter?) Thus, i wonder, why the head IF what did they do was to fix our attention of the reflection of the self? may the reflection fo the self be indetified (form an energetic point of view of the body) into the head? or is there another element of practical sense for which should they have choosen the hooking of the head? ANSWER: The head is where the mind exists but they feed on the entire body.



7) last question, more important for me: Is it possible to interact openly with flyers in dreams? For example to be haunted (or to scartch their bottoms off their own spine with some polite kicks XD)? ANSWER: Yes.

[Guest]

Nagual LoneWolf wrote:NAGA writes:



1) How many flyers can be attached to someone? ANSWER: One generally but there can be more.





I've seen them in swarms, with one being attached and the rest just hovering maybe waiting for an opening...

[Guest]

Thank you LOnewolf for your answers.



I have read in CC that they have come form the deep black void. Maybe when you stats that they come formn Earth you mean that they are here since a ver long time?



Although the goal of each of us should be to kick them away from us, I cannot deny that they have been perfect predators and green ecological ones as well XDDD they parasites, it seems, mainly only one species and not everithing come around them. Of course, their fear to remain without food or security has become our ones, and this has guided us to destroy maybe this world. But in the end, I do not think that we could define as guilty them. We are. As we can really do whaterver we want and "we " chose slavery towards our fears.



There are some similarities between voladores and the black dragons reported into the book of Michael Harner: after he had used for the first time Ayauhaska he saw these beings, which came from the deep space and which created life on earth in order to hide from something else. I do not know if they could be seen as the same things, I doubt but it is interesting the common element of the existence within us of foreing...beings...installations in fact....

[glance left]

It's funny/ironic/fascinating and downright fucking creepy that the flyers, themselves, are a big part of the nature of this discussion about them right here



We see directly...all the time...and the flyer's are right there on top of that seeing and spawn ideas from it and then captivate us into the surrogate of seeing..which is thinking about what we see..talking about what we're thinking..once removed...twice removed....thrice removed...layers of obfuscation...house of mirrors....fun house....carny expo.



Course, its really not that bad...cause we can always come back to that fundamental state of seeing...silence...if we can ever be bothered